| Author | Post |
|---|
Felid`Maximus
Activist Member
| Joined: | Mon Nov 12th, 2007 |
| Location: | Reno, Nevada USA |
| Posts: | 538 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 12:01 am |
|
Factcheck says Obama didn't vote against hunting ammunition, only armor piercing ammunition.
Too bad a lot of "hunting ammunition" is "armor-piercing" by the definition given. Also, if you look at quotes from Obama about things in the past, even if he may not be saying he wants to make sure they are implemented when he is elected, these are things he supported in the past. That doesn't inspire much confidence in me about what he may do when elected since he hasn't come out and said that he was wrong about what he said before.
I don't understand why GOA gives Obama an F but McCain an F-. That is to say "Obama is better for your 2A rights than McCain" Delusional.
Still, despite GOA rating McCain lower than Obama, I think they still would prefer McCain as president. See this article where they praise Palin. http://gunowners.org/pres08/palin.htm Looks like a GOA endorsement of the McCain-Palin ticket over the obama-biden ticket to me. In fact, in this article they point out the Obama is one of the most anti-gun candidates ever.
Last edited on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 12:18 am by Felid`Maximus
|
PrayingForWar
Founder's Club Member
|
Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 05:09 am |
|
I'm a life member of both NRA and GOA. They praise Bob Barr, because they managed to lobby him and change his vote. His first term was abbysmal, WORSE than McCains record, yet because he was 27 of 31 in our favor the second term apparently he's their golden boy. I'm pretty disgusted that they've apparently made no effort to resolve the issue w/ the McCain camp.
We all know who obama is. We know what kind of beliefs he has, even though he flip flops, waffles, or LIES about them. A man running for office who's endorsed by hamas, supported by racists like Farrahklan and Wright, not to mention code pink, PETA and every sort left wing degenerate. Lets not forget Bill Ayers, a man who cried after getting a ring from the Communist Vietnamese government that was made from a shot down US fighter jet, an unrepentant communist bomb thrower. BO can be a A+ rated gun owner for all I care. I will not vote for a man with a list of such despicable associates and supporters.
The problems I have w/ McCain run deep. However I don't see anti American communist acolytes fainting at his speeches. It's his VP pick who I want in office, not him. She'll be next in line, and I don't really expect the 76 Y/O senator to survive a full 4 years in the most stressful job in DC. As inexperienced as she is, she's common folk, and I like her. She'll learn what she needs to know before she takes control.
Attached Image (viewed 138 times):
|
MetalChris
Member
|
Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 05:15 am |
|
marshaul wrote:What we need to do is work to get out of the frying pan, not sit on our asses debating which side of the pan is cooler!
Amen!
|
DEROS72
Member
|
Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 06:28 am |
|
PrayingForWar wrote: I'm a life member of both NRA and GOA. They praise Bob Barr, because they managed to lobby him and change his vote. His first term was abbysmal, WORSE than McCains record, yet because he was 27 of 31 in our favor the second term apparently he's their golden boy. I'm pretty disgusted that they've apparently made no effort to resolve the issue w/ the McCain camp.
We all know who obama is. We know what kind of beliefs he has, even though he flip flops, waffles, or LIES about them. A man running for office who's endorsed by hamas, supported by racists like Farrahklan and Wright, not to mention code pink, PETA and every sort left wing degenerate. Lets not forget Bill Ayers, a man who cried after getting a ring from the Communist Vietnamese government that was made from a shot down US fighter jet, an unrepentant communist bomb thrower. BO can be a A+ rated gun owner for all I care. I will not vote for a man with a list of such despicable associates and supporters.
The problems I have w/ McCain run deep. However I don't see anti American communist acolytes fainting at his speeches. It's his VP pick who I want in office, not him. She'll be next in line, and I don't really expect the 76 Y/O senator to survive a full 4 years in the most stressful job in DC. As inexperienced as she is, she's common folk, and I like her. She'll learn what she needs to know before she takes control.
Thanks thats exactly what I was trying to get across.
|
DEROS72
Member
|
Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 06:28 am |
|
PrayingForWar wrote: I'm a life member of both NRA and GOA. They praise Bob Barr, because they managed to lobby him and change his vote. His first term was abbysmal, WORSE than McCains record, yet because he was 27 of 31 in our favor the second term apparently he's their golden boy. I'm pretty disgusted that they've apparently made no effort to resolve the issue w/ the McCain camp.
We all know who obama is. We know what kind of beliefs he has, even though he flip flops, waffles, or LIES about them. A man running for office who's endorsed by hamas, supported by racists like Farrahklan and Wright, not to mention code pink, PETA and every sort left wing degenerate. Lets not forget Bill Ayers, a man who cried after getting a ring from the Communist Vietnamese government that was made from a shot down US fighter jet, an unrepentant communist bomb thrower. BO can be a A+ rated gun owner for all I care. I will not vote for a man with a list of such despicable associates and supporters.
The problems I have w/ McCain run deep. However I don't see anti American communist acolytes fainting at his speeches. It's his VP pick who I want in office, not him. She'll be next in line, and I don't really expect the 76 Y/O senator to survive a full 4 years in the most stressful job in DC. As inexperienced as she is, she's common folk, and I like her. She'll learn what she needs to know before she takes control.
Thanks thats exactly what I was trying to get across.
|
Prophet
Member
|
Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 07:11 pm |
|
After reading that Factcheck article I have to laugh at the "facts" they are "checking".
Question: Is barack Obama anit gun -
Answer: No
Reasoning: Even though I want to get take away all guns from everybody but those who wear a badge I don't think i politically can with legislation so I will most likely appoint 3 suprem court justices who view the 2nd Amendment as a State right and as such will judicially crush the individuals right. But seeing as I can write a law outlawing it...you can't really say Im against it...right? - (paraphrasing of Barack Obama)
THATS THE SUMMATION OF THEIR FACT CHECKING...give me a break.
Thats like having these guys fact check Hitler in 1944.
Question: Do you want to exterminate the jews.
Answer: The wars tough and there are jews in America and we can never successfully invade the US so I probably won't be able to exterminate all the jews. So that doesnt make me anti jewish right? - Adolf Hitler
What a load of crap. Obama is to guns as Hitler was to jews. Id est, get rid of as many as he can.
|
DEROS72
Member
|
Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 11:24 pm |
|
Dear Newsmax Reader:
John McCain is declining in the polls, especially in key swing states, The National Republican Trust PAC , our sponsor today, has a strategy to help McCain win. Please take a moment to read their message below.
Thank you.
Newsmax.com
Obama’s Radical Agenda Exposed
An Urgent Message from The National Republican Trust PAC
Dear Fellow American:
Never before in the history of our nation have we faced such a grave crisis: one of the most radical political figures ever to be nominated by a major party is just minutes away from becoming President of the United States.
That man is Barack Obama.
He promises to change America forever. If elected, he will do just that — but in ways you make not like.
Remember Obama is the most liberal member of the United States Senate.
He received a 100 percent Liberal Rating from the National Journal, making him the most left-wing Senator in Washington — more liberal than even Democratic senators like Ted Kennedy.
If you look at Obama’s record, you will understand just how dangerous this man is.
He even has terrorist friends he won’t denounce. One such man is William Ayers, a leader in the radical terrorist group the Weatherman Underground. The group bombed several government buildings, including the Pentagon, killing civilians and police officers.
In 2001, Ayers said he had no regrets for his actions and wished he could have done more.
The ties between Obama and Ayers are tight. Both served on two non profit boards and they worked closely together. Ayers even hosted a political event at his home for Obama.
Obama has acknowledged he is a friend of Ayers and defends his association by saying he, Obama, was only 8 years old at the time of the Pentagon bombing.
However, Obama has no explanation as to why he is still a friend of Ayers.
Obama has even been endorsed by radicals such as Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan.
No one can deny hearing about Obama’s relationship with the America-hating Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
There should be little doubt that William Ayers and Louis Farrakhan and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright are rooting for Obama — because he is one of them.
In keeping with such friends, Obama has promised to meet with radical leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without “preconditions” even though Ahmadinejad has promised to “wipe Israel off the map” and “destroy” America.
Even radical Hamas terrorists have praised him.
“We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election,” Ahmed Yousef, senior Hamas leader was quoted by ABC radio as saying.
Help the National Republican Trust PAC tell the truth about Obama – [url=http://news.newsmax.com/?K646.syXRiYAb5upTqHyDhCKnxbkNfU1K&https://secure.yourpatriot.com/ou/tnrt/the_national_republican_trust_/donate.aspx]Go Here Now [/url]
Dangerous Economic Plan
And then there are Obama’s dangerous economic plans for America.
He wants to almost double the capital gains tax. He wants to strip the FICA tax cap off every worker making more than $97,500. He wants to increase the dividend tax. He wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire — giving almost every American family an automatic tax increase.
He has called for more than $800 billion in new spending programs.
He is so radical he even backed driver’s licenses for illegal aliens — even though such a move would help future terrorists move freely in the United States.
He is the most pro-abortion candidate in the history of the country. In 2001, as a state legislator in Illinois, he opposed a bill to protect live born children — children actually born alive! He was the only Illinois senator to speak out against the bill.
He opposes gun rights. He has long history of trying to deny ordinary citizens access to guns.
He originally backed Washington D.C.’s total ban on private handguns — a ban that was overturned. The NRA rated him an “F” on gun positions and says he is one of the most dangerous anti-gun politicians in the nation.
Never forget that Obama is a Harvard educated elitist. To him we Americans are simply “bitter” and he has mocked us saying “[they] cling to their guns and their religion.”
Support the National Republican Trust PAC’s Campaign to Expose Obama – [url=http://news.newsmax.com/?K646.syXRiYAb5upTqHyDhCKnxbkNfU1K&https://secure.yourpatriot.com/ou/tnrt/the_national_republican_trust_/donate.aspx]Go Here Now[/url]
Exposing the Truth
Hillary Clinton was late in recognizing the threat Obama posed to her campaign, but once she did, her strategy worked.
When Hillary exposed Obama publicly, her campaign saw a major turnaround.
Hillary won every major state primary in the nation with the sole exception of Obama’s home state of Illinois.
And even though Obama was “anointed” by the media and Democratic elites, Hillary went on to win eight of the last 10 Democratic primaries.
How did Obama beat Hillary for the nomination?
Well, using a loophole in Democratic rules, he was able to rack up large majorities in caucus states where he outspent and out organized her.
But in large, contested states she won almost every time. Why? Because when Democrats heard what Obama really stood for, they turned on him.
Make no mistake about it: If we let Americans know the truth about Obama, John McCain can win this election!
But we must employ Hillary Clinton’s strategy.
We must expose Obama for the dangerous radical he is.
Send a donation today to help our cause – [url=http://news.newsmax.com/?K646.syXRiYAb5upTqHyDhCKnxbkNfU1K&https://secure.yourpatriot.com/ou/tnrt/the_national_republican_trust_/donate.aspx]Go Here Now[/url]
You Can Make a Difference
This is why the National Republican Trust Political Action Committee is moving to implement a “shock and awe” strategy against Obama in key states.
We plan to take out powerful television ads, Internet ads and other communications to inform Americans about the dangers posed by Barack Obama.
We plan to target key states that can make a difference — [url=http://news.newsmax.com/?K646.syXRiYAb5upTqHyDhCKnxbkNfU1K&https://secure.yourpatriot.com/ou/tnrt/the_national_republican_trust_/donate.aspx]But we need your help to do it[/url].
As a political action committee, we can accept up to $5,000 in donations per contributor.
A $5,000 donation can help us saturate a key market for a full day with television ads.
Stop and think how much Obama may cost you and your family in new taxes over the next four years alone: $50,000, $75,000, $100,000 or even more.
Your donation today may actually save you much more in the years to come.
Thank you.
Yours for America,
Scott Wheeler
Executive Director
|
Richard6218
Member
|
Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 08:03 pm |
|
+1
McCain could clobber Obama if he would only use half the weapons available to him, like the points made in this post. Trouble is, he's too concerned about running a "clean" campaign.
|
Huck
Member
|
Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 10:26 pm |
|
Richard6218 wrote: +1
McCain could clobber Obama if he would only use half the weapons available to him, like the points made in this post. Trouble is, he's too concerned about running a "clean" campaign.
I commend McCain for not wanting to stoop to the mudslinging which has become common practice in elections but telling the truth about your opponent is not mudslinging no matter what the opposition says. Nor is it slander or libel.
|
deepdiver
Activist Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 2nd, 2007 |
| Location: | Missouri USA |
| Posts: | 3862 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 11:23 pm |
|
Huck wrote: Richard6218 wrote: +1
McCain could clobber Obama if he would only use half the weapons available to him, like the points made in this post. Trouble is, he's too concerned about running a "clean" campaign.
I commend McCain for not wanting to stoop to the mudslinging which has become common practice in elections but telling the truth about your opponent is not mudslinging no matter what the opposition says. Nor is it slander or libel.
Unless you live in St. Louis ...
|
Richard6218
Member
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 12:49 am |
|
| Please note that I put quotes around the word "clean". If he ran any kind of campaign like the Gregoire-Rossi race here in Washington he could mop the floor with the guy. (BTW, I've just learned that Rossi is pulling ahead in the polls.)
|
PrayingForWar
Founder's Club Member
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 06:31 am |
|
deepdiver wrote: Huck wrote: Richard6218 wrote: +1
McCain could clobber Obama if he would only use half the weapons available to him, like the points made in this post. Trouble is, he's too concerned about running a "clean" campaign.
I commend McCain for not wanting to stoop to the mudslinging which has become common practice in elections but telling the truth about your opponent is not mudslinging no matter what the opposition says. Nor is it slander or libel.
Unless you live in St. Louis ...
I heard Gov Blunt talking about that to Laura Ingraham. I can't believe an elected official can get away with that. That AG should be thrown out of office, and possibly in prison.
|
Deanimator
Member
| Joined: | Fri Sep 21st, 2007 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 568 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 12:25 pm |
|
Huck wrote: I commend McCain for not wanting to stoop to the mudslinging which has become common practice in elections but telling the truth about your opponent is not mudslinging no matter what the opposition says. Nor is it slander or libel.
"I never gave anybody hell. I told the truth and they thought it was hell." - Harry S. Truman
|
The Donkey
Member
| Joined: | Thu Sep 21st, 2006 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 302 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 03:54 pm |
|
Felid`Maximus wrote: Factcheck says Obama didn't vote against hunting ammunition, only armor piercing ammunition.
Too bad a lot of "hunting ammunition" is "armor-piercing" by the definition given. Also, if you look at quotes from Obama about things in the past, even if he may not be saying he wants to make sure they are implemented when he is elected, these are things he supported in the past. That doesn't inspire much confidence in me about what he may do when elected since he hasn't come out and said that he was wrong about what he said before.
I don't understand why GOA gives Obama an F but McCain an F-. That is to say "Obama is better for your 2A rights than McCain" Delusional.
McCain also voted against so called "armor-piercing" ammunition.
|
DonTreadOnMe
Member
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 04:26 pm |
|
Biden...as anti gun rights as you will fine.
Palin...ia a hunter, an nra lifetime member, and 2A friend.
Hmmm.....which choice shows a love of a hate of the second amendment?
Voting for Obama/Biden is voting against the second amendment.
Piss on gun grabbers and those that are apologists for them.
|
The Donkey
Member
| Joined: | Thu Sep 21st, 2006 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 302 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 04:56 pm |
|
"And if the real thing won't do the trick;
You'd better make up something quick;
You're gonna burn, burn, burn, burn, burn it to the wick;
Barracuda."
Sarah Palin's theme
Heart
|
.40 Cal
State Researcher
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 05:49 pm |
|
I'm surprised the Dukester hasn't chimed in...
|
PrayingForWar
Founder's Club Member
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 07:53 pm |
|
.40 Cal wrote: I'm surprised the Dukester hasn't chimed in...
Let's not encourage him. If we need communist propagana we can get it from the daily kos.
|
Deanimator
Member
| Joined: | Fri Sep 21st, 2007 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 568 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 09:38 pm |
|
The Donkey wrote: Felid`Maximus wrote: Factcheck says Obama didn't vote against hunting ammunition, only armor piercing ammunition.
Too bad a lot of "hunting ammunition" is "armor-piercing" by the definition given. Also, if you look at quotes from Obama about things in the past, even if he may not be saying he wants to make sure they are implemented when he is elected, these are things he supported in the past. That doesn't inspire much confidence in me about what he may do when elected since he hasn't come out and said that he was wrong about what he said before.
I don't understand why GOA gives Obama an F but McCain an F-. That is to say "Obama is better for your 2A rights than McCain" Delusional.
McCain also voted against so called "armor-piercing" ammunition.
I don't like McCain, and would prefer a different candidate, particularly on 2nd Amendment issues.
That having been said, tell me again when McCain came out for a BAN on handguns AND concealed carry?
It's like you're trying to get me to vote for Scott Peterson instead of Alec Baldwin because Baldwin YELLED AT his wife.
|
The Donkey
Member
| Joined: | Thu Sep 21st, 2006 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 302 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 10:44 pm |
|
One reason I oppose John McCain is his position on conservation.
While the NRA may be the strongest pro-gun organization, I think that they have done a major disservice to their hunter and sportsmen members by leaving outdoors issues entirely out of their calculus in the Presidential election.
This is what the LCV has to say about John McCain:
"While the League of Conservation Voters recognizes Sen. John McCain is a candidate who is willing to engage in discussions on global warming, energy, and the environment, he repeatedly clings to outdated policies and flip-flops on core environmental issues. In his 25 years in Congress, McCain has faced 294 crucial environmental votes and he voted in favor of the environment only 71 times -- earning a lifetime score from LCV of just 24 percent.
In 2007, Sen. McCain scored 0 percent, due to missing all 15 votes scored, including the key vote on repealing tax giveaways to Big Oil -- a measure that failed by just one vote.1 This year, instead of exerting leadership on the key energy challenges facing the nation, Sen. McCain has offered a series of harmful policy proposals recycled from the Bush administration including an massive expansion of offshore drilling and major tax breaks for oil companies.2
McCain has rejected even the weakest renewable energy programs. Sen. McCain voted against giving increased funding to solar and renewable energy programs in 1994 and 1999.3 In 2005, he voted against a national renewable electricity standard (RES) that would have required utilities to get 10 percent of their electricity from alternative energy.4 Last year, he missed all of the renewable electricity votes.5 Sen. McCain supports giving billions of dollars in subsidies to the nuclear industry while actively opposing similar support for wind and solar energy.6 Renewable energy must be an essential part of any global warming plan, yet Sen. McCain has stood in the way of such progress throughout his career.7
McCain has blown many opportunities to improve fuel efficiency standards. Although increasing the fuel efficiency of vehicles would decrease our dependence on foreign oil and help consumers save money at the pump, Sen. McCain has repeatedly voted against raising efficiency standards.8 Even today, with record oil and gas prices, Sen. McCain still opposes setting a specific target for an increase in fuel efficiency standards.9 Further, Sen. McCain has proposed extending the Bush administration’s policy of rewarding Big Oil, even at a time when they are enjoying record profits, by proposing $3.8 billion in new tax breaks to oil companies.10
Despite early leadership on global warming, McCain’s policies fall short of what science shows is necessary. The international scientific consensus indicates that the U.S., along with other developed nations, must reduce emissions at least 80 percent by 2050 to have any chance of averting the worst impacts of climate change. Sen. McCain, like President Bush, supports measures that fall far short of where the science says we need to be.11
McCain and Bush do oil company bidding. Even though in May, Sen. McCain said drilling off our coasts and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge will do nothing to lower gas prices, just six weeks later he decided to pander to oil companies and called for drilling off our protected coasts.12 Fellow Republican, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, said: “Anyone who tells you that this will bring down our gas prices immediately or any time soon is blowing smoke. America is so addicted to oil it will take us years to wean ourselves from it and to look for new ways to feed our addiction is not the answer.”13
McCain insists nuclear energy is a safe form of clean energy—as a long as it’s not in his backyard. Sen. McCain has adamantly expressed his support for storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain.14 However, when asked in an interview if he would be comfortable with nuclear waste traveling through Arizona to get to Yucca Mountain, he responded, “No, I would not.”15
McCain’s support for tax breaks to Big Oil and nuclear show disdain for renewables. Sen. McCain has failed to vote for opportunities to repeal at least $13 billion in subsidies for Big Oil implemented by Bush-Cheney, including a 2007 version to create a clean energy fund that failed by just one vote.16 His tax plan would generate an additional $3.8 billion in tax breaks for the five largest oil companies.17 He supports increasing massive subsidies for the nuclear power industry.18 He opposes any tax breaks for wind, solar and other forms of clean energy.19
McCain opposes major efforts to protect clean water. In Congress, Sen. McCain cast 10 votes against clean water, including against drinking water protection and enforcement, controlling microbes in water, and funds for water pollution control, and in favor of delaying funds for leaking underground storage tanks and allowing municipalities to set their own standards for toxic waste.20
For footnote citations, please visit http://www.lcv.org/footnotes/mccain.html"
|
Current time is 11:10 pm | Page:   1 2 3 4 5 6 7   |
|
|
|
