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yankees98a
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Posted: Sun Oct 7th, 2007 01:43 am |
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The cop is off duty. Why should he receieve specials rights when he is in the role of a citizen (not working) where regular citizens don't!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/nyregion/07shoot.html?ref=nyregion
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sun Oct 7th, 2007 06:12 am |
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Because you have the type of elected officials that you have.
I have one word for you to consider: BLOOMIE
Yata hey
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openryan
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Posted: Sun Oct 7th, 2007 01:03 pm |
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yankees98a wrote: The cop is off duty. Why should he receieve specials rights when he is in the role of a citizen (not working) where regular citizens don't!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/nyregion/07shoot.html?ref=nyregion
What is your problem here, him being able to carry a firearm?
If so, they go through much more rigorous background and mental eval's than even the hardest states to get a license perform on regular citizens, and I am not saying that it is right, but it is just their reasoning, if you don't like it, become a cop -- or vote.
I agree that we should ALL have the right to carry a firearm as long as we demonstrate responsibility and sound practices, but especially police in their line of duty do not make too many friends, some people just hate them, and some people hate them because of 'catching' them and will try to find them off duty, on the whole, I think police probably have one of the highest job related fatalities "off duty" but related to work, but I could be wrong, and certainly did not research that...
If I misunderstood you, please redirect me.
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ilbob
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Posted: Sun Oct 7th, 2007 03:47 pm |
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| Part of the reason for the special privileges is to bond the cops to the government hacks that hired them. if they didn't get special privileges, the job would just be a job, and cops might be inclined to just move on when they didn't like what was going on. the special perks tend to keep them in the group.
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openryan
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Posted: Sun Oct 7th, 2007 04:01 pm |
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ilbob wrote: Part of the reason for the special privileges is to bond the cops to the government hacks that hired them. if they didn't get special privileges, the job would just be a job, and cops might be inclined to just move on when they didn't like what was going on. the special perks tend to keep them in the group. Too bad personal protection is now a perk! 
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IdahoCorsair
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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 04:24 pm |
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openryan wrote: yankees98a wrote: The cop is off duty. Why should he receieve specials rights when he is in the role of a citizen (not working) where regular citizens don't!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/nyregion/07shoot.html?ref=nyregion
What is your problem here, him being able to carry a firearm?
If so, they go through much more rigorous background and mental eval's than even the hardest states to get a license perform on regular citizens, and I am not saying that it is right, but it is just their reasoning, if you don't like it, become a cop -- or vote.
I agree that we should ALL have the right to carry a firearm as long as we demonstrate responsibility and sound practices, but especially police in their line of duty do not make too many friends, some people just hate them, and some people hate them because of 'catching' them and will try to find them off duty, on the whole, I think police probably have one of the highest job related fatalities "off duty" but related to work, but I could be wrong, and certainly did not research that...
If I misunderstood you, please redirect me. Then it's not a RIGHT, but a priviledge.
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DKSuddeth
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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 07:39 pm |
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because if a NORMAL citizen would have been packing, there would have been a total massacre of dozens of innocent bystanders due to all the crossfire. 
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.40 Cal
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Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 04:17 pm |
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| They need to train their cops a little better. Put the right person on the trigger and the would-be killer would be dead. It disgusts me to think that more places are using NY city as an example of the effective use of gun control. As one man put it, "gun control is holding your gun with both hands!" Last edited on Thu Oct 18th, 2007 04:29 pm by .40 Cal
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Posted: Tue Nov 20th, 2007 05:09 pm |
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Seems to me NY needs to ban those kitchen knives  .
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Smurfologist
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 08:56 pm |
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DKSuddeth wrote: because if a NORMAL citizen would have been packing, there would have been a total massacre of dozens of innocent bystanders due to all the crossfire.
......Or, cops would have shot at the criminal 54 times just to hit him 19 times...... And, your point is?!?
2nd Amendment..........Use it.........Or, lose it!!
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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 09:43 pm |
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Because they think the cops there are so much better than regular people. And have you ever seen those NY cops shoot? they really suck. I know some 13 year olds that do better than that.
They better get their heads out of their you know whats and make it a shall issue state.
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DT4E31
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:53 am |
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If you check the article 265 of the NYS Penal Law, you will see that police officers and peace officers are exempt from certain laws in article 265 (weapons possession)
That is why off duty cops can carry, considering that they put their life on the live to protect others...........why not?
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abrink
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 03:00 am |
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DT4E31 wrote: If you check the article 265 of the NYS Penal Law, you will see that police officers and peace officers are exempt from certain laws in article 265 (weapons possession)
That is why off duty cops can carry, considering that they put their life on the live to protect others...........why not?
OK i get that but why cant ordinary citizens carry?
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vmathis12019
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 03:10 am |
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Because we're immature, irresponsible, and otherwise incapable of effectively and safely behaving ourselves with weapons in public.
(The real reason is that by disarming the public, you create a power differential; one that those in power wish to keep in existence in order to maintain their own levels of power and security.)
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vmathis12019
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 03:10 am |
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Because we're immature, irresponsible, and otherwise incapable of effectively and safely behaving ourselves with weapons in public.
(The real reason is that by disarming the public, you create a power differential; one that those in power wish to keep in existence in order to maintain their own levels of power and security.)
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 04:05 pm |
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These People Put Their Lives On The Line for us poor slobs, even though we can't tell them not to bother and have to pay them whether we like it or not, so they should be allowed lots of special priviledges and rights.
Any employee of the State is more important than you are, and should get special stuff that you can't have. That's how things work in a free country, isn't it?
What's your problem with that?
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abrink
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 04:31 pm |
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Tomahawk wrote: These People Put Their Lives On The Line for us poor slobs, even though we can't tell them not to bother and have to pay them whether we like it or not, so they should be allowed lots of special priviledges and rights.
Any employee of the State is more important than you are, and should get special stuff that you can't have. That's how things work in a free country, isn't it?
What's your problem with that?
OK i agree that cops should have some special rights that maybe ordinary people cant have. I dont believe the right to defend yourself is one of them. Everyone should have the right to defend themselves.
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 04:43 pm |
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| I was being sarcastic! Geez, I guess I'm losing my edge.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 04:46 pm |
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Tomahawk wrote: I was being sarcastic! Geez, I guess I'm losing my edge.
lol... Well u wrote a lot so i thought u were serious
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 05:38 pm |
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Speaking of NY cops, this ought to make us all feel safer.
And on topic, this quote seems applicable to the subject of special rights for government employees:
Beneficium accipere libertatem est vendere - To accept a favour is to sell freedom. (Publilius Syrus)
Last edited on Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 05:43 pm by Tomahawk
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