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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 06:48 pm |
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Nickel Mines, PA Amish school, hostages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting
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deepdiver
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 10:29 pm |
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SFDoc wrote: deepdiver wrote: imperialism2024 wrote: Toad wrote: I don't remember a hostage situation in any of the recent attacks in US schools. The criminal came in and just started murdering with out delay. So what exactly do they think they are training for? They are just making it more obvious that they are not capable of dealing with a fast acting mass murder situation that is becoming the common method used. Law enforcement will never be able to stop one before it is over and the body count is already high. When will the public at large wake up and say 'hay you people don't have a chance of stopping a Cho type of situation so from now on we will take of our own all of your laws to the contrary are now void'.
I think you nailed it there. They're planning for the situations in which unarmed students have some chance of survival beyond ammo capacity because they need to look like they're doing something... anything... and the sh**ple will buy it. Now they can say, "well, no armed student could prevent a hostage situation, and they would just make it worse!" and so on...
You guys are right on track. A hostage situation, especially one where the BG is holding a hostage against his own body with a weapon to the hostage's head is a MUCH different shoot scenario than someone barging into a room and opening fire. In the first, not only is it likely a damn hard shot given the stress of the moment but the intent is not clear either. In the scenario we keep seeing playing out with an active shooter barging into a room, there is no ambiguity of intent and since everyone else will be running away from the BG, as long as you are clear of the fleeing victims you most likely have a clear shot.
I had not thought through this to the point that both of you did as to, on top of everything else, how unrealistic and unlike the real situations we have seen, this drill scenario really was.
After the Lobby Day at the GA, and the lies I heard about gun free zones making schools safer, I started looking for news articles on gun free zone shootings. From what I’ve found so far, from Nov. 1994 to Feb. 2008 there have been 134 armed attacks on public, private schools, colleges and universities. Of that, I’ve only found 3 cases where hostages were taken. I’m guessing there are others, just haven’t found them, yet. I'm courious if you have noted how many of the 134 occured in gun free zones.
I well remember that shooting at the Amish school, Doug. It was one of the final non-personal events that led to my decision to carry.
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Toad
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 12:08 am |
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UTOC-45-44 wrote: Toad wrote: Double Tap...sorry
2nd that.
I would not have had ANY problem to defend myself and the class here in Utah.
I am 100% positive that the AG would have been on mine or anybody elses side that would have drawn down on the "BG in disguise" and even after a 2tap. Especially after an unfortunate incident like Trolley Square.
TJ
Actually, I double posted a comment but since you put it in that light I would have to agree with where you are comming from. Unfortunately one would be demonized by the media for applying the correct form of proper resistance and you would unjustly be confined to prison. They are very lucky that nobody was hurt or worse during this so called 'training'. It is a sad state of affairs we live in.
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SFDoc
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 01:24 am |
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Doug Huffman wrote: Nickel Mines, PA Amish school, hostages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting
Got it - Forgot this started as a hostage situation - Thanks
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