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mvpel
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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The New Hampshire Democrats are about to ramrod a quintupling of the fee for a non-resident license to carry, from $20 for four years to $100 for four years as of July 1, 2009, two weeks from tomorrow. We're trying to block it, but it's not looking promising given the 800,000 dollar signs in their eyes.
You should send in the application (attached below or available on the NH State Police website) to apply or renew as soon as possible and save $80. All that's required besides the form is a front & back copy of a concealed carry license from any other state. You can use me as one of your three references if you like.
One thing that they don't mention on the back of the form, which they're required to, is that they have a 14-day deadline to either issue or deny the license. Gun Owners of New Hampshire and our attorney, Penny Dean, are looking for a "clean" nonresident plaintiff willing to help us sue the Division of State Police under the statutory provisions for violation of that part of the law. If you're interested, send in the application certified mail, return receipt requested; keep a copy of your application; and get in touch with penny@pennydean.com.
Be sure to tell everyone you know that if they want to apply or renew, they should apply or renew NOW.
Let's make sure that the Democrats' effort to soak non-resident gun owners for the Democrat spending spree backfires.
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RayBurton72
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 10:13 pm |
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| Guess they are about to learn that the biggest reason to get the NH non-res is that is was only $20.
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TFred
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 12:27 am |
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Other than carrying in New Hampshire itself, it doesn't appear that having a NH non-resident permit gains you anything over a Utah non-resident permit. Is that correct?
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mvpel
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 03:47 am |
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Regardless of the current reciprocity structure or any changes to it over the next four years, the basic point here is that if you think you might want to get a New Hampshire non-resident at any time in the next four years or so, you should get it before July 1, 2009.
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TFred
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 04:01 am |
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mvpel wrote: Regardless of the current reciprocity structure or any changes to it over the next four years, the basic point here is that if you think you might want to get a New Hampshire non-resident at any time in the next four years or so, you should get it before July 1, 2009.
Gotcha, and I do appreciate the post. I was just trying to determine whether or not I "think I might want to get a New Hampshire non-resident [permit] at any time in the next four years or so". 
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mvpel
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 04:19 am |
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Basically New Hampshire's reciprocity policy is that we recognize any state's license that recognizes ours. We don't have training, photos, or fingerprint requirements, which precludes some states from recognizing ours, and thus vice versa.
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deepdiver
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 09:04 am |
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That's quite the increase! The only thing I gain with a NH permit is CC in Wyoming where OC isn't a big deal and I don't have any immediate plans to visit. I sent in my application back in April (still waiting) as for $20 it was worth it just to have it in case I needed it. I don't think it would be worth it to me for $100 so I don't see my renewing it in 4 years.
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ijusam
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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 11:27 am |
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from the NH laws:
TITLE XII
PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE CHAPTER 159
PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS Section 159:8-a 159:8-a Sales to Nonresidents; Attorney General. – No person holding a license issued under the provisions of RSA 159:8 shall sell a pistol or revolver to a nonresident unless such nonresident has authority under the laws of the state of his residence, to purchase a pistol or revolver in the state of his residence, or unless the director of the division of state police, for good cause shown, has issued to such nonresident a permit for the purchase of a pistol or revolver. The attorney general shall, at least once annually, file with the secretary of state a summary of the laws of each state of the United States relative to the purchase of pistols and revolvers in such states; and a licensee may rely upon such summary in determining if a nonresident offering to purchase a pistol or revolver has authority to make such purchase under the laws of the state of his residence. Source. 1967, 220:6, eff. Aug. 21, 1967.
is this saying that a non resident can buy a handgun in NH without going through your homestate ffl?
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KBCraig
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Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 07:00 am |
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ijusam wrote: from the NH laws:
TITLE XII
PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE CHAPTER 159
PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS Section 159:8-a 159:8-a Sales to Nonresidents; Attorney General. – No person holding a license issued under the provisions of RSA 159:8 shall sell a pistol or revolver to a nonresident unless such nonresident has authority under the laws of the state of his residence, to purchase a pistol or revolver in the state of his residence, or unless the director of the division of state police, for good cause shown, has issued to such nonresident a permit for the purchase of a pistol or revolver. The attorney general shall, at least once annually, file with the secretary of state a summary of the laws of each state of the United States relative to the purchase of pistols and revolvers in such states; and a licensee may rely upon such summary in determining if a nonresident offering to purchase a pistol or revolver has authority to make such purchase under the laws of the state of his residence. Source. 1967, 220:6, eff. Aug. 21, 1967.
is this saying that a non resident can buy a handgun in NH without going through your homestate ffl?
Note the effective date: 1967.
This does not override the Gun Control Act of 1968, which was the first federal law establishing dealer licensing and restricting interstate sales. If GCA'68 were repealed or modified to allow interstate sales between non-dealers, NH law would only allow such a sale if the out-of-state recipient had a NH license.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 02:07 am |
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| I'm a VA resident with a current, valid, VA CC license. Last year I applied for the NH non-resident CC license and received it even though there is no reciproicity between VA and NH. I've recently used the NH non-resident CC license to carry in GA, a state that has resiprocity with NH, but not with VA. Hope I was legal. What an odd set of convoluted laws!
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Nutczak
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 06:11 pm |
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lets see if I understand this correctly, NH will only issue a non-resident permit for people that already have a resident concealed carry permit from another state??
I am from WI, (one of the last 2 states that have zero concealed carry) It causes me problems in MI, because MI has Open-Carry legal for it's residents without any permitting or licensing. it allows both open and concealed carry for non-residents with valid CC permits from their home state.
But I cannot legally carry in MI becuase my state does not have any CC permitting process and they do not accept non-resident licenses from any other state.
I feel it is a waste of money for me to get non-resident carry permits for states that I will most likely never visit. Especially if they are null and void for carrying in other states due to the reciprocity clause ststing they only accept resident permits.
So if I am up in the vast wilderness areas in upper Michigan or in Detroit. I cannot legaly carry a firearm to protect myself from anything.
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Michigander
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Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:08 pm |
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Nutczak wrote: So if I am up in the vast wilderness areas in upper Michigan or in Detroit. I cannot legaly carry a firearm to protect myself from anything.
Couldn't you carry long guns?
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mvpel
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 02:12 am |
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Thanks to Rep. Elbert Bicknell, former President of Gun Owners of New Hampshire and former member of the Joint Legislative Committee on Administrative Rules, the "other state" license to carry need not be from your state of residence.
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ijusam
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 05:14 am |
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mvpel wrote: ...and get in touch with penny@pennydean.com.
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Why get in touch with Penny?
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mvpel
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 02:49 am |
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Penny is the volunteer attorney for Gun Owners of New Hampshire, and is accustomed to taking misbehaving law-enforcement officials to task over firearms issues. She has a plan of action for addressing the failure of the State Police to comply with the 14-day deadline for issuing non-resident licenses, she just needs someone with legal standing (who applied but can legally prove they didn't get the license within the 14-day deadline) who's also willing to volunteer to do some of the legwork to move the case forward, to the benefit of gun owners all across the country.
Last edited on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 02:51 am by mvpel
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deepdiver
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 03:18 am |
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Unfortunately I did not send my application certified mail return receipt so I cannot prove when I sent it or when they received it.
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