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Mike
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:39 pm |
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http://www.PetitionOnline.com/NOSSN4ID
if you are military or military related, let's roll!
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:43 pm |
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'Signature' #7 B8756XX
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Mike
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:47 pm |
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And if you have military related friends or family, send the petition link by email.
And by the way, if anyone objects to me hijacking my own web site, please know that thing SSN on military docs comes up in in many states - where gun dealers or police insist on copying the ID or SSN when presented for various gun related - of the police want an unredacted DD Form 214, etc.
I hope John does not ban me
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rodbender
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 11:49 pm |
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Mike wrote: And if you have military related friends or family, send the petition link by email.
And by the way, if anyone objects to me hijacking my own web site, please know that thing SSN on military docs comes up in in many states - where gun dealers or police insist on copying the ID or SSN when presented for various gun related - of the police want an unredacted DD Form 214, etc.
I hope John does not ban me
#11
Never in the military but I vote every chance I get.
Hope it was OK to sign.
Mike, I don't think you have a lot to worry about.
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lukeshort
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 12:23 am |
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#13. We just had a discussion about this in my unit. It does seem absurd to hand over such information to foreign troops, especially non friendly, if ever the situation arose. But these day’s we are not even fighting legitimate troops, but people just as cunning and determined to destroy Americans and the west in general, without honor, be them uniformed or not.
I personally would like to see SS#’s stopped being used as an ID for all Americans. But I suppose we can start with the uniformed services and then help our cousins in the real world. I know more than a few service members that are willing to sign this. Believe me they will hear about this.
Who’s idea was it to use socials for ID< did it just melt into that like so many other customs we seem to have with our legal sysytem?
Last edited on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 12:25 am by lukeshort
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rodbender
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 01:01 am |
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lukeshort wrote: Who’s idea was it to use socials for ID< did it just melt into that like so many other customs we seem to have with our legal sysytem?
I don't know how it emerged into an I.D. #. but when I got mine 40 years ago, on the back, the first thing it said was "Not for identification purposes" now it says "Do not laminate". What a difference.
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lukeshort
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 03:29 am |
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rodbender wrote: lukeshort wrote: Who’s idea was it to use socials for ID< did it just melt into that like so many other customs we seem to have with our legal sysytem?
I don't know how it emerged into an I.D. #. but when I got mine 40 years ago, on the back, the first thing it said was "Not for identification purposes" now it says "Do not laminate". What a difference.
The times have changed, and not for the better. I feel like a numbered member in a herd of livestock sometimes. Moooooo!
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rodbender
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 03:41 am |
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lukeshort wrote: rodbender wrote: lukeshort wrote: Who’s idea was it to use socials for ID< did it just melt into that like so many other customs we seem to have with our legal sysytem?
I don't know how it emerged into an I.D. #. but when I got mine 40 years ago, on the back, the first thing it said was "Not for identification purposes" now it says "Do not laminate". What a difference.
The times have changed, and not for the better. I feel like a numbered member in a herd of livestock sometimes. Moooooo!
Baaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaa
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TheMrMitch
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 03:51 am |
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# 15 ..USMC 
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JoeSparky
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 09:39 am |
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I signed...
Never in the Military but a son in NOW in the AirForce.
JoeSparky
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tracylaud83
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 09:50 am |
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#17
Let's go guys.....
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Thundar
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 02:14 pm |
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Don't worry about the ssn link to firearms transactions. Real ID requires a ssn and BATFE will require Real ID for firearms transactions. Scary.
The use of electronic records instead of bound books for dealers is another bad omen.
As a vet I think military ssn privacy would be good thing. Problem is ssn privacy for anybody is being totally preempted by Real ID.
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Legba
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 02:31 pm |
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Dealers still have to keep printed "bound books" even if they use the e-4473 filing, and approved transactions result in the destruction of buyer information from what electronic records are created (we don't e-file for that reason - it's just a duplication of effort for us). Also, military IDs aren't by themselves sufficient to get a gun (neither is a passport, because neither establishes a state of residence). Further, giving your SS# on a 4473 is optional, so I don't see the problem, apart from giving your SS# to your captors, if it somes to that.
-ljpLast edited on Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 02:33 pm by Legba
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Curries103
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 04:38 pm |
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| #25 Keep it going!
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JimmyD8681
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 12:32 pm |
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Mike
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:54 pm |
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| Folks - can you spread this petition to the military replaetd blogs and lists you have?
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Eagle Eye
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:58 pm |
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#31. 
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N00blet45
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 04:03 pm |
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#32
I've always thought it kind of stupid. If I'm capture I'm supposed to give out my ID number, which is my SSN. So now I'm giving my SSN to terrorists? I hate SS altogether so a little step to remove it from daily life is better than the opposite.
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Sea_Chicken
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 04:34 pm |
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| It pisses me off how my ssn floats freely all over my command on just about every piece of paper you can imagine half of them with my name next to it.
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Jim675
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 11:12 pm |
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#43, I thought this should stop 13 years ago when I got out. Good luck to you, ladies and gentlemen.
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