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denwego
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 01:40 am |
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I went to New York two weeks ago to visit my brother, a fellow ex-pat Texan, and his girlfriend, who both go to school at SUNY New Paltz on the cusp of the Catskill mountains in upstate. My brother has the Texan philosophy on guns: the more and the bigger, the better. He applied for a CCW the day after he turned 21 this past February; a non-required NRA course and a very sympathetic Ulster County court means he'll, amazingly, almost certainly get an unrestricted lifetime license as soon as the 8-10 months of bureaucracy is finished. In the meantime, he still has his 12-gauge, his 30-30 Winchester, and his 10/22 Ruger to keep him occupied.
His girlfriend, however, is a native of Albany, and has always endured his owning any guns as a necessary evil and only barely tolerated it; she's refused to let him keep any guns in their bedroom if they're loaded and doesn't like him taking them out of his gun cabinet as a rule unless he's going shooting in Phoenicia. The past two days, I found out tonight, has turned her into the stereotypical adage that "an anti-gun advocate is a pro-gun advocate who hasn't been robbed yet."
On Tuesday, my brother came home from work around 7pm to find the front door of the apartment ajar and a few items missing: computer parts and some spare cash, but no missing TV/VCR/video game console, etc., nor any missing jewelry. However, when his girlfriend came home, she noticed that several pares of underwear were missing out of her dresser, which is a sickening experience if there can be one.
This morning, as they were eating breakfast, his girlfriend suddenly jumped up from the table, pointed at the kitchen window, and said, "There's someone in the bushes looking in at us!!" My brother turned to see him, grabbed the Winchester (I don't know why he went with that and not the shotgun, but it doesn't matter in the end), and he rushed outside to confront this guy while his girlfriend called the police. New York isn't a friendly state when it comes to lethal-force laws or citizens detaining suspects, but it turned out to be the move to make. When the police arrived, they found this guy had a 6-inch fillet knife, gloves, and a crowbar, the same tool used to jimmy the door open two days before. The guy was arrested, and while I haven't heard if they had found any of the stolen property, I can't believe that this would just be a coincidence and unrelated to missing underwear.
Of course, his girlfriend is deeply freaked out by this whole thing. Since then, she's come around to wanting to move to an apartment with no ground-level access without a key, wants the shotgun in the bedroom, and says the first day she has off work this week, she's going down to the Sheriff's office to file a CCW application herself; the sergeant on the scene said he'd forward a copy of the report for this labeling her as "the target of a potentially violent sexual deviant," which guarantees her all the more to get an unrestricted license herself.
I know ultimately a New York story isn't related to open carry, but it's the first time in my own lifetime's experience that a gun might have been the only thing that kept two people in my family from being killed. And the fact that a staunch New Yorker can be won over instantly to carrying something she aforetime hated gives hope to people in red states everywhere. The more lives that are saved by being prepared and armed, the harder it becomes for the remaining anti's to find ground to stand on.
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blk
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 01:51 am |
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There are no atheists in foxholes and no anti-gun types after they get robbed.
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unrequited
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 02:09 am |
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| Sucks that until you're the victim of a crime liek this, you'll have a hardass time in a non-shall issue state protecting yourself BEFORE it happens. : (
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BobCav
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 02:15 am |
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blk wrote: There are no atheists in foxholes and no anti-gun types after they get robbed.
+1 So very true...
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 02:29 am |
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denwego wrote: He applied for a CCW the day after he turned 21 this past February; a non-required NRA course and a very sympathetic Ulster County court means he'll, amazingly, almost certainly get an unrestricted lifetime license as soon as the 8-10 months of bureaucracy is finished.
Really? A raft of sanity in a sea of nonsense! I didn't know such a thing was even possible in NY.
Good thing your brother ready and equipped to deal with Mr. Fillet Knife. That's EXACTLY why we own and carry on a daily basis; textbook case. I agree about the shotgun, but what's more American than defending your family with a Winchester (weren't they made in NY until recently?).
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HankT
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 03:48 am |
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denwego wrote: Of course, his girlfriend is deeply freaked out by this whole thing. Since then, she's come around to wanting to move to an apartment with no ground-level access without a key, wants the shotgun in the bedroom, and says the first day she has off work this week, she's going down to the Sheriff's office to file a CCW application herself...
Paradigm shift...
It's amazing how the most unpopular idea can become popular all of a sudden.
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unrequited
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 05:29 am |
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HankT wrote:
Paradigm shift...
It's amazing how the most unpopular idea can become popular all of a sudden.
Maybe there's hope for you OC'ing yet?
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HankT
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 12:09 pm |
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unrequited wrote: HankT wrote:
Paradigm shift...
It's amazing how the most unpopular idea can become popular all of a sudden.
Maybe there's hope for you OC'ing yet?
I think that we've already established that I am definitely pro-OC. Only a few obstinate laggards seem resistant to that idea. 
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BB62
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 03:47 pm |
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denwego wrote: ... the sergeant on the scene said he'd forward a copy of the report for this labeling her as "the target of a potentially violent sexual deviant," which guarantees her all the more to get an unrestricted license herself...
I think you or your brother ought to remind her that it would be nice for her boyfriend to get a license too, but according to the laws of NY, written and supported by persons like her former self, it would not be "justified".
That way, maybe she will spread the news to her other friends that in order to get "justification" you (or yours) might just have to die or be seriously injured.Last edited on Fri Jun 29th, 2007 03:47 pm by BB62
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DT4E31
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Posted: Fri Jun 29th, 2007 09:29 pm |
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Interesting story. But, as an New Yorker, I would have to say that someone from Albany is considered an upstater and far more pro gun than a native New Yawker, i.e. someone from the city. I would like to hear a similiar story of switching teams by some manhattanite super liberal. A co worker of mine had his wallet stolen while in a manhattan eatery (all on video) He was with his elitest liberal g/f. Her response to the incident was one of pity for the "poor troubled soul" who had to resort to a life of crime. Maybe on day she be the target and then we shall see if she has an awakening.
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bohdi
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Posted: Fri Jul 6th, 2007 06:59 pm |
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HankT wrote: unrequited wrote: Maybe there's hope for you OC'ing yet?
I think that we've already established that I am definitely pro-OC. Only a few obstinate laggards seem resistant to that idea.
Being pro-OC in word/thought and actually OC'ing regularily are two very different things, but I digress
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ProguninTN
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 07:25 pm |
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Well I'm glad that your brother's girlfriend was converted, and that no one was harmed. I am sorry it had to be because of an incident.
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massltca
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 08:25 pm |
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| My wife used to ask me all the time why I carried my gun everywhere, but she has come around after a former friend threatened her, and now she asks if I have it with me whenever we go out. I live in Massachusetts and we have difficulties obtaining an LTC depending on the town you live in. Fortunately I had no problem obtaining an unrestricted LTC in both towns I applied in.
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