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JSlack7851
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 12:49 am |
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Where did you get your information Jones? Your computer at work? A crime of violence? I would like more details than that. 2004? thats over 5 years ago. Whats he done lately except make a fool out of a bully? You can tell us all you want now, but whats gonna matter is what the jury decides. In his video I saw nothing illegal except a police officer put his hand on his weapon. (aggravated menacing) LEO are supposed to uphold the law not make it up as they go. We will see what happens in a year or two after the criminal and civil cases are completed. I've followed several cases where LEO arrest someone with all kinds of trumped up charges, its gonna be up to the jury to decied. What I would like to see is more LEO held accountable for their actions. Of all the cases where LEO are conspiring as too what charges to get the guy on,(b/c they know they screwed up), they just never know when the voice recorder, dash cam, cell phone, or the civilian video camera is running. How LEO got a search warrent on a case like this is shady too. More trumped up evidence? I'm sure it will come out in discovery. Sounds more like LEO trying to make a example of this guy. Is it possable the Judge was given false information about 'why' he should issue a search warrent? Well see .....More to come, Every body should follow this thread.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 01:08 am |
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I'm sure you are right.
We'll see how it unfolds. Maybe there is something more to the story than waht you are being told. You got a couple of minutes of video from an incident and you based your opinion of that video and one side of the story from the suspect.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 01:39 am |
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JSlack7851 wrote: ...Is it possable the Judge was given false information about 'why' he should issue a search warrent? Well see .....More to come, Every body should follow this thread.
There's some insight...
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 03:05 am |
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Jones, did you delete evidence? Your whole post is GONE.... Are you a LEO close to this case? Are you using a Police computer to check the OP's personal information , on duty?
Someone from OC.ORG should retreve that post by Mr. Jones and save it for a possable criminal / civil suit.
Jones? How did you find out about his conviction 5 years ago for violence? How do you know that was the reason he was denyed his CC permit? On a Sunday night?
This is just the kind of LEO action I think that LEO need held accountable for.. Jail for BAD COPS!
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 04:54 am |
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criminal records are public information and can easily be searched at the clerk of courts office. Often they are online too, in the case of guilford county, you have to get them from a 3rd party pay site, but in many other counties they are free.
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NCjones
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:01 am |
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JSlack7851 wrote:
Jones, did you delete evidence? Your whole post is GONE.... Are you a LEO close to this case? Are you using a Police computer to check the OP's personal information , on duty?
Someone from OC.ORG should retreve that post by Mr. Jones and save it for a possable criminal / civil suit.
Jones? How did you find out about his conviction 5 years ago for violence? How do you know that was the reason he was denyed his CC permit? On a Sunday night?
This is just the kind of LEO action I think that LEO need held accountable for.. Jail for BAD COPS!
Dude, you are WAY too paranoid. Have you taken your meds today?
I am not a LEO and have no access to any information not available to the public.
To answer your question, I don't know that he ever applied for a CHP. Don't know him, never met him. I just know he acted like an idiot on the video.
"Sounds more like LEO trying to make a example of this guy." I just can't agree. The guy was armed at an abortion clinic protest. Just because you don't carry a sign or scream at passersby doesn't mean it isn't a protest. I'm not pro-abortion, but I can understand the alarm to someone who is going into a clinic and there stands this nut with a gun and he won't even ID himself to police.
Tell me, just what exactly do you expect a police officer to do when he gets a call that there is a man with a gun? I don't think it is unreasonable for the cop to ask the guy his name and ask him why he is there. Put yourself in the clinics employees place for an second. If there was some guy basically loitering outside your place of work with a gun for no apparent reason wouldn't you want the cops to check him out?
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:23 am |
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JSlack7851 I've read these stories for years now. In NC a permit is not required to OC. It is guaranteed by the second amendment and probably the Constitution of the Great State of North Carolina. Just like it is in Ohio. A LEO Needs 'reasonable articulation' (terry vs. Ohio) to suspect a crime is being comitted, is about to be, and so on and so on in order to ask for ID. Openly carrying is not a crime, a Federal Judge in Arizona just ruled that LEO cannot use that for a excuse (ya, excuse), to question LAC. Jim Penn wasn't driving a car so the officer had no right to ask him for his Drivers License. Like you said, you didn't find any information not available to the public, but your not public, are you? There was no "MWAG" call and your hero had no reason to harass the camera man. Except he was exercising his second amendment right to KABA. This, IMO, trumps state law. The Jury will decide.
Jones, did you delete evidence? Your whole post is GONE.... Most of your posts are gone......I think you missed one though, you better go back and check. The grand jury will.
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NCjones
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:10 am |
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JSlack7851 wrote:
JSlack7851 I've read these stories for years now. In NC a permit is not required to OC.
BUT IT IS PROHIBITED AT ABORTION CLINICS AND DEMONSTRATIONS PER NC STATUTE.
It is guaranteed by the second amendment and probably the Constitution of the Great Stat of North Carolina.
BUT IT IS PROHIBITED AT ABORTION CLINICS AND DEMONSTRATIONS PER NC STATUTE.
Just like it is in Ohio.
I WOULDNT KNOW. NEVER BEEN UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE IN OHIO.
A LEO Needs 'reasonable articulation' (terry vs. Ohio) to suspect a crime is being comitted, is about to be, and so on and so on in order to ask for ID.
DON'T KNOW. I AM NOT A LAWYER. BUT I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHETHER A MAN WITH A GUN AT AN ABORTION CLINIC PROTEST, IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW, IS REASONOABLE SUSPICION THAT A CRIME HAS, OR WILL BE COMITTED.
Openly carrying is not a crime,
BUT IT IS PROHIBITED AT ABORTION CLINICS AND DEMONSTRATIONS PER NC STATUTE.
a Federal Judge in Arizona just ruled that LEO cannot use that for a excuse (ya, excuse), to question LAC.
DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT A LAWYER.
Jim Penn wasn't driving a car so the officer had no right to ask him for his Drivers License.
SURE HE DID. NOTHING PREVENTS A COP FROM WALKING UP TO YOU ON THE STREET AND ASKING TO SEE YOUR DL, OR LIBRARY CARD, OR BIRTH CERTIFICATE. BUT TERRY V OHIO SAYS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE IT, AND CANNOT BE ARRESTED FOR REFUSING TO SHOW IT.
Like you said, you didn't find any information not available to the public, but your not public, are you?
AGAIN, YOU'RE PARANOID. I'M NOT A COP.
There was no "MWAG" call and your hero had no reason to harass the camera man.
EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT HANDGUNS ARE PROHIBITED AT ABORTION CLINICS AND DEMONSTRATIONS PER NC STATUTE.
Except he was exercising his second amendment right to KABA.
THIS ARGUMENT HAS NEVER HELD UP IN COURT. BESIDES, WEAPONS ARE PROHIBITED AT ABORTION CLINICS AND DEMONSTRATIONS PER NC STATUTE.
This, IMO, trumps state law. The Jury will decide.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE VERDICT.
Jones, did you delete evidence?
TAKE ANOTHER XANEX.
Your whole post is GONE....
I THOUGHT I MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE HARD ON THE GUY. I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES TO EDIT YOUR POST OR CHANGE YOUR MIND.
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:31 am |
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he was not at the abortion clinic. He wasn't on abortion clinic property. Your the only one deleting evidence, what ya got better than zanax? You better take it. LOL
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 12:50 pm |
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I just had to say, this is why you don't ask stupid questions like "am I required to have ID" because (a) you sound like you don't know your rights and (b) the officer could say yes.
I like refusing to put the phone up.
I like the am I under arrest/being detained.
I like refusing to show ID and asking if you are driving a vehicle.
You sir, have guts and guts are enough.
I would have told him you don't need to see my ID or know how old I am, of course hindsight is 20/20.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 04:28 pm |
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Edit/delete every one of your posts, nice NCJones. Who are you trying to hide from?
I vote that the mods should restore everyone of his posts!
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Juggernaut
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:36 pm |
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This is getting a lot of attention:
http://tinyurl.com/y9khqah
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 07:56 pm |
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JSlack7851 wrote:
he was not at the abortion clinic. He wasn't on abortion clinic property. Your the only one deleting evidence, what ya got better than zanax? You better take it. LOL
Like the investigator says, the law says nothing to property lines. And he was present at an abortion clinic protest.
You should be concerned at the way this loser is representing you, the gun owner, rather than arguing over where the property line is or isn't. All over the news everyone is seeing this story and thinking, "oh, another one of those squirrely gun nuts." Have you visited any of the other news forums? Looks like your guy is already proven guilty of being a "gun nit on the loose at an abortion clinic" in the eyes of the public, and he didn't have to fire a shot to do it.
Let's just quit arguing over it and see what the outcome is. Then you can apologize to me. I promise not to say "I TOLD YOU SO."
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 01:59 am |
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Before JRP arrived the cop was telling those present they were trespassing. They were on private property and not trespassing.
The cops told JRP to stop video taping. Video taping is not illegal.
The cop told JRP he had to show ID. You don't have to show ID in NC.
JRP asked if he was being detained. The cop walked away and never answered.
So, what is the resisting an officer charge all about? He was never detained so how could he resist?
There was no protest, parade, or demonstration. They were not on public property. They were not on abortion clinic/medical facility property.
So, I really do not think they will be able to make that charge stick.
Then they humiliated him by searching his home. According to cops they found a loaded rifle and the safety was not on. So they charged him with child endangerment or some crap charge.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 02:07 am |
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kwikrnu wrote: According to cops they found a loaded rifle and the safety was not on. So they charged him with child endangerment or some crap charge.
jp49911: the safety was on and the gun wasn’t where his 8-month-old daughter could reach it.
police: a fully loaded assault rifle found on a bedroom floor with the safety not engaged
Who is legally allowed to lie and practically never get charged for perjury? Oh yeah, the police.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 02:10 am |
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Basically he bitch-slapped the GPD....Now they are going to make @#$% up to show "we are the police and we are the law" This is how we prove it......Good luck bro....Get ready to give them a PIMP-slap......
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 04:36 am |
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Just how do LEO have any creditability in court? They lie, they conspire to figure out 'what to charge him with',(rDigital, Ohio). They shoot homeowners in the back (Arizona 09-2008) and are exonerated.... How do we let this Shi_t Happen with out accountability?
I believe this is the threat our forefather warned us about when they wrote the Second Amendment.
kwikrnu wrote: Before JRP arrived the cop was telling those present they were trespassing. They were on private property and not trespassing.
The cops told JRP to stop video taping. Video taping is not illegal.
The cop told JRP he had to show ID. You don't have to show ID in NC.
JRP asked if he was being detained. The cop walked away and never answered.
So, what is the resisting an officer charge all about? He was never detained so how could he resist?
There was no protest, parade, or demonstration. They were not on public property. They were not on abortion clinic/medical facility property.
So, I really do not think they will be able to make that charge stick.
Then they humiliated him by searching his home. According to cops they found a loaded rifle and the safety was not on. So they charged him with child endangerment or some crap charge.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 01:30 am |
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What are the police claiming justified a search warrant int he first place?
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 04:53 am |
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Good question to ask the reporter. I'm sure a E Mail will do, put the bug in his/her ear. Up to now the reporter hasn't a clue. Open carriers unite, put a bug in Ryan's ear.
Contact Ryan Seals at 373-7077 or ryan.seals@news-record.com
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Write the Reporter that covered the story, ask the tough question. This could be you or me....
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 01:56 am |
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kwikrnu wrote: The laws cited say no carry on PUBLIC PROPERTY or upon MEDICAL FACILITY PROPERTY if protesting or demonstrating.
#1 This man was not on public property.
#2 This man was not upon medical facility property.
AMEN, +100000000000
jp49911, good luck with this. We met at Prissy Polly's at the OC event (am the one who brought the 454 casull ).
This post that I have quoted to me makes the only two points needed.
You stood up for your rights and didn't allow them to unlawfully detain you or just create laws by intimidating you. BRAVO!!!!!
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