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Nutczak
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 09:04 pm |
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Grapeshot wrote: A government that is large enough to provide for all your needs is also large enough to take it all away!
Yata hey
Grapey, I fixed it for you
Yah Hey! <yooper dialect
(no offense is meant to the OCDO member that use the name Yooper, we all speak that way in the snow-belt of the upper midwest)
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Virginiaplanter
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:46 pm |
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Now is the perfect time for the US to invade Switzerland and claim it as the 51st state. We get all their good chocolate and what are the Swiss going to do about it? They can't shoot us, and their Swiss army knives have wine bottle openers on them. That's the kind of "Army" knife you get from a country that doesn't fight in wars and is neutered, I mean Neutral.
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wrightme
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:24 am |
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From the other thread he started about this same topic......
Rogue9er wrote: Just talked to a Swiss guy about this. Apparently, they're just moving most of the government issued ammo to something like a base or the town hall. Private ammo and sales are not affected.
Also, it's two years old.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 02:47 am |
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Nutczak wrote: Grapeshot wrote: A government that is large enough to provide for all your needs is also large enough to take it all away!
Yata hey
Grapey, I fixed it for you
Yah Hey! <yooper dialect
(no offense is meant to the OCDO member that use the name Yooper, we all speak that way in the snow-belt of the upper midwest)
Nah, you didn't fix it, you changed it, but close enough to not worry about.
I'm familiar with the UP - hardy bunch of souls in the extreme northern parts.
Yata hey
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paramedic70002
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 03:05 pm |
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Virginiaplanter wrote:
Now is the perfect time for the US to invade Switzerland and claim it as the 51st state. We get all their good chocolate and what are the Swiss going to do about it? They can't shoot us, and their Swiss army knives have wine bottle openers on them. That's the kind of "Army" knife you get from a country that doesn't fight in wars and is neutered, I mean Neutral.
Neutrality has it's upside. I don't recall terrorists attacking the Swiss recently. There's nothing wrong with taking care of the home front and letting the rest of the world alone. When the USA was still wet behind the ears, Washington and Co. refused to assist various European powers in their petty squabbles. The USA was doing just fine until we decided to be a world player, it's been downhill ever since.
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 05:53 am |
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paramedic70002 wrote: Virginiaplanter wrote:
Now is the perfect time for the US to invade Switzerland and claim it as the 51st state. We get all their good chocolate and what are the Swiss going to do about it? They can't shoot us, and their Swiss army knives have wine bottle openers on them. That's the kind of "Army" knife you get from a country that doesn't fight in wars and is neutered, I mean Neutral.
Neutrality has it's upside. I don't recall terrorists attacking the Swiss recently. There's nothing wrong with taking care of the home front and letting the rest of the world alone. When the USA was still wet behind the ears, Washington and Co. refused to assist various European powers in their petty squabbles. The USA was doing just fine until we decided to be a world player, it's been downhill ever since.
I've never understood the mentality of someone who thinks that staying out of trouble and minding your own business makes you a coward.
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marshaul
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 09:18 am |
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Tomahawk wrote:
paramedic70002 wrote: Virginiaplanter wrote:
Now is the perfect time for the US to invade Switzerland and claim it as the 51st state. We get all their good chocolate and what are the Swiss going to do about it? They can't shoot us, and their Swiss army knives have wine bottle openers on them. That's the kind of "Army" knife you get from a country that doesn't fight in wars and is neutered, I mean Neutral.
Neutrality has it's upside. I don't recall terrorists attacking the Swiss recently. There's nothing wrong with taking care of the home front and letting the rest of the world alone. When the USA was still wet behind the ears, Washington and Co. refused to assist various European powers in their petty squabbles. The USA was doing just fine until we decided to be a world player, it's been downhill ever since.
I've never understood the mentality of someone who thinks that staying out of trouble and minding your own business makes you a coward.
I agree.
To be honest, I probably would do something to stop a horrible crime if I felt it was within my power.
But, I really don't plan for such unlikely events. And, I avoid getting involved in other's business.
At any rate, the analogy to neutrality is a good one, and it underlines my suggestion that this "sheepdog" mentality is a front for the statist/interventionist philosophy, which is fundamentally incompatible with liberty, I might add.
There's nothing wrong with helping people, and there's nothing wrong with professions which entail helping people (actual security, public or private, fire, what have you), but this "we need to look out for the sheep" mentality is proto-statist to the max.
I don't want to see people hurt if I can easily stop it, but I also don't want to play bodyguard to a bunch of free Americans who should be taking care of their own defense.
Only nanny-tyrants think otherwise.
Edit: OK, I just made that post thinking this was the latest "Sheepdog" thread. I'm going to leave it for it's own sake.
I think I need to stop posting tonight. Too much brew!  Last edited on Sat Nov 7th, 2009 09:22 am by marshaul
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:01 pm |
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marshaul wrote: Edit: OK, I just made that post thinking this was the latest "Sheepdog" thread. I'm going to leave it for it's own sake.
I think I need to stop posting tonight. Too much brew!
It's okay, it still applies, and it's still true.
Too many people think of the US as the "World's Sheepdog". And your analysis of the "sheepdog mentality" is spot on.
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paramedic70002
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 02:51 am |
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| On a more personal level, I am not everyone's protector, but it offends me to see a predator at work. I am conflicted in this regard.
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heliopolissolutions
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 05:38 am |
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Oy blagoy.
All ribbing aside, I most emphatically would not want to be the guy leading the charge to invade Switzerland.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 02:13 pm |
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Tomahawk wrote: I've never understood the mentality of someone who thinks that staying out of trouble and minding your own business makes you a coward.
On the other hand isolationism didn't work either.
Yata hey
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 03:13 pm |
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Grapeshot wrote: Tomahawk wrote: I've never understood the mentality of someone who thinks that staying out of trouble and minding your own business makes you a coward.
On the other hand isolationism didn't work either.
Yata hey
No, but as Switzerland has shown, noninterventionism can work quite well. The only place they send troops to is the Vatican, and they remain quite secure. I don't see anyone flying planes into skyscrapers in Geneva.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 07:35 pm |
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Tomahawk wrote: Grapeshot wrote: Tomahawk wrote: I've never understood the mentality of someone who thinks that staying out of trouble and minding your own business makes you a coward.
On the other hand isolationism didn't work either.
Yata hey
No, but as Switzerland has shown, noninterventionism can work quite well. The only place they send troops to is the Vatican, and they remain quite secure. I don't see anyone flying planes into skyscrapers in Geneva.
Is true for now. They occupy a unique niche in the world and any potential enemy could simply choose to ignore them. That and they are already surrounded/contained. Conventional warfare methods would be the least of their worries if someone targeted them
Yata hey
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 12:57 am |
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Grapeshot wrote: Tomahawk wrote: Grapeshot wrote: Tomahawk wrote: I've never understood the mentality of someone who thinks that staying out of trouble and minding your own business makes you a coward.
On the other hand isolationism didn't work either.
Yata hey
No, but as Switzerland has shown, noninterventionism can work quite well. The only place they send troops to is the Vatican, and they remain quite secure. I don't see anyone flying planes into skyscrapers in Geneva.
Is true for now. They occupy a unique niche in the world and any potential enemy could simply choose to ignore them. That and they are already surrounded/contained. Conventional warfare methods would be the least of their worries if someone targeted them
Yata hey
Yes, well, the best way to win a fight is to not get into one in the first place. "Plan A"
While quietly preparing to defend yourself (plan B) in case plan A fails.
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Citizen
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 01:03 am |
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Tomahawk wrote: SNIP I don't see anyone flying planes into skyscrapers in Geneva.
Heh, heh, heh. Only because the fur-pants boys with rags on their heads haven't figured out that one of the real powers is based in Basel--The Bank for International Settlements (the central bankers' bank).
Of course, Washington DC would go on their list again since the International Monetary Fund is headquarted in DC.
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 01:42 am |
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| The drones shooting missiles at weddings in Pakistan and Afghanistan don't have "IMF" painted on the sides.
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Citizen
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 01:46 am |
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Tomahawk wrote: The drones shooting missiles at weddings in Pakistan and Afghanistan don't have "IMF" painted on the sides.
Good point. We need to make the connection for them, no? (joke)
Maybe we could get a law through Congress that all US explosive ordnance must bear the words, "Financed By the Federal Reserve."
(joke, folks.)
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marshaul
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 05:44 am |
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Tomahawk wrote:
Grapeshot wrote: Tomahawk wrote: I've never understood the mentality of someone who thinks that staying out of trouble and minding your own business makes you a coward.
On the other hand isolationism didn't work either.
Yata hey
No, but as Switzerland has shown, noninterventionism can work quite well. The only place they send troops to is the Vatican, and they remain quite secure. I don't see anyone flying planes into skyscrapers in Geneva.
+1
I'm not quite sure whence comes the eager conflation...Last edited on Mon Nov 9th, 2009 05:46 am by marshaul
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