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stevemis
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 Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 12:56 pm
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I OC'd there last night, with my Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail (1911).  There were about 4 employees there.  One was a 40-ish blonde skinny lady... she was probably the manager (different shirt) and was counting the cash drawer after I sat down.  She kind of gave me a dirty look as I walked in.  The other was a really nice fellow who just moved from Texas to go to the Baptist Seminary.  We chatted about guns for a good while... he had to sell his guns in order to live in the Seminary housing, and he and his wife are looking to move off site and replace their toys.  He's 30 and was an armorer in the military and knew all about 1911's and M9's.  He also has his TX CHP and we talked about what was involved in getting one here.

Overall it was a nice experience, but I could certainly see the manager lady wasn't too thrilled about me being there.

This was the Arby's on Capital just South of 540, across the street from Circuit City and Best Buy, K-Mart, etc.

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 Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 06:54 pm
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stevemis wrote: Sue them.  After you've won or settled, invest a couple of bucks in a nice Desert Eagle for open carry.  Preferably chrome or gold plated.  You'll also want a nice leather holster and a chiropractor on retainerwhile you think you are joking

I have a friend of mine back in the day ...when we both 1st got our ccw in georgia

wonder why he got all sorts of looks even carring concealed..(like that was possible)


Picture this if you will    5ft 140# dude with a pretty good build carring a chrome 50 cal desert eagle in a vertical shoulder rig..(nope i wouldn't stare)


the gun was as big as he was (we all told him he had a napoleon complex)

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 Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 03:17 pm
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stevemis wrote: I OC'd there last night, with my Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail (1911).  There were about 4 employees there.  One was a 40-ish blonde skinny lady... she was probably the manager (different shirt) and was counting the cash drawer after I sat down.  She kind of gave me a dirty look as I walked in.  The other was a really nice fellow who just moved from Texas to go to the Baptist Seminary.  We chatted about guns for a good while... he had to sell his guns in order to live in the Seminary housing, and he and his wife are looking to move off site and replace their toys.  He's 30 and was an armorer in the military and knew all about 1911's and M9's.  He also has his TX CHP and we talked about what was involved in getting one here.

Overall it was a nice experience, but I could certainly see the manager lady wasn't too thrilled about me being there.

This was the Arby's on Capital just South of 540, across the street from Circuit City and Best Buy, K-Mart, etc.

That's the one, and the manager that called on me. I think she is just an anti-gunner that called 911 to screw with me. The police stopped me one light  down from Arby's. Glad she didn't call on you. I have complained to managment as I believe she was just using the police to harass.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 03:54 pm
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Gotcha.  I suspect the only reason she didn't freak out is because the other employee and I engaged in a good, long conversation.  I suspect, without him around, things would have turned out differently.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 06:26 pm
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What the heck are they teaching in these Police Academies?

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Custodian wrote: What the heck are they teaching in these Police Academies?


Well after sitting down with an Lieutenant, Sgt and a roadside detention involving 5 officers and a watch commander I would suggest training needs much improvement.

They really don't have a clue what reasonable articulable suspicion is, are ignorant of what the Supreme Court said in FLA. v JL , AND BELIEVE THEY CAN MAKE UP THEIR OWN LAWS. They just assume citizens will not know their rights or will be easily intimidated.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 28th, 2008 10:40 pm
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I would sure like to get a update on what is going on in this case.

NCH

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 Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 02:00 pm
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Letter from Raleigh Internal Affairs unit  informing me of the Formal investigation they have started. I have selected an attorney specializing in Constitutional law and will be litigating the matter if the police department refuses to correct itself from within.

That is what Judicial review is for, and I promise you they will get just that if they don't correct the officers involved and issue a training bulletin department wide.

I will keep you advised as things progress.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 4th, 2009 10:58 pm
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Thanks for the update.

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 Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 06:22 am
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Any updates on this?

Thanks!

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 10:47 pm
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Does anyone have a real definition of what "reasonable articulable suspicion" is?  I have the general idea, but just curious if there's a black and white explanation.  Thanks.

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 Posted: Thu Feb 12th, 2009 08:43 pm
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JohnHoliday wrote: Any updates on this?

Thanks!
Nothing as of yet. I'm still open carrying EVERYDAY and have had no other problems since the original incident. The attorney I have spoken with was really shocked that this occurred.


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 Posted: Thu Feb 12th, 2009 09:08 pm
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The Bill Proposal has been posted. 

Go to: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum41/21971.html for the discussion.

Go to: http://www.ncopc.org/site/2009/campaigns.html for the Bill Proposal.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 24th, 2009 03:42 am
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I'm curious if you have an update on this? Is the investigation still ongoing? What the officers did was clearly WAY out of line.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 26th, 2009 03:21 pm
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This is one more indicator that Raleigh has become just another East Coast City, populated by refugees from that clavern of Ghetto Wrap above the Mason Dixon.

Hiring more local cops would go a long way. However, when the city council, and that spineless lawn creeper, winner of the Herman Goring Lookalike contest Charles  Meeker, and his comical sidekick Jim West, keep relying on their manager to hire the most liberal diconnected nut bags for chief, what do you expect?

AMF

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 Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 05:55 am
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No carry permit! First of all if I stopped you and you had That kind of an attitude ,I would give you a very hard time. I am A retired trooper . Have you ever had a knife in your face or a shotgun pointed at you and the perp is serious. It's scary. These officers recieved a complaint from some sheeple that didn't know how to behave because the govt. wasn't holding their hand.  They were doing the job you pay them to do. When you come up with an attitude, they are going to respond. Let me suggest to you that if it happens again, your best option is Yes sir , no sir , thank you sir. You will see that  all will go smoothly, and you will be on your way.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 06:19 am
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dexcop wrote: No carry permit! First of all if I stopped you and you had That kind of an attitude ,I would give you a very hard time. I am A retired trooper . Have you ever had a knife in your face or a shotgun pointed at you and the perp is serious. It's scary. These officers recieved a complaint from some sheeple that didn't know how to behave because the govt. wasn't holding their hand.  They were doing the job you pay them to do. When you come up with an attitude, they are going to respond. Let me suggest to you that if it happens again, your best option is Yes sir , no sir , thank you sir. You will see that  all will go smoothly, and you will be on your way.

I'm sorry but did I miss the examples in this post about No Carry Permit's poor attitude? Please enlighten us. I think all he did was ask why he was being detained. Please cite the example(s) on this post where he had a bad or ill attitude other than changing his opinion about the RPD after this incident.

Thank you sir.:lol:

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Problem with the site is corrupting post when I spell check, I will repost once this problem is corrected.

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dexcop wrote: No carry permit! First of all if I stopped you and you had That kind of an attitude ,I would give you a very hard time. I am A retired trooper . Have you ever had a knife in your face or a shotgun pointed at you and the perp is serious. It's scary. These officers recieved a complaint from some sheeple that didn't know how to behave because the govt. wasn't holding their hand.  They were doing the job you pay them to do. When you come up with an attitude, they are going to respond. Let me suggest to you that if it happens again, your best option is Yes sir , no sir , thank you sir. You will see that  all will go smoothly, and you will be on your way.
This is the typical Excuse for every JACK BOOTED THUG! That is the THEM AND US MENTALITY,  We FIRST must be able to ARTICULATE WHY the party was stopped. And WE BEST MAKE DAMN SURE THAT WE HAVE A LEGAL REASON TO DO SO, NOT A FISHING TRIP. As you are retired you no longer have to care. But remember you are now just a citizen like the rest of us. OH! I get it, you now FLASH that RETIRED BADGE WHEN YOU ASK FOR CONSIDERATION!


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