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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 01:42 pm |
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Guess what was on last night. I didn’t know they had anything planned. A lot more to this, I'm just gaged on it right now. You will flip when it comes out what they are trying to say. Think you as a gun owner are not at risk yet? You will change your mind soon.
DOBBS: Every time we can smell the chamber of commerce, it makes me kind of get committed. You know what I mean?
An update now on a story we first reported to you last month. LOU DOBBS TONIGHT has now learned the government is seeking an even tougher sentence than we originally expected against Army veteran and reservist David Olofson of Wisconsin.
Speaking of cases difficult to understand, try this on for size. Olofson was convicted of, "transferring a machine gun" after his rifle misfired at a shooting range. The government is seeking a sentence of three-and-a-half to four years against Olofson.
This Army veteran, a man with an otherwise absolutely clean record and a wife and three children. His sentence is scheduled for May 8. Now we don't know what's going on. We've been reporting on it. Bill Tucker has been out to -- to meet with Olofson or report on the story.
Now the National Rifle Association's civil rights defense fund said it has this case under review. We'll, of course, keep you informed on this incredible story. Bill Tucker will be amongst those going out to Wisconsin to find out what is going on in that state. It is really an incredible story.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 08:09 am |
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| Wow, that's crazy. I'm glad at least Dobbs is covering it. Go figure the liberal media isn't on it. I'm shocked Oreilly hasn't gotten it yet.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 12:51 pm |
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nitrovic wrote: I'm shocked Oreilly hasn't gotten it yet.
Never know. Maybe I'll continue to get lucky.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 02:42 pm |
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I think that the case is a real signpost on the road to tyranny. If we put aside the Second Amendment arguments and look at the Eighth Amendment we find the cruel and unusual punishment clause. Owning a machine gun is not against the law and the Federal Government does not have the authority to forbid said ownership. Federal machine gun regulation therefore relies upon a tax scheme. The unpaid tax upon the "machine gun" is $200.00. This level of "crime", failure to pay a small tax, does not warrant multiple years in jail. It is cruel and unusual punishment.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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Thundar wrote: I think that the case is a real signpost on the road to tyranny. If we put aside the Second Amendment arguments and look at the Eighth Amendment we find the cruel and unusual punishment clause. Owning a machine gun is not against the law and the Federal Government does not have the authority to forbid said ownership. Federal machine gun regulation therefore relies upon a tax scheme. The unpaid tax upon the "machine gun" is $200.00. This level of "crime", failure to pay a small tax, does not warrant multiple years in jail. It is cruel and unusual punishment.
I'll admit that I was so caught up in the 2nd amendment violation that I didn't think of the 8th. So yes, a lack of a tax stamp should be a summary offense payable by a small fine, if I'm reading you correctly.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 01:43 am |
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nitrovic wrote: Wow, that's crazy. I'm glad at least Dobbs is covering it. Go figure the liberal media isn't on it. I'm shocked Oreilly hasn't gotten it yet.
He's too busy doing investigative specials into Girls Gone Wild. "Because you need to know." 
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 11:25 pm |
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ama-gi wrote: nitrovic wrote: Wow, that's crazy. I'm glad at least Dobbs is covering it. Go figure the liberal media isn't on it. I'm shocked Oreilly hasn't gotten it yet.
He's too busy doing investigative specials into Girls Gone Wild. "Because you need to know." 
Yeah, I don't get that either. I agree with his tough stance on the child protection laws, but girls gone wild? If those little tramps want to sign the release form saying their 18, then have at it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:12 am |
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nitrovic wrote: ama-gi wrote: nitrovic wrote: Wow, that's crazy. I'm glad at least Dobbs is covering it. Go figure the liberal media isn't on it. I'm shocked Oreilly hasn't gotten it yet.
He's too busy doing investigative specials into Girls Gone Wild. "Because you need to know." 
Yeah, I don't get that either. I agree with his tough stance on the child protection laws, but girls gone wild? If those little tramps want to sign the release form saying their 18, then have at it.
It's just trash TV. That's all O'Reilly is. He's not intelligent and can't defend his ideas with any kind of reason or logic.
Anyway, I'm glad Dobbs is covering this story.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 11:27 pm |
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Let the feds have their fun. Let them get a conviction. Let them imprison Olofson under these circumstances.
Wouldn't they look foolish if some person/persons decide to spring him?
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 03:26 am |
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: Let the feds have their fun. Let them get a conviction. Let them imprison Olofson under these circumstances.
Wouldn't they look foolish if some person/persons decide to spring him?
Especially if the liberators used bolt-action hunting rifles. Or better yet, black powder. Hah! Take that, ATF!
*quietly resumes loading AK-47 mags*
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 11:31 am |
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imperialism2024 wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote: Let the feds have their fun. Let them get a conviction. Let them imprison Olofson under these circumstances.
Wouldn't they look foolish if some person/persons decide to spring him?
Especially if the liberators used bolt-action hunting rifles. Or better yet, black powder. Hah! Take that, ATF!
*quietly resumes loading AK-47 mags*
These sort of posts are amusing, but not helpful. When taken out of context they help to label us as gun "nuts" and anti-government. Not saying that is right, but just the reality of it.
The reality of the case is that the BATFE is trying to railroad a citizen and set a legal precedent that would make any citizen that possesses a misfiring semi automatic firearm a felon.
No flame please. I am not saying that the defendant is completely innocent, as I was not at the trial. The expert testimony about testing by BATFE without testing criteria = railroad. The legal standard for machine gun proposed by BATFE in this case = misfiring Ruger 10/22 means you are a felon.
The BATFE needs to be put back in their box or better yet disbanded.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 12:01 pm |
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Just as there are "nuts" in any area of work and play, there are gun nuts. That doesn't mean the person is in need of commitment (stand down, East Baton Rouge sheriff's office), it merely means a person is passionate about something.
Yes, the BATFEXYZ IS trying to set a precedent. Maybe history is about to set another precedent.
Disband the BATFEXYZ? Even the allegedly "great" Gipper called for their demise. Have you seen that happen? NO? Why not? Do you, or anyone else, think the thugs at the BATFEXYZ are going to get back in their box? Or go to the house, voluntarily?
If anyone believes that, I predict all three of the current stooges running for the presidency are going to drop out and GIVE Ron Paul a free pass.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 12:05 pm |
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Thundar wrote: imperialism2024 wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote: Let the feds have their fun. Let them get a conviction. Let them imprison Olofson under these circumstances.
Wouldn't they look foolish if some person/persons decide to spring him?
Especially if the liberators used bolt-action hunting rifles. Or better yet, black powder. Hah! Take that, ATF!
*quietly resumes loading AK-47 mags*
These sort of posts are amusing, but not helpful. When taken out of context they help to label us as gun "nuts" and anti-government. Not saying that is right, but just the reality of it.
The reality of the case is that the BATFE is trying to railroad a citizen and set a legal precedent that would make any citizen that possesses a misfiring semi automatic firearm a felon.
No flame please. I am not saying that the defendant is completely innocent, as I was not at the trial. The expert testimony about testing by BATFE without testing criteria = railroad. The legal standard for machine gun proposed by BATFE in this case = misfiring Ruger 10/22 means you are a felon.
The BATFE needs to be put back in their box or better yet disbanded.
Whoops 
Anyhow, I understand what you're saying. Over the weekend, there was a guy at my range trying to get his AK to bump-fire, and I made sure to warn him about this case... If the BATFE has their way here, it would be very easy for them to make a felon out of most people firing semi-auto weapons.
The easy answer, though, is to repeal the NFA and all other laws at the national level prohibiting cetain types of guns. Then it wouldn't matter if your semi-auto misfires or not. And congrats, there's no longer a purpose for the BATFE as its other dysfunctions are or can be covered by state agencies.
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imperialism2024 wrote: Whoops 
Anyhow, I understand what you're saying. Over the weekend, there was a guy at my range trying to get his AK to bump-fire, and I made sure to warn him about this case... If the BATFE has their way here, it would be very easy for them to make a felon out of most people firing semi-auto weapons.
The easy answer, though, is to repeal the NFA and all other laws at the national level prohibiting cetain types of guns. Then it wouldn't matter if your semi-auto misfires or not. And congrats, there's no longer a purpose for the BATFE as its other dysfunctions are or can be covered by state agencies.
This is where the problem lies. The FED has attempted to unconstitutionally grab every little shred of authority that it can. I am a strict constitutionalist, personally. I believe taht teh FED should follow the constitution rather than interpet it. While we will never get a ruling form teh Supreme Court, the Federal Court, the state court, teh county court, the peoples court, opr from Judge Judy saying so, a little more than 60% of teh beaurocracy of teh FED is unconstitutional. ammendment 10 of the Constitution reads
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. "
Essentially, what this means is that any power that the FED currently claims should be listed in the Constitution. While I could ramble of a pretty impressive list of quite unconstitutional agencies, that is irrelevant for teh topic at hand.
what is relevant is the direct violation of teh 2nd ammendment by teh mere existence of teh BATFE. The 2nd tells us that the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. until such time that the SC should decide to descredit themselves by throwing out the well known and respected actual meaning of the ammendment in favor of a modern "interpetation", then the fact still remains that NFA weapons, while heavily regulated, are still perfectly legal to own. Due to that fact, NFA laws are written as TAX CODE (title 26 USC), and should be enforced as such. If my understanding is correct, the ATF is under the authority of teh Department of Justice, while every other tax agency is under teh department of the treasury. If someone is convicted of a tax code violation, are they not first given the choice to pay the back taxes, and then imprisoned if they then refuse? When was Mr. Olofson given that choice?
The ATF is not only unconstitutional, and a danger to the very essence of liberty in these United States, they are the realization of the founders worst fear. the fear that the republic that they created "Of the people, for the people, and by teh people", would become just as bad as teh Monarchy they left behind.
"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (adminstrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery."
~Thomas Jefferson
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Posted: Wed Apr 16th, 2008 05:13 pm |
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
EASTERN DISTRICT OF WISCONSIN
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,
v. Case No. 06-CR-320
DAVID R. OLOFSON,
Defendant.
GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT’S
MOTION FOR JUDGMENT OF ACQUITTAL
Background
On December 5, 2006, a grand jury in the Eastern District of Wisconsin returned an
indictment charging David R. Olofson with transferring a machine gun, in violation of 18
U.S.C. §§ 922( o) and 924(a)(2). He went to trial and, on January 8, 2008, was convicted.
Olofson now has filed a motion for judgment of acquittal. For the reasons set forth below,
Olofson’s motion should be denied.
Argument
I. The evidence presented at trial clearly supports a rational finding that each
element of the offense was established beyond a reasonable doubt.
Olofson contends that the evidence presented at trial was insufficient to sustain a
conviction. A defendant making such a claim faces a daunting challenge. United States v.
Suggs , 374 F.3d 508, 518 (7th Cir. 2004); United States v. Brown, 328 F.3d 352, 355 (7th Cir.
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2003). The issue to be addressed by the court is whether the evidence presented at trial,
when viewed in the light most favorable to the government, could support a rational juror
in finding beyond a reasonable doubt each essential element of the offense charged. United
States v. Gougis , 432 F.3d 735, 743-44 (7th Cir. 2006); United States v. George, 363 F.3d 666, 674
(7 th Cir. 2004). In making this determination, the court is not to re-weigh the evidence or
make credibility determinations. Brown, 328 F.3d at 355. Rather, the court is simply to
assess the trial record to determine whether it contains evidence from which a reasonable
juror could find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. United States v. Graham, 315 F.3d 777, 781
(7 th Cir. 2003).
Olofson was charged with transferring a machine gun. To prove that Olofson
committed the offense, the government was required to establish beyond a reasonable
doubt (1) that Olofson knowingly transferred a machine gun; and (2) that Olofson knew,
or was aware of, the essential characteristics of the firearm that made it a machine gun. See
United States v. McGiffen , 267 F.3d 581 (7th Cir. 2001); Eleventh Circuit Pattern Jury Instructions
- Criminal , instruction 34.8, p. 216.
A. The evidence at trial clearly supports a rational finding that the firearm in
question was a machinegun.
Olofson argues that, because the statute is written in the present tense, a firearm
qualifies as a machinegun only if it always fires automatically and only if it fires
automatically regardless of the type of ammunition used.
Olofson’s interpretation does not flow from a reading of the plain language of §
922( o). Rather, his interpretation engrafts additional elements onto the statute, which by
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1 In his motion, Olofson argues only that his firearm was not a “machinegun” under § 922(o).
He makes no argument regarding his knowledge of the firearm firing more than one round with a
single function of the trigger. In any event, again, the record contains ample evidence that Olofson
had such knowledge. For example, Robert Kiernicki testified that Olofson made comments to him
– both before and after law enforcement officers seized Olofson’s firearm – acknowledging that
Olofson had himself fired the gun automatically in the past. Moreover, Firearms Technology Officer
(FTO) Max Kingery testified that Olofson’s firearm fired automatically because, although it was a
semiautomatic AR-15, it had M-16 fire control components installed in it. Kingery also testified that
the particular M-16 components – the trigger; the selector; the hammer; and the disconnector – in
Olofson’s firearm were not installed by the manufacturer. Someone had to have modified the
firearm to include those four components. And e-mails and other documents on Olofson’s computer
showed that he had ordered M-16 parts. Olofson also had a manual that described how to convert
a semiautomatic AR-15 to an automatic M-16 by substituting the very M-16 parts that were in
Olofson’s gun. This evidence strongly suggests that Olofson had actually made the modifications
that converted his firearm to an automatic; at a minimum it demonstrates that he was aware that the
modifications had been made and that those modifications allowed his gun to fire automatically.
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its terms does not require any explanation for automatic fire (such as that a particular type
of ammunition be used or that a firearm be modified to cause automatic fire); nor does the
statute require any particular number of tests or any particular “error rate.” Factors like
those identified by Olofson are relevant only to the extent that they shed light on whether
Olofson knew that his firearm fired automatically. And, to the extent that Olofson might
suggest, for example, that ATF’s first negative test (using special military-grade
ammunition) shows that he did not know that his firearm fired automatically, there is
ample evidence in the record that demonstrates that he did have the requisite knowledge. 1
Again, Olofson argues only that his firearm was not a machinegun under § 922( o).
A machine gun is any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily
restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single
function of the trigger. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(23); 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b). The record contains
ample evidence from which the jury could rationally conclude that Olofson’s firearm fit
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this definition. In fact, the firearm consistently fired automatically at a number of different
points in time, beginning before Olofson provided it to Kiernicki and extending through
the final ATF testfire. Kiernicki testified that Olofson acknowledged having fired the gun
automatically before loaning it to Kiernicki. And Kiernicki testified that he fired the gun
automatically on the day officers seized the gun from him. And, after the gun was seized,
FTO Kingery test fired it and found that it fired automatically. In fact, the jury was shown
a video of the firearm firing automatically. That the firearm failed to fire automatically on
one occasion when it was loaded with special hard-primered military grade ammunition
does not remove the gun from the compass of the statutory definition.
II. Section 5845 is not unconstitutionally vague as applied Olofson’s conduct.
While 18 U.S.C. § 922( o) proscribes possession of a machinegun, the term
“machinegun” is defined in 26 U.S.C. § 5845. Olofson contends that the latter statute is
unconstitutionally vague.
“Vagueness may invalidate a criminal law for either of two independent reasons.
First, it may fail to provide the kind of ordinary notice that will enable ordinary people to
understand what conduct it prohibits; second, it may authorize and even encourage
arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement.” City of Chicago v. Morales, 527 U.S. 41, 56 (1999);
see also United States v. Lim , 444 F.3d 910, 915 (7th Cir. 2006). Vagueness challenges that do
not implicate First Amendment freedoms must be analyzed in light of the application of
the statute to the facts of the case at hand. United States v. Powell, 423 U.S. 87, 92 (1975). A
statute is unconstitutionally vague as applied only if the defendant could not have known
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that the conduct underlying his conviction was covered by the statute. United States v.
Warner , 498 F.3d 666, 697 (7 Cir. 2007); see also Maynard th v. Cartwright, 486 U.S. 356, 361
(1988) (explaining that a vagueness challenge “rest[s] on the lack of notice, and hence may
be overcome in any specific case where reasonable persons would know that their conduct
is at risk.”).
Olofson claims that § 5845 is vague because, under the facts of his case, “he could
not know whether he had a malfunctioning rifle or a machine gun.” Def. Motion at 5.
Olofson misapprehends the relevant issue,which is simply whether – at the time that he
transferred the firearm to Kiernicki – Olofson knew that it fired automatically. And, again,
here there is ample evidence that Olofson had such knowledge. See supra, note 1.
The evidence presented at trial established that Olofson’s gun fired automatically
not because of an unintended malfunction, but rather because M-16 components had been
installed. The evidence further established (or at least supports a rational jury finding) that
Olofson knew that the M-16 components caused the gun to fire automatically. Most
importantly – and most to the point for purposes of the present motion – the evidence
presented at trial established that Olofson provided his automatically firing firearm to
Kiernicki and that, when he transferred the gun, Olofson knew that it fired automatically.
See supra , note 1. Because the statute provides clear notice that such conduct is criminal,
and because the clear definition of a machinegun (particularly when coupled with the
knowledge requirement in 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(2)) did not result in arbitrary enforcement,
the statute is not unconstitutionally vague as applied to Olofson in this case.
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Conclusion
Based on the foregoing, the government asks that this Court deny Olofson’s motion
for a judgment of acquittal.
Respectfully submitted this 13 th day of March, 2008.
STEVEN M. BISKUPIC
United States Attorney
By:
s/Gregory J. Haanstad
Assistant United States Attorney
Gregory J. Haanstad: 1036125
Attorney for Plaintiff
Office of the United States Attorney
Eastern District of Wisconsin
517 East Wisconsin Avenue, Room 530
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202
Telephone: (414) 297-4581
Fax: (414) 297-1738
E-Mail: greg.haanstad@usdoj.gov
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So, my one-sentence synopsis of that last post is that: our secret lab was able to get the gun to fire automatically, and Olofson must have made it a machinegun because he knew how to do that.... oh, and our paid informant said so, and that's the most important part. 
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imperialism2024 wrote: So, my one-sentence synopsis of that last post is that: our secret lab was able to get the gun to fire automatically, and Olofson must have made it a machinegun because he knew how to do that.... oh, and our paid informant said so, and that's the most important part. 
The paid informant was also under duress of prosecution for possessing a MG. Same penalty I face now. Plus we can now prove he lied publicly. Same with the ATF. We can prove the government both lied to the court and purged themselves.
But to rehash some points I made on AR-15.com for clarification:
This model of weapon from Oly arms SGW was made with M16 parts, all 4 of them. I repeatedly had problems with it and replaced the factory trigger group 2 times having the same problem intermittently each time. In 1994 I replaced the factory parts with AR-15 parts from DPMS. The parts in it now were not put in the gun by myself. We asked the feds to print the gun and they refused. They know as well as we do that would have killed their case. So as it was argued at trial, and from now until the end of time this case is officially about a factory gun that malfunctioned. And as the government stated on the record they don’t care if it was a malfunctioning factory gun. All that matters is that they got it to go bang more than once with enough putt sing with it. (Easy to do with no written testing standards) If it goes bang more than once you’re in possession of a MG. If you loan it out and it goes bang more than once after it is on loan or sold you are guilty of transferring a MG.
Clear as mud now hey…
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 07:42 pm |
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Are the parts M16 parts, or are they AR15 parts they're claiming are M16? If the defense hasn't been able to inspect the gun, who knows they're not AR15? Who can prove David put the parts in without prints? Who cares!! Without an M16 sear and bolt, it's not a machine gun.
It's getting to the point OCDO need to assign a "Screwed" icon next to certain member's names. Start with David, then Legba, maybe Dan, everyone in Wisconsin, Illinois residents get two because they're double-screwed, California gets a homosexual screw, Michigan's gets a safety head so it can't turn left, Hawaii gets a wood spike because screws harm the environment and have been banned, Texas gets a counter-sunk screw so you can't see it, Minnesota's screw has to be driven in, backed out because it was put in wrong, then driven in again, ...
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I don't think that one can assert a defense of "my machine gun came from a factory sold as a semi-auto" - mistake of fact?, yes, but I think the record shows that this guy knew he had a machine gun and he transferred it to somebody. Unfortunately, these facts are extremely bad for anybody at anytime.
Is the NFA a harsh law? Yes. So Congress needs to repeal it or make it less harsh.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 08:14 pm |
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All of us need to remember if any of us are ever on a jury regarding a gun control law like this, jurors have the right to find a person "not guilty" if they think the law is unjust (whether or not the defendant broke the unjust law)
http://fija.org/
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