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kmcdowel
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 12:15 am |
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Here is what they should have done:
Phase I: Killer armed with a paintball gun/pistol walks into a classroom and sees how many students he could have 'killed' before the email/text alert system notified people, and campus security showed up. I bet if he hit the right lecture he could get 300 students before the 'swat team' was mobilized.
Phase II: Killer armed with a paintball gun/pistol walks into a classroom and sees how many students he could 'kill.' This time, every student is also armed with a paintball gun.
See which phase results in less fatalities, and then the policy on that.
Email and text messaging systems are reactive and worthless.
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 01:05 am |
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unrequited quoted:
"I was prepared to die at that moment," Wang said Tuesday.
And that pretty much says it all, doesn't it.
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Citizen
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 01:10 am |
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Tomahawk wrote: unrequited quoted:
"I was prepared to die at that moment," Wang said Tuesday.
And that pretty much says it all, doesn't it.
+1
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cato
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 01:36 am |
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After about 10 minutes, the class heard people talking outside the door, and campus police rushed in and subdued the man. "Even after this was over, nobody explained it," Wang said.
Wow I'm impressed. Mission accomplished. But they didn't debrief the students?  
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nofoa
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 01:42 am |
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I remember something like this happening right after viginia tech, it was at a elemtary school. All these 5-6th graders cowering in the corner screaming for mommy. Teacher with a mask.
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Citizen
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 01:52 am |
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Oh, lets just get lots of schools to do these tests. (sarcasm off)
Then, when the next real gunman walks in, nobody will know its not a drill until blood starts pumping.
Even the "cussing" smiley, and all of my USMC salty language are insufficient to express the my outrage over this.
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 02:03 am |
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The training is apparently working.
Nobody fought back, they all lined up to die as instructed, and waited for their brave police officers to come and save them.
So apparently all is good here, nothing to get upset about, Citizen.
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Pointman
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 12:27 pm |
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So basically, State-run institutions can disarm you, then hold you at gunpoint, because it's good for you?
Assaulting a police officer carries a heavy sentence, and my understanding is that it doesn't matter if they are undercover and you don't know it's an officer. Is their next lesson: Defending yourself makes you a felon.
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kmcdowel
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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After about 10 minutes, the class heard people talking outside the door, and campus police rushed in and subdued the man. again...enough time to kill each student in any one class.
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WhiteFeather
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 04:44 pm |
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Pointman wrote;So basically, State-run institutions can disarm you, then hold you at gunpoint, because it's good for you?
Assaulting a police officer carries a heavy sentence, and my understanding is that it doesn't matter if they are undercover and you don't know it's an officer. Is their next lesson: Defending yourself makes you a felon.
That may not be to far from the point...
I have a few questions that maybe someone can answer...
1. Isn't illegal for a peace officer to point a weapon of any sort at an inocent victom without just cause? I was rather sure that would end you in jail and without a job right quick.
2. Is it me or does Mr. Brown seem to mock the entire event as if it were the greatest practical joke ever pulled?
3. How does a peace officer submit to this kind of retoric? I've been running this one around in my mind since I have a simular job. I would not submit to this type of action in my department. In fact I think I would quit on spot if they tried to go through with something like this.
And lastly; what was to gain from this? What did they learn? Everyone knows that sending a message to people doesn't stop/prevent anything. So what was the purpose?
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 05:11 pm |
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Perhaps one of our resident LEOs will answer your question.
As to "How does a peace officer submit to this kind of retoric?"
rhetoric
1. The art of using language, especially public speaking, as a means to persuade. 2. Meaningless language with an exaggerated style intended to impress. "It's only so much rhetoric"
I'm not certain what you're asking. If 'how does a PO submit?' then they may say "it's just a job" or "just following orders."
They're not proof against unprincipled actions any more than any person and would not be made more accountable. Either we are equal or we are not - they carry guns where you cannot.
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Custodian
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 05:38 pm |
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So... Take ONLINE courses AT HOME from North Carolina Colleges. NOW I Understand.
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ConditionThree
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 05:50 pm |
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What an interesting and lethal way to find out whether or not the students were armed.
Recently there was a study on Middle and High School students in my area where a large number of them claimed to have brought weapons to school- both knives and handguns. Now, they could be lying about bringing handguns, but I wonder if it occured to the phoney 'HT' that someone in defiance of campus prohibitions actually carried a loaded firearm with them to school for the express purpose of putting down an armed gunman, ALA VT and NIU.
That's a pretty amazing gamble for a 'drill'. The odds are better than Russian Roulette, but that one loaded chamber could still come around.
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WhiteFeather
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Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 08:21 pm |
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My apologies Doug for thinking that word applied also to actions. His action was exaggerated and unnessasary.
Perhaps "Dangerous Behavior" should have been used.
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 08:49 pm |
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Accepted. No apology needed.
I am sooo Good anmD mad at Wildblue.net and G00gle.com that my mouth is sour and nasty. I've just spent nine hours migrating my e-mail account to G00gle. They're individually POSs and now they're in series and squared. PHUI!!!!!!!!!
If this is a portable e-mail addy then its too much of a PITA to portable again.
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hsmith
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Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 11:20 pm |
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Of all the DUMB things I have ever heard, this ranks up there.
I mean really, what moron thought this was a good idea? How could this EVER cross someones mind as a good idea.
I hope the professor files suit with the university for undue stress or something of that nature.
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DreQo
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 12:01 am |
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"Going armed to the terror of the people" comes to mind.
This is pure stupidity. I'm sorely dissapointed with this generation of children. Oh crap, this is MY generation. Why didn't someone throw a chair at this guy?
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soloban
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 12:32 am |
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Someone needs to be fired over this $#@!. Holy hell....just imagine if some student had decided that despite the fact the CC is against the rules for students he is willing to take the risk. Imagine what the fall out would have been had this guy barged in the class with his unloaded gun for a security drill and said student decided to unload his G27 into this guy....
What a bunch of dumb@$$es. This is absolutely ridiculus.
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Citizen
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 04:40 am |
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Here is how you solve it.
"Well, maybe if more colleges did this drill, students would finally realize how terrifying it is to be defenseless and start clamoring for the right to carry."
Let some college administrators read that post. I bet it stops real quick.
Heck we could even e-mail the sentiment to lots of university chancellors.
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Joe Sixpack
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 04:57 am |
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ok let me get this straight.. not only did they know ahead of time that only roughly half the people was getting the alerts.. but they also withheld the nature of the drill.. and only released an alert that there would a ARMED man drill happening only minutes before it went down?
and on top of that they did not have each students consent?
is that right?
OMFG, i heard nothing of this on the news.. this really tells you something about the media in this country.. when someones knocking boots you'll be the first to know but when some heavy stuff like this goes down they're no where to be found.
how is this not a crime? i dont care if it was the police or not.. how is it not a crime? insighting panic, unlawful inprisonment, and assault with a deadly weapon (does'nt matter if it was loaded or not).. probably a bunch more i can't think of.
this is so very wrong i can't believe ther is'nt any criminal charges / law suits / idiots being fired over this.
if i told 1 out of 2 people i was gonna enter a school on monday with a unloaded weapon and run a drill do you think i would not goto prison for very long time?
I can tell you with 100% certanty that not only would i have drawn on the cop but most likely would not even givin them the chance to speak.. (Draw,Bang!)
even assuming they was givin the opertunity to speak and say they're a cop i would not belive them, it would'nt matter.
i recently asked what happens if a undercover or plan clothes cop was to draw on you for no reason..
would you,
1. comply knowing it could be a criminal posing as a cop, could be shot or mugged
2. try to draw and kill the cop.. you're sent to prison forever
3. try to draw and the cop kills you, you're dead and the report will say the cop was neutralizing a gunman or other threat.. he's a hero and you're a stiff.
to me this is a very scary situation, in this situation you probably wont have time to think..
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