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thompsongunner06
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 01:07 pm |
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1st: Lawyer was paid by PBA(union)
2nd: He sucked! All he cared about was getting into politics(Sen Ken Stollie)
3rd: Never had any "problems" since and dont plan on any!
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 01:21 pm |
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thompsongunner06 wrote: Over 15 yrs ago I was an officer in Va area,,,Had scumbags vandalising my home,,,I went to make an arrest(off duty) and the lovely "kids" tried to run me over and when I hit the car my firearm went off,,did not hit anyone. Well my police dept charged ME with a crime,,,I was so over them not standing behind officers that my laywer had the FELONY charge reduced to a class 1 Misd,,,I resigned and moved to NC. 15 yrs later I do all the stuff to CC(I own my business and make cash deposites at night,,sometimes) and submitt all to local Sherrif Dept. Comes back turned down,,,reason the original "felony" charge is still(and will always be) in the NCIC,,,,Per him I can buy all I want,possess all firearms I want and can OC. Per lawyer in VA the original charge can never be removed???
thompsongunner06 wrote: Per the Lawyer,,I took his advice,,,,never again. I should have fought to the end but oh well,,I saw what thay did to police officers,,,rake them over the coals,,will not back them etc,,,,,,I regret it every day and have prob had a better life since quiting. What pisses me off the most was there was no intent for me to commit a crime,,the vandels tried to run an officer over and they did not even get charged!
What was the specific felony charge, originally?
There's something off about your general account. Can you fill in the details of the vandalizing/shooting event? What were they vandalizing? How many? How old?
You said that you "hit the car." Did they hit you? Were you on foot? Was there any alcohol involved?
How did the gun "go off?" Did you have your finger on the trigger or was it a firearm malfunction?
What exactly happened?
thompsongunner06 wrote:
Never had a Felony conviction,,,,charge was reduced to a class 1 misd. My lawyer(choke choke) pled it down and I offered to resign my job($35,000 yr pay).On the application form it asked for any felony convictions and and history for past 5 years,,,I said "no" truthfully. I think I might appeal it and try it on my own. That will cost me $0.00 but time. It really seems like BS since this was 15 years ago and no problems since. Might see if I can take some personal references to court with me.
It sounds like perhaps your offering to resign was part of the negotiated resolution to the incident. Possibly it is the factor why the state allowed reduction of the felony charge.
Why did you offer to resign?
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thompsongunner06
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 01:36 pm |
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I was at home off duty.
As I was moving to avoid being run over my arm hit the passenger side of car,thus my firearm discharged.I was embaressed that I didnt get a tag number so I did not inform my discharge(my mistake). I could have fired into engine to prove I was in front of car. I think their story was I just came shooting at them. My wife could have also been a witness.
I was over the police dept and saw other officers get rail roaded.
The Da gave plea to my lawyer,,Lawyer said if I resigned they would reduce to class 1 misd.
I should have said Hell NO.
No alcohol on my part,,,kids,I dont know.
They tore up most of neighborhood. I should have fought and had everyone on my street in court.
After my incident the PD went to DA only Smith & Wessons
Last edited on Tue Aug 25th, 2009 01:38 pm by thompsongunner06
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 01:52 pm |
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thompsongunner06 wrote: I was at home off duty.
As I was moving to avoid being run over my arm hit the passenger side of car,thus my firearm discharged.I was embaressed that I didnt get a tag number so I did not inform my discharge(my mistake). I could have fired into engine to prove I was in front of car. I think their story was I just came shooting at them. My wife could have also been a witness.
I was over the police dept and saw other officers get rail roaded.
The Da gave plea to my lawyer,,Lawyer said if I resigned they would reduce to class 1 misd.
I should have said Hell NO.
No alcohol on my part,,,kids,I dont know.
They tore up most of neighborhood. I should have fought and had everyone on my street in court.
After my incident the PD went to DA only Smith & Wessons
What was the specific felony charge, originally?
What were they vandalizing? How many? How old?
When you signed the agreement, which included your voluntary resignation, did you also agree not to appeal the agreement later in time?
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thompsongunner06
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 02:02 pm |
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Shooting at an occupied car.
Car full,,,3 or 4 They were 18 or so. Tore up mail boxs(mine too),,trash cans over turned,,trash bags drug every where,,general petty stuff.
Do not remember such statement.
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 02:12 pm |
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thompsongunner06 wrote: Shooting at an occupied car.
Car full,,,3 or 4 They were 18 or so. Tore up mail boxs(mine too),,trash cans over turned,,trash bags drug every where,,general petty stuff.
Do not remember such statement.
Did the bullet hit the car?
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 02:21 pm |
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Yes as my arm was hit my hand twisted and gun fired,,bullet hit car door in a down ward angle,,,bullet was not able to be ID to my gun,,,,Like I said I should have fought it. I prob had a 99.9 % chance of winning.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 02:37 pm |
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thompsongunner06 wrote: Yes as my arm was hit my hand twisted and gun fired,,bullet hit car door in a down ward angle,,,bullet was not able to be ID to my gun,,,,Like I said I should have fought it. I prob had a 99.9 % chance of winning.
I think you might be succumbing to the temptation of revisionism....
Sorry, TG, I can't find the rationale for pulling out the ole pistola on this one. Three or four (you don't know how many?) hooligans in a car running over some mail boxes and moving some trash around into the wrong places does not require a firearm to be deployed. The gun deployment was the source of all your troubles...
Pick the wrong tool, and the job gets botched. Good peepers and methodical/accurate observation were the needed tools on this one.
Further, we only have your account (fairly open, after a few questions) and you're just one side of it. My experience has been that cops LOVE to protect their own--if there is even a shred of a distorted rationale to do so.
I wish you luck, but I estimate you will probably have to stick to the less stringently-regulated world of OC. At least you have that.
Until, that is, some regulators start proposing application ofCC licensing principles to OC. Which, inevitably will happen.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 02:54 pm |
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First,,I did not know of all the vandalism(of neighborhood) till later,,,Second I saw 3 in car,,if there was a 4th so what,,,third I was not in uniform so I had my badge in left hand,firearm in right hand,,,fourth I was making an arrest,,,sure it was a misd on my property,,,fifth, you dont pull a nightstick to make an arrest,,,I could have shot and killed the driver(attempting to run over/kill an officer) but I did not want to over a vandalism crime. I also could have shot the engine comp and that would have proved I was in front of the car. Sure all you have is my side,,sorry the scumbags are not here to tell their side. There are several ways this could have gone,,,let them get away with crime,,laff about it,,,,get in my car and follow them and have a marked car pull them,,,try to get the tag number(in the dark) and give to my fellow officers. I admit I handled it wrong,,,so I resigned. The lawyer should have said resigne with no crim charge. That would have been better for me in the long run.
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 03:00 pm |
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thompsongunner06 wrote: First,,I did not know of all the vandalism(of neighborhood) till later,,,Second I saw 3 in car,,if there was a 4th so what,,,third I was not in uniform so I had my badge in left hand,firearm in right hand,,,fourth I was making an arrest,,,sure it was a misd on my property,,,fifth, you dont pull a nightstick to make an arrest,,,I could have shot and killed the driver(attempting to run over/kill an officer) but I did not want to over a vandalism crime. I also could have shot the engine comp and that would have proved I was in front of the car. Sure all you have is my side,,sorry the scumbags are not here to tell their side. There are several ways this could have gone,,,let them get away with crime,,laff about it,,,,get in my car and follow them and have a marked car pull them,,,try to get the tag number(in the dark) and give to my fellow officers. I admit I handled it wrong,,,so I resigned. The lawyer should have said resigne with no crim charge. That would have been better for me in the long run.
I empathize with your situation. You seem like a reasonable and good guy.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 03:19 pm |
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Thanks Hank,,,15 years latter with no other criminal problems should tell the Sherrif that it was a 1 time thing. Some people get wiser with age.I got a 100 on CC class and a 95 on my target(damn wind!). Clean record(1 speeding ticket 4 yrs ago). Most cops ask me about firearms and ammo since I do unarmed security and work close with police officers. Also a Vol fireman for the past 8+ yrs so I do have community service too( and a life saving award from the prior Sherrif). Honorable Discharge Discharge from the Army and a medel of Valor from VBPD for a shoot out(saving an officer from rifle fire). I do think that since I was in a shoot out(cleared by IA) they found a way to get rid of an officer that was in a shooting and that way they dont have officers with shooting history's that the press can use in a negative way. I just did my 1st OC to the bank(left it in the car) and the grocery store,,,,No problems.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 06:44 am |
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mekender wrote: being charged with a felony or convicted of a violent misdemeanor (other than a DV charge) is not grounds for denial of a CCH under NC state law...
I think you are mistaken. Section 14‑415.12 (b) (8) covers any misdemeanor crime of violence. If you look up all the statutes they have referenced, it covers basically everything.
Is or has been adjudicated guilty of or received a prayer for judgment continued or suspended sentence for one or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 12:05 pm |
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NC,,,,PM sent,,,I requested a non res application,,,so looks like all I do is fill it out get noterized,,submit application with gun safety class or hunting course,,,fingerprint card and 100 bucks. Then I can by pass the sherrif here. Since I do go to Va/Chesp/Norfolk area alot this might be the charm!
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 09:46 pm |
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Good deal. Glad I was able to help.
FYI Check out the reciprocity map at
http://www.usacarry.com/virginia_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
You can print out the map.Last edited on Sat Oct 31st, 2009 09:47 pm by NCjones
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Posted: Sun Nov 1st, 2009 07:10 am |
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I call BULL@#$% to your story....You committed a CRIME and your fellow officers know it.....How does your gun accidentally discharge?...You shot at them...plain and simple....its over now just admit it.... You had the "how dare you I'm a cop" attitude....Be glad you can carry at all....some innocent bystander could have been killed...
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Posted: Sun Nov 1st, 2009 11:23 am |
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Call BS all you want pal,,,as they tried to run me down my gun did go off as my hand hit the top of the car,,it went in a downward angle from top of door to the bottom,almost going out at the road,,,kinda hard to say I was aming at someone isint it? BTW who are you? Where you there?? Are you the scumbags that almost killed me in front of my kids?? Also to commit a crime you have to have a MOTIVE,,I admitted to the accidental discharge,,,,they admitted to their crime,as small as it may be,,,but they were not charged with any of them. I should have picked 12 people and they would have never convicted me,,I did not start any thing.
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Posted: Sun Nov 1st, 2009 06:53 pm |
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muccione wrote: I call BULL@#$% to your story....You committed a CRIME and your fellow officers know it.....How does your gun accidentally discharge?...You shot at them...plain and simple....its over now just admit it.... You had the "how dare you I'm a cop" attitude....Be glad you can carry at all....some innocent bystander could have been killed...
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 12:31 am |
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thompsongunner06 wrote: Gonna put application in for my C&R FFL license,,,Once I have that I will take sherrif to court,,,also gonna go see the Va Beach police chief,,he was a captain when I was there. He was a pretty good guy then. Will see if we can re open case and drop it all after 15 yrs of no problems. I was turned down for a Census job because of this. I am being treated like a convicted fellon.
I just have to say that this really SUCKS, and I am sorry that you have to go through such BS..... It is a shame that they spend so much time denying your application, when you are in a "Shall Issue" state and meet all the requirements.....
When did this become NY??
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 12:00 pm |
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Paper work submitted,,,,will post results when received.
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 02:04 am |
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| Good to hear it. I just got my New Hampshire permit in the mail. Now I have a VA and NH non res permit. I'm going to apply for the FLA next. When i get stopped, I can just hand the officer a deck of cards and tell him to take his pick! LOL
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