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marine dad
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 01:28 am |
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quote:
"and while i may have left out some of the details"......... unquote
sorry guys, i had about 30 teenagers in my house last night when my friend was telling me all this, so i did miss many details, im sure. i will attempt to get more info for those curious. my friend realized he really screwed up, i'm sure, and made the statement to me that had he intentionally tried to do this, he would never have been able to. as for the cc in that area, i assume that he, like many others, chooses to be responsible for his own well-being, no matter what.
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marine dad
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 02:12 am |
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| ok, i have a few more details now. my friend stated that he was carrying a small pull behind case as a carry on, and wearing the fanny pack. he also stated he had unloaded the firearm the night b4, before he ever started drinking, and placed the 7 rounds in his truck, with the intention of placing the firearm in a lockable case to declare, and just forgot to do so, which is why it was still in the fanny pack. he also stated that the first officer he approached, after my friend producing all kinds of id, and engaging in all kinds of butt-kissing, etc, was EXTREMELY nice and helpful. he did state that there were more officers present who stated that they were going to make some calls, and the first officer told them not to make the call, that he would take care of it. one of the officers ( not sure which one ) went to his personal vehicle, locker, or SOMEWHERE, and returned with a lockable storage case, and offered it to my friend. my friend insisted on paying him for it, and the first officer, who was being the "good guy", escorted my friend to a restroom, where he placed the unloaded firearm in the case and locked it. then they went to wherever he had to go to declare the firearm, did the paperwork, ( he stated he had to sign a form saying he had the only key to the case, or something to that effect ), and after completing the paperwork, the locked case was placed inside the small luggage he had planned to carry on, and was shipped as luggage, he of course was not allowed to carry it on at this point. i suppose i spoke too soon about the verifiable bit, as for some strange reason he has forbid me to release his name and particulars. lol
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ralphb72
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 03:26 am |
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Thank you for sharing this. I'd say your friend was extremely lucky, I hope he got some names to send some thank you notes (or bottles). I learned from this that if I am ever going to fly with my handgun, I will unload it and lock it in my suitcase the night before. I usually don't drink to that extent but who knows what could come up to make one forget the steps you planned. I hope I never have to fly again, but if I do, I will make sure to lock it up early.
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marine dad
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 03:56 am |
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| yeah, he said he asked the officer that was so helpful if he could buy his lunch or do anything else to show his appreciation, and the officer told him: " this never happened." if it were me, i would certainly find some way to thank this officer for his help.
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 04:01 am |
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marine dad wrote: i suppose i spoke too soon about the verifiable bit, as for some strange reason he has forbid me to release his name and particulars. lol
What a surprise...
But, you know, regardless of how one feels about the implementation philosophies of airport security, everyone should agree that the hungover goof with a gun caused a huge breach to the security protocols in place.
And since about 4 or so security personnel goofed up, then I'm wondering: is it best to just report this breach of security incident to TSA or whoever has jurisdiction? There's probably enough info in the posts here to at least start an investigation on the reported failure of the O'Hare system.
marine dad's buddy would be out of it with regard to prosecution, really. All the evidence is gone, right? But those CPD jokers and the checkpoint personnel really goofed up badly.
I can't stand the kabuki-like aspects of the airport security gauntlet every time I fly. I hate that. But what I would hate even more is a porous kabuki-like security system there. One which would let goofs with guns in willy-nilly, depending on which $8/hr security station employee is on the job.
Think the TSA would act on this marine dad's report of the airport security ....lol ?
Would it be interested?
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marine dad
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 11:13 am |
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hank,
you know, i have tried to overllook your continued insulting of my friend. i have attempted to respond to you with respect, even though you have insisted on continuing to use degrading terminology in regards to my friend. what, exactly , is your problem. you seem to be either a cop, a cop ass-kisser, or a cop wannabe, none of which matters to me, as each of those is fully capable of getting their ass kicked just like anybody else. you will find that i do not come on here and play games, i do not come on here and insult people, and if You continue to do so, then i guess it is a good thing that you are hidden behind your computer.
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 12:13 pm |
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marine dad wrote: hank,
you know, i have tried to overllook your continued insulting of my friend. i have attempted to respond to you with respect, even though you have insisted on continuing to use degrading terminology in regards to my friend. what, exactly , is your problem. you seem to be either a cop, a cop ass-kisser, or a cop wannabe, none of which matters to me, as each of those is fully capable of getting their ass kicked just like anybody else. you will find that i do not come on here and play games, i do not come on here and insult people, and if You continue to do so, then i guess it is a good thing that you are hidden behind your computer.
I never insulted your friend. You'll have to re-read the posts above to find it.
Anyone who carries a handgun around Chicago in a fanny pack and goes into O'Hare and goes through security because he is hungover and forgot he had a gun on him is a goof with a gun. When something like that happens and it is discovered, it ties up the terminal for at least an hour while things get sorted out and the goof is taken off to meet stern people. In the meantime, delays and frantic security rigamarole is heaped on everyone who is there trying to catch a flight. If the guy is too hungover to know how to transport a handgun responsibly and properly through the 2nd biggest airport in the country, he is goof with a gun. That's not an insult, that's a fact.
BTW, what's with the interesting phrase:
"none of which matters to me, as each of those is fully capable of getting their ass kicked just like anybody else."
?
Horrors! You're not one of those Internet tough guys, are you? 
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bayboy42
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 05:45 pm |
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| So when he got to Vegas, he didn't have any bullets for his gun?
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marine dad
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 11:19 pm |
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Horrors! You're not one of those Internet tough guys, are you?
no sir, i'm not, but i don't tolerate those close to me being insulted, and will correct the situation whenever possible. this goof with a gun, as you call him, happened to have served your country in several little skirmishes where he not only carried a gun, but killed bad guys with it, while they , in turn, were trying to kill him. when you can say the same, i'll stop challenging your put downs.
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marine dad
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 11:20 pm |
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So when he got to Vegas, he didn't have any bullets for his gun?
not sure if he had ammo in a suitcase somewhere, or if he bought more in vegas, or just didn't reload the firearm until he came back.
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SP101
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 12:14 am |
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HankT, I just wanted to let you know that you have stooped to the level of "LOWER THAN WHALE @#$%" on my scale of whale @#$% internet scumbags.
I just thought you should know.
Here I thought that what others on this forum were saying about you was a little harsh, but after observing the majority of your posts, it has become clear to me that they were actually being NICE.
Marine dad, next time you talk to your friend, tell him I said thank you for his service to our country,.... from one veteran to another.
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openryan
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 02:27 am |
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marine dad wrote: hank,
you know, i have tried to overllook your continued insulting of my friend. i have attempted to respond to you with respect, even though you have insisted on continuing to use degrading terminology in regards to my friend. what, exactly , is your problem. you seem to be either a cop, a cop ass-kisser, or a cop wannabe, none of which matters to me, as each of those is fully capable of getting their ass kicked just like anybody else. you will find that i do not come on here and play games, i do not come on here and insult people, and if You continue to do so, then i guess it is a good thing that you are hidden behind your computer.
I LOVE pissing contests!
Trying to be unbiased -- I don't think he insulted your friend, a lot of responsibility comes with carrying a gun, loaded or not. He happened to have a breach of attention or responsibility I guess you could say, I have had one, and I assume a lot of people had at one time or another, however he corrected his mistake the best he could. Its all over now, so he can't change what happened, but it is a lesson learned I guess.
Hank does seem to have a lot of extra time to spend on here, certainly more than I do, even if his argument is not 'correct' at times, he does poke a lot of holes through arguments that do look legitimate unless you really try to pick them apart, and nobody likes having holes punched in an argument, but it is certainly no reason to get hung up on, and gripe over.
Maybe not a 'goof with a gun', as this would incinuate that he is never responsible with a firearm, rather a lapse of responsibility, which could get you in a lot of trouble whether it was intended or not, certainly he got lucky here, as the people were decent and more than resonable that he dealth with. I would certainly hope it only takes one time to learn this lesson.
But then, you started off your 'attack' for lack of a better word on Hank, and then you went to the level you believe he was acting at, if not lower by say 'ass-kisser', and negated the argument.
I am not trying to give anyone a 'hard-time', just stating how I see things, you may appreciate that, or hate it.
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vote_no
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 01:57 pm |
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This thread is why nobody respects OC. Please stop being retarded.
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HankT
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 03:11 pm |
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marine dad wrote: Horrors! You're not one of those Internet tough guys, are you?
no sir, i'm not, but i don't tolerate those close to me being insulted, and will correct the situation whenever possible.
Huh? You will correct the situation whenever possible? How is that, pray tell?
marine dad wrote:
this goof with a gun, as you call him, happened to have served your country in several little skirmishes where he not only carried a gun, but killed bad guys with it, while they , in turn, were trying to kill him. when you can say the same, i'll stop challenging your put downs.
How is this guy's service relevant to the situation in Chicago and at O'hare? 
- This guy is riding around with a concealed loaded gun in Chicago.
- He then unloads his gun and walks around with it.
- He gets drunk and walks around with an unloaded gun while drinking.
- He gets up the next morning and is hungover.
- He rides to the airport hungover, and for personal defense, he has an unloaded gun in his fanny pack.
- He enters a major international airport and forgets to check his gun.
- He does not even have an approved transport case to check his gun in inside his luggage.
- He goes through security with a handgun on his person risking immediate arrest, shooting, and shutdown of the terminal.
- He takes off the fanny pack with a heavy gun in it and still doesn't remember that it's there and puts it on the conveyer.
- Through some extremely unlikely happenstance the security fails and a person hands him back a fanny pack with a heavy gun in it.
- He takes the fanny pack and puts it back onto his person still not remembering there is a gun in it.
- He breezes past more security checkpoints with a gun on his person and walks around the terminal in a hungover daze.
- He finally realizes that he has a handgun in his fanny pack. Duh!
- He, in his hangover daze, loses his composure and doesn't realize the best solution is to simply exit the secure area immediately to dispose of the gun in a reasonable manner since there is no check of people leaving the secure area.
- He decides to show his show his gun to an armed police officer who has no reasonable choices except to arrest or shoot him and to lock the terminal up, delaying an entire morning's schedule of flights--all because he is hungover.
- He somehow convinces the police officer that he is OK and needs help. Help, that if discovered by anyone in charge would ruin said officer's career. Said officer entices another officer to violate security protocols and aid Mr. Hangover by selling him a proper lockable container.
- He then proceeds to pack, lock and declare his gun which he should have done upon arrival at the airport.
- He transports his gun to Las Vegas and for personal defense has a gun --but no ammo.
Sounds like a goof with a gun to me. 
And his service has absoutely nothing to do with it. 
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bayboy42
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 04:13 pm |
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Thanks for the clarification marine dad. I do have one additional question after reading your original post....
You stated: "He said the attendant at the screening station told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt to go through the screening process. he still had not thought anything about the firearm, and to be honest, was a little bit hungover. he placed his pack on the belt, and the screener started talking to the guy in line behind my friend, whom he seemed to know. when the pack came out the other end, the screener, who was still engaged in conversation with the other guy, handed the fanny pack back to my friend, who placed it back around his waist and went to the gate area."
Which screener was it that told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt vs which screener was it that started talking to the guy in line behind your friend? I'm just trying to figure out which role each of the two TSA screeners assinged to this particlar station played in the oversight of the handgun in the fanny pack.
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marine dad
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 10:00 pm |
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"Which screener was it that told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt vs which screener was it that started talking to the guy in line behind your friend? I'm just trying to figure out which role each of the two TSA screeners assinged to this particlar station played in the oversight of the handgun in the fanny pack."
i'm not sure, i didn't have all the info on that.
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HankT
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 10:13 pm |
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marine dad wrote:
i'm not sure, i didn't have all the info on that.
Does your buddy have an Internet connection?
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marine dad
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Posted: Wed Aug 29th, 2007 10:20 pm |
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This guy is riding around with a concealed loaded gun in Chicago.
( not true, he only possessed a loaded firearm for the trip from point a to point b. he was not "riding around" , as you put it. )
He then unloads his gun and walks around with it. He gets drunk and walks around with an unloaded gun while drinking.
( not true, he unloaded the firearm b4 he ever started drinking, took off the fanny pack, and didn't touch it again until morning )
He gets up the next morning and is hungover.
( true )
He rides to the airport hungover, and for personal defense, he has an unloaded gun in his fanny pack.
( so what, as it would have been illegal loaded, anyway )
He enters a major international airport and forgets to check his gun.
( true )
He does not even have an approved transport case to check his gun in inside his luggage.
( not true, he did, but it was forgotten and left in his truck at friends house )
He goes through security with a handgun on his person risking immediate arrest, shooting, and shutdown of the terminal.
( true )
He takes off the fanny pack with a heavy gun in it and still doesn't remember that it's there and puts it on the conveyer.
( true )
Through some extremely unlikely happenstance the security fails and a person hands him back a fanny pack with a heavy gun in it.
( true )
He takes the fanny pack and puts it back onto his person still not remembering there is a gun in it.
( true )
He breezes past more security checkpoints with a gun on his person and walks around the terminal in a hungover daze.
( true )
He finally realizes that he has a handgun in his fanny pack. Duh!
( true )
He, in his hangover daze, loses his composure and doesn't realize the best solution is to simply exit the secure area immediately to dispose of the gun in a reasonable manner since there is no check of people leaving the secure area.
( true )
He decides to show his show his gun to an armed police officer who has no reasonable choices except to arrest or shoot him and to lock the terminal up, delaying an entire morning's schedule of flights--all because he is hungover.
( true )
He somehow convinces the police officer that he is OK and needs help. Help, that if discovered by anyone in charge would ruin said officer's career. Said officer entices another officer to violate security protocols and aid Mr. Hangover by selling him a proper lockable container.
( true )
He then proceeds to pack, lock and declare his gun which he should have done upon arrival at the airport.
( true )
He transports his gun to Las Vegas and for personal defense has a gun --but no ammo.
( not true, we don't know if he had more ammo in his luggage, bought more in vegas, or what )
Sounds like a goof with a gun to me
( sounds like to me someone who made a mistake, as we all have, which he readily owned up to in the presence of leo's, knowing full well they could have made his life miserable. i'm sure he learned a valuable lesson )
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 02:18 am |
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Im sorry; I've never posted on any thread ever before but I couldn't help but say my piece on this matter. Hank, it seems to me that you have no ability to understand the purpose of marine dads original post. It was meant to show the incompetence of the so called airport security not to highlight his friends mistake.
It wasn't a green light to start talking about how much of "goof" marine dads friend is. I mean sh!*, is it that hard to understand. Of course his friend screwed up, but there is one thing has failed to recognize. We as Marines are strict disciplinarians. When he realized what had happened; HUNGOVER OR NOT, he reacted accordingly. He knew the consequences of his actions and did all he could to build creditability of himself and his situation. It just so happened that the officer or officers that he dealt with were able to make the (while not politically correct) right decision for the Retired United States Marine / Drill Instructor. Additionally (from my understanding) not only has he fought in conflicts himself to protect your right to shoot off your mouth about whoever or whatever you want, but also trained an unknown number of Marines to protect you and everyone else in this country from having to worry about getting blown up in the morning instead of getting up and doing the old "S.S.S"
He made a decision and accepted the fact that their were consequences he may have to face.
Semper Fi
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 02:51 am |
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I *really* hate agreeing with or defending HankT EVER, but on this one... he's right. The guy in question willfully broke the law by carrying around a pistol in the communist state of IL, and continued to break firearms laws at the airport. Don't start that "Marines do what's right, and when they mess up they make attempt to correct it with integrity" junk. This Marine thumbed his nose at the laws of IL, the laws of Chicago, and the laws and security of the FAA. Don't tell me he somehow regained his sense of dignity once he cleared security, he had been knowingly breaking laws since he arrived in the state.
Now, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with someone carrying a firearm in a state they are not supposed to. I have (intentionally) done it myself. I do have a problem with you making this Marine out to be an angel who was ignorant of the fact he was carrying a concealed firearm past airport security.
Carrying a gun comes with great responsibility. I am always cognizant of where my gun is at all times. It's either locked up in a safe, or loaded and on my person. There is no other place it would be. I have carried my gun in a backpack and a briefcase. The bag/case never left my control, not even when I used the bathroom.
This Marine was sloppy, and he was indeed a GOOF with a gun. His poor judgement that day could have gotten him in a load of trouble, although I disagree with HankT's statement that he may have been shot. That is a far stretch.
Welcome to OCDO, sorry my first post to you had to be negative, and I'm doubly sorry I had to defend HankT in it. HT thrives on causing BS here, and the only people who play his game are the newbies, because everyone else simply ignores him for the most part. In time you will too.
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