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Bladerunner2347
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 07:48 pm |
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Now a while back I promised to show everyone how deep this rabbit hole is and let them see the whole story. As such I am releasing a number of witness accounts. Most have nothing to lose or gain from speaking up other than the fact they make themselves a target of the feds. These will be released one at a time over the next few days. Draw your own conclusions about who has been telling the truth through this, who has been full of BS, and who is out of control. Now with no further ado here is the beginning of the rest of the story from those who lived it.
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Bladerunner2347
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 08:44 pm |
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How You Can Become A
“Gun Felon”
http://gunsmagazine.com/DGR0708.html
“If you pull the trigger once and it fires more than one round, no matter what the cause it’s a machine gun.”
At 2:15 PM on January 8 of this year, the Milwaukee jury in the trial of United States vs. David R. Olofson convened. Forty minutes later they emerged, returning a unanimous verdict against the veteran and National Guardsman: “Guilty.”
Olofson, you see, had loaned one of his rifles, and it malfunctioned at a range, firing off short bursts before jamming. This was called to the attention of local authorities who seized the rifle, an Olympic Arms AR-15. They in turn called BATFE, who decided to make a federal case out of it, charging Olofson with illegally transferring a machinegun.
Enter Len Savage (See “Failing the Test,” July 2005), President of Historic Arms, LLC, brought in by Olofson’s defense to testify the automatic fire was not by design or intent, but rather by mechanical failure, and that the firearm in question was simply a semiautomatic rifle that needed to be repaired.
The opposition would have none of that. Savage was not permitted to personally examine the rifle — not even to touch it. He was required to observe as the ATF officer opened it for inspection. His professional credentials were challenged by the prosecution, who wanted his testimony excluded, even though Savage is a firearm designer by profession, and the government’s expert witness received all of his training in the 2-1/2 years he’d been with the bureau. Then the prosecution reneged on its pledge not to sequester witnesses, and had Savage removed from the courtroom so he could not hear the government’s testimony.
So in the end, it didn’t matter this was merely a case of a “hammer follow.”
It didn’t matter the rifle in question had not been intentionally modified for select fire, or that it did not have an M16 bolt carrier or sear, that it did not show any signs of machining or drilling, or that that model had even been recalled a few years back.
It didn’t matter that, when asked if he’d test fired the gun, Savage testified “From my examination and from what I saw on the [ATF test] video I wouldn’t want to attempt it … the video shows the guy who was shooting it was so afraid to fire it from the shoulder he had to hold it out in front of him. So he knew it was dangerous.”
It didn’t matter the government had repeatedly failed to replicate automatic fire until they replaced the ammunition with a softer primer type. It didn’t even matter that the prosecution admitted it was not important to prove the gun would do it again if the test were conducted today.
What mattered was the government’s position that none of the above was relevant because “[T]here’s no indication it makes any difference under the statute. If you pull the trigger once and it fires more than one round, no matter what the cause it’s a machine gun.”
No matter what the cause.
Think about if your semiauto ever malfunctions. Because that’s how close you could be to becoming a convicted “gun felon.”
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Bladerunner2347
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Posted: Thu May 15th, 2008 11:00 pm |
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Rabbit Hole 2
 
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imperialism2024
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 02:29 am |
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Make an example? I don't know about anyone else, but this has pretty much dropped "scared of the BATFE jack-booted thugs" off of my radar screen and replaced it with an insatiable anger.
The only question that remains, now, is how to begin the prosecuting, under Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution, every person involved with the prosecution of Olofson (including the "judge", who I'd say is a member of the prosecution)?
It took me a good several minutes to edit this post down to something that could be posted and wouldn't reflect poorly on OCDO.
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Bladerunner2347
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 03:09 am |
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imperialism2024 wrote: Make an example? I don't know about anyone else, but this has pretty much dropped "scared of the BATFE jack-booted thugs" off of my radar screen and replaced it with an insatiable anger.
The only question that remains, now, is how to begin the prosecuting, under Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution, every person involved with the prosecution of Olofson (including the "judge", who I'd say is a member of the prosecution)?
It took me a good several minutes to edit this post down to something that could be posted and wouldn't reflect poorly on OCDO.
You ain't seen nothing yet, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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deepdiver
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 04:15 am |
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This isn't just anger inducing and upsetting, it is downright scary.
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Eagleeye
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:23 am |
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deepdiver wrote: This isn't just anger inducing and upsetting, it is downright scary.
Dosn't really surprise me.
the only part that did surprise me in any way was the sheer absurdity of many of the BATFE Claims and the Judge's Comments.
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BobCav
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:39 am |
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To think it only lasted 232 years. Nothing at all compared to the REAL empires of the world.
If things don't change, the only remnant of the America our forefathers designed will be a two page chapter in the history books 100 years from now. Mark my words.
Want to learn the future? Study the past.
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Flintlock
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:54 am |
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BobCav wrote: To think it only lasted 232 years. Nothing at all compared to the REAL empires of the world.
If things don't change, the only remnant of the America our forefathers designed will be a two page chapter in the history books 100 years from now. Mark my words.
Want to learn the future? Study the past.
Pretty sad..
Reminds me of Patrick Buchanan's book A Republic Not An Empire: Reclaiming America's Destiny.
We should pay a lot more attention to George Washington's farewell address and acknowledge his concerns.
Fortress America baby..
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 05:59 am |
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BobCav wrote: To think it only lasted 232 years. Nothing at all compared to the REAL empires of the world.
If things don't change, the only remnant of the America our forefathers designed will be a two page chapter in the history books 100 years from now. Mark my words.
Want to learn the future? Study the past.
Well, the re-establishment of our rights may not be as peaceful as we all hope and pray it is. Still, not ready to give up on the political process just yet or call it over. It is easy to lose sight of the many freedoms we have retained and even newly established since our founding. Although, this travesty certainly shakes one's optimism. Still, the fat lady isn't singing yet, although I think I heard her warming up in the wings.
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 04:13 pm |
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Rabbit hole #3
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 09:44 pm |
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Official BATFE Report (AKA Bull$h!t)
http://www.atf.treas.gov/press/2008press/field/051408stp_berlinman-sentenced.pdf
To quote one partticular Statment within it...
“Today’s sentence is a victory for legal gun owners,” said ATF Special Agent Zapor.
Really? Then why are we all so pi$$ed off about it???  
And get this BS...
Olofson acknowledged to agents that he knew how to convert semi-automatic rifles to
machine guns, and agents later found conversion information and instructions on Olofson’s
computers. Agents also found e-mail exchanges with third parties on Olofson’s computer
wherein Olofson discussed machine guns and ways to avoid federal registration requirements for
automatic weapons.
During the sentencing, the judge rejected the defense contention that the gun had merely
malfunctioned and was not a machine gun, instead finding that Olofson knew the gun was a
machine gun. The Court found that Olofson’s military service and the other evidence in the case
suggested he was “incredibly familiar” with firearms, and rejected Olofson’s contention that he
was unaware of the gun’s capability to fire automatically. “Mr. Olofson has, in this court’s view,
shown he was ignoring the law and that he was doing so in part for financial gain.”
The Court also relied, in imposing the 30-month prison sentence, on prior convictions
Olofson sustained, including one involving the carrying a concealed, loaded firearm during trick
or treating with his children. “You don’t put kids at risk on Halloween, and then deserve the
label of ‘good citizen’ who always follows the law,” Judge Clevert commented.
What are these nuts high on?
Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2008 09:53 pm by Eagleeye
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unreconstructed1
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 10:11 pm |
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| I have said many times before, that were the founding fathers ( some of them anyway) to see what has become of their "glorious experiment" they would be the first ones in line to lead the revolution. America today is no better than England was in 1776.
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imperialism2024
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unreconstructed1 wrote: I have said many times before, that were the founding fathers ( some of them anyway) to see what has become of their "glorious experiment" they would be the first ones in line to lead the revolution. America today is no better than England was in 1776.
Actually, if the founding fathers were alive today, they would be either sitting in a Federal prison on "suspected terrorist" charges, or dead after being Ruby Ridged.
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 12:48 am |
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imperialism2024 wrote: unreconstructed1 wrote: I have said many times before, that were the founding fathers ( some of them anyway) to see what has become of their "glorious experiment" they would be the first ones in line to lead the revolution. America today is no better than England was in 1776.
Actually, if the founding fathers were alive today, they would be either sitting in a Federal prison on "suspected terrorist" charges, or dead after being Ruby Ridged.
Sad, but most likely very true.......
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 02:41 am |
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I Heard an NPR Talk Radio host class this as Red Dawn in Super Slo-Mo.
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Flintlock
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imperialism2024 wrote: unreconstructed1 wrote: I have said many times before, that were the founding fathers ( some of them anyway) to see what has become of their "glorious experiment" they would be the first ones in line to lead the revolution. America today is no better than England was in 1776.
Actually, if the founding fathers were alive today, they would be either sitting in a Federal prison on "suspected terrorist" charges, or dead after being Ruby Ridged.
Definitely true.. Except they probably wouldn't be "charged" with anything. They would just be labeled as enemy combatants and would rot in a prison until some federal judge attempted to come to their rescue and force the government to charge them with something. They would be scorned and branded as treasonous hate mongers and militia types by the media and wouldn't be given the time of day.
How times have changed.
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Pointman
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on May 15 ran a story that deserves to be in the Opinion section, at the bottom of the bird cage. They take a few things from David Olofson's past and dramatise them, presenting only one side. Apparently they couldn't find anything damning that is actually related to the latest trial, so they tried hanging him on things from the past.
From what I can gather, a group of specialists were ordered to make some changes to the computer system. They did, and it resulted in a potential hole to the outside. They plugged the hole and moved on. As an expert in the field, I base this observation on the facts: If the men weren't under orders to make the changes, charges against them would have been filed. Security holes to the outside sometimes happen in complex systems, and something as simple as sharing a printer can create one. Data transmission is logged, so if data had been leaked it would have been recorded and reported. No data was reported leaked. No investigation was conducted on any of the people involved.
MSJ added the part about Wisconsin militias, not the Army. MSJ added a lot of "could be inferred" or "might have" statements. Welcome to the liberal machine.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751515
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Bladerunner2347
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 12:42 pm |
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Pointman wrote: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on May 15 ran a story that deserves to be in the Opinion section, at the bottom of the bird cage. They take a few things from David Olofson's past and dramatise them, presenting only one side. Apparently they couldn't find anything damning that is actually related to the latest trial, so they tried hanging him on things from the past.
From what I can gather, a group of specialists were ordered to make some changes to the computer system. They did, and it resulted in a potential hole to the outside. They plugged the hole and moved on. As an expert in the field, I base this observation on the facts: If the men weren't under orders to make the changes, charges against them would have been filed. Security holes to the outside sometimes happen in complex systems, and something as simple as sharing a printer can create one. Data transmission is logged, so if data had been leaked it would have been recorded and reported. No data was reported leaked. No investigation was conducted on any of the people involved.
MSJ added the part about Wisconsin militias, not the Army. MSJ added a lot of "could be inferred" or "might have" statements. Welcome to the liberal machine.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=751515
I still have the Army looking into it and haven't recieved word back on it yet. To my knowledge there never was any problems. But yes they did seem to do a lot of digging and still they came up with nothing. Good way for the feds to try to drag a red herring down the road.
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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This is rabbit hole number 4, with a few more to go, most much worse.
Don’t know how or why and won’t comment, but things like this make us wonder.
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