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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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Sounds a LOT like the stunts they pulled on Randy Weaver.
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 04:21 pm |
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This is very scary. Either a veteran and his associates have committed conspiracy and perjury or the BATFE has again gone off the ranch.
I really wish that I could have faith in the government and dismiss all of these rabbit hole accusations as a bunch of desperate conspiracy theory crap. Then I read the tax information shenanigans that BATFE pulled to frustrate defence discovery and I become very angry. I put more faith in this conspiracy crap than a federal law enforcement agency (BATFE).
BOOT the BATFE.
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 04:39 pm |
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What you can read Monday and Tuesday will kill any doubt you have as to who is off base.
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 05:37 pm |
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Thundar wrote: I really wish that I could have faith in the government and dismiss all of these rabbit hole accusations as a bunch of desperate conspiracy theory crap.
"Conspiracy Theory's" have a nasty habit of being "Conspiracy Facts".
People just don't want to entertain the thought of any of them being true so they view them as a form of insanity.
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Thundar
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 06:11 pm |
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Eagleeye wrote: Thundar wrote: I really wish that I could have faith in the government and dismiss all of these rabbit hole accusations as a bunch of desperate conspiracy theory crap.
"Conspiracy Theory's" have a nasty habit of being "Conspiracy Facts".
People just don't want to entertain the thought of any of them being true so they view them as a form of insanity.
I know. Damn shame it is this way. Read my entire quote. My intent was to put BATFE lower than crap.Last edited on Sun May 18th, 2008 06:12 pm by Thundar
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Eagleeye
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 08:04 pm |
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Thundar wrote: I know. Damn shame it is this way. Read my entire quote. My intent was to put BATFE lower than crap.
I realised that, I was just adding to it.
the reason I did is it would appear that a few are following what I said to a "T" on AR15.com and THR.
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Prometheus
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 04:16 am |
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I've been trying tofollow this case as closely as I can... total railroad job... whats really scarry is that a jury actually convicted!
I basically expect this sort of thing from batfe... but any rational person/juror could easily see this did NOT fit the bill for machine gun in any sort of the manner.
Makes no sense how that part of this happen. honestly makes me want to cry that good mans life is f'ed because of 12 idiots on a jury, to say nothing of the judge, prosecutor or agents responsible for this.
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 07:30 pm |
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Rabbit Hole #5
This one only reinforces what the others on the range said, the next 2 will bring up further allegations of increasing severity. I’m trying to convince one of my other neighbors to do one on when they dropped me off after the raid. If he does it would prove perjury on the part of the ATF at a motion hearing. But he is pretty scared right now so I’m not sure if #8 will ever get done, but at least we have these 7 if anything.
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 07:39 pm |
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Bladerunner2347
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 09:27 pm |
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Minor correction in the radio times. We are now set to record at 10am tomorrow. Initial broadcast on the net and radio stations will be noon on Saturday. Podcasts should be available in less than 48 hours.
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 10:46 pm |
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Cool, thanks for the Info.
BTW, even though we may be eager to find out details of what all went down, don't give out anything that may help you in an appeal/re-trial.
As much as I want to know how deep the rabit hole goes, I personaly would rather see you get your life back.
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 10:55 pm |
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Eagleeye wrote: Cool, thanks for the Info.
BTW, even though we may be eager to find out details of what all went down, don't give out anything that may help you in an appeal/re-trial.
As much as I want to know how deep the rabit hole goes, I personaly would rather see you get your life back.
I'm looking for that also. Long with the satisfaction of seeing some lying lawbreaking POS brought to justice.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 12:05 am |
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Bladerunner2347 wrote:I'm looking for that also. Long with the satisfaction of seeing some lying lawbreaking POS brought to justice.
+1000 
Like I once told a friend "In the Dictionary under the Definition of FUBAR it should say (See The BATFE)"
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 12:12 am |
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Just in for those not following the topic on ar15.com, FMD just posted this.
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Posted By: FMD on AR15.com:
Had an interesting, two-hour long conversation with a Federal LEO based out of a Milwaukee office (works for one of those three-letter agencies, and knows the court personalities involved). Also spoke directly with Len Savage for roughly three hours after that.
Bladerunner, your IM box is full. The above should answer your last.
Before I post any more on the subject, I will be sending you an email with my thoughts (Which may take a few days - 5 hours talking with the individuals above gave me a huge perspective change).
Folks, I apologize for any confusion I may have caused by mentioning the AR15/M16/M16 modified to SP1 configuration parts. I did so
1) Because I couldn't say with certainty exactly what parts were installed in the gun and was hoping to educate some of you as to the distinct possibility of hammer follow with SA-only parts, and;
2) It really doesn't matter what parts came in the gun or who put them there based on the trial verdict... other than to put us all on notice that if the BATFE can get any gun to double under any circumstance, that gun is now (and evidently always has been) an unregistered MG.
As I now understand it, the gun at trial did, in fact, contain all four M16 components that the BATFE claimed it did (in new, seemingly unworn condition). It also had an AR15 carrier (non-shrouded firing pin), and what appeared to be a Diemaco LMG/LSW hammer spring. BATFE wouldn't pull the bolt/carrier assembly for Mr. Savage to inspect, but no outward wear marks could be seen anywhere on FCG parts.
PLEASE call anyone and everyone you can think of at the NRA to get them involved with the appeal, and let your congressman know he should be supporting HR 1791, The "Fairness in Firearms Testing" Act.
Anything else I have to add can wait for a bit.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 02:16 am |
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Eagleeye wrote: Just in for those not following the topic on ar15.com, FMD just posted this.
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Posted By: FMD on AR15.com:
Had an interesting, two-hour long conversation with a Federal LEO based out of a Milwaukee office (works for one of those three-letter agencies, and knows the court personalities involved). Also spoke directly with Len Savage for roughly three hours after that.
Bladerunner, your IM box is full. The above should answer your last.
Before I post any more on the subject, I will be sending you an email with my thoughts (Which may take a few days - 5 hours talking with the individuals above gave me a huge perspective change).
Folks, I apologize for any confusion I may have caused by mentioning the AR15/M16/M16 modified to SP1 configuration parts. I did so
1) Because I couldn't say with certainty exactly what parts were installed in the gun and was hoping to educate some of you as to the distinct possibility of hammer follow with SA-only parts, and;
2) It really doesn't matter what parts came in the gun or who put them there based on the trial verdict... other than to put us all on notice that if the BATFE can get any gun to double under any circumstance, that gun is now (and evidently always has been) an unregistered MG.
As I now understand it, the gun at trial did, in fact, contain all four M16 components that the BATFE claimed it did (in new, seemingly unworn condition). It also had an AR15 carrier (non-shrouded firing pin), and what appeared to be a Diemaco LMG/LSW hammer spring. BATFE wouldn't pull the bolt/carrier assembly for Mr. Savage to inspect, but no outward wear marks could be seen anywhere on FCG parts.
PLEASE call anyone and everyone you can think of at the NRA to get them involved with the appeal, and let your congressman know he should be supporting HR 1791, The "Fairness in Firearms Testing" Act.
Anything else I have to add can wait for a bit.
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FMD seems to quite an inside track on certain info. I appreciate your updates on his postings, Eagleeye.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 02:52 am |
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Just to let you know he was going to be our expert witness until we were able to get Mr. Savage. He was still kept in the loop on things, including things not made public, and made it to the last motion and sentencing hearing.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 05:47 am |
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Known that for a while now, been following this almost since it started.
And once again here is a link to the AR15 Topic on this.
Now up to page 78
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=507483&page=78
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 06:13 pm |
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Did the recording for the show at 9AM CT this morning. Seemed to go well. Mr. Pratt did most of the talking so I didn’t have to chew on my foot at all. You should already have a link to where the podcast will be put up. It should be there no later than Monday of next week. We are looking at doing more shows in the near future. Dates and times will be announced.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 07:33 pm |
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Might be an Idea to also try to get an interview on JFPO's Talkin to America Show.
Lenn Savage should be able to hook you up for that, hes been on it several times himself.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 02:27 am |
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HiramRanger on AR15.com just made an intresting observation for those who think either Mr Olofson or the idiot kid put those parts in.
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I pop into this thread once a day to try to keep abreast. What has me scratching my head is everybody thinks the kid who borrowed the rifle is an idiot. There is agreement that machine gun parts were in the rifle. There is disagreement as to who put the parts in the rifle. BR says it wasn't him. There seems to be a split whether ATF did it or not. A lot of folks think the kid did it. So my question is how would this idiot kid know to put a Diemaco (sp?) spring in the rifle when many people here who have much more knowledge wouldn't know to do that? Doesn't compute. Either the kid is clueless or he appears to have a much greater understanding of how an AR15/M16 rifle functions than we give him credit for.
The fact that a relatively rare spring that would facilitate the hammer follow is in the receiver seems to indicate to me that the clueless kid didn't swap parts. So that puts it back into play for either ATF or BR to have swapped the parts. Or am I just not understanding? Which is always possible.
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Darned good point!
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