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marine dad
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 03:00 am |
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ok. first of all, let me state that although this will be difficult to believe, it is absolutely true, and it is verifiable. my best friend just got back from vegas, and came over tonight to relate an incident he had. he and a couple of friends were going to vegas for the weekend, and decided to drive to chicago, spend the night with another friend, and then all of them fly out of ohare the next day. he had carried his firearm in a fanny pack on the drive, and that night they cooked out and had a few brews. he had planned to put his firearm in his luggage and declare it, but he said that he just simply forgot. he arrives at the airport with his friends, checks in and gets the tickets squared away, and as he passed through the screening station, he set off the bells and whistles. he said the attendant at the screening station told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt to go through the screening process. he still had not thought anything about the firearm, and to be honest, was a little bit hungover. he placed his pack on the belt, and the screener started talking to the guy in line behind my friend, whom he seemed to know. when the pack came out the other end, the screener, who was still engaged in conversation with the other guy, handed the fanny pack back to my friend, who placed it back around his waist and went to the gate area. he had a little while before boarding, and in the course of waiting awhile, he went to get something from the pack and realized he had his pistol. keep in mind that at this point he had passed several checkpoints, gone through an x-ray station, etc, etc... when he realized the situation he was in, he almost had a stroke. he could have boarded the plane, at this point! after he calmed down, he went to a cpd officer and told him he needed to speak with him. he calmly explained the situation to the officer, who had a VERY hard time comprehending how this had happened. my friend asked if he wanted him to show him the firearm, and the officer replied NO! the officer had my friend take him and point out the person who had sent him through the checkpoint. my friend had explained to the officer and provided identification verifying that he was retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. the officer called a friend who was also cpd, who brought a lockable storage container for the firearm and sold it to my friend on the spot. they then escorted him to an area where he could place the unloaded firearm in the case, lock it up, and then went with him to declare the firearm. all in all, he said they were very helpful after their initial shock, and his firearm arrived in vegas with no problems whatsoever, but that this experience definately took a few years off his life.
my friend is a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor, and while i may have left out some of the details, i have no doubt that this story, while pretty wild, is true. makes you wonder about those security people that we trust our lives to. i have told this story with my friends permission.
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HankT
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 03:09 am |
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marine dad wrote: my best friend ....retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. ... a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor...
...and a goof with a gun.
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marine dad
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 03:36 am |
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well, i agree with you to an extent. however, having carried a firearm pretty much daily for about 25 years now, there have been times when i have realized i was somewhere i was not supposed to have a firearm, myself. i have on occasion over the years found myself in a bank, school, place that charged admission, etc, etc. i stopped by the courthouse once to eat lunch with a friend who was a deputy, and had spent 30 minutes in the building with my friend when he statedto me ; " i can't believe you've gone this long without your glock." to which i replied: 'ooops...
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openryan
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 03:40 am |
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marine dad wrote: well, i agree with you to an extent. however, having carried a firearm pretty much daily for about 25 years now, there have been times when i have realized i was somewhere i was not supposed to have a firearm, myself. i have on occasion over the years found myself in a bank, school, place that charged admission, etc, etc. i stopped by the courthouse once to eat lunch with a friend who was a deputy, and had spent 30 minutes in the building with my friend when he statedto me ; " i can't believe you've gone this long without your glock." to which i replied: 'ooops...
I caught myself almost walking into the post officer while cc'ing before, never went in, actually it was the no weapons signage that alerted me.
I wonder what happened to the person who let him past the checkpoint... if he was not even trying, it is unsettling to think of what someone could do if they were trying!
Did you by chance talk about what he would have done if he actually borded the plane and then realized -- I would think if he brought this to an attendants attention mid-flight, that it may be cause for an emergency landing.
Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 03:41 am by openryan
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SP101
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 03:54 am |
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HankT wrote: marine dad wrote: my best friend ....retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. ... a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor...
...and a goof with a gun.
HankT....you always seem to have a way with words. Get a life!!!!!
Glad all worked out for your friend marine dad. That could have been a Major jam.
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PavePusher
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 04:03 am |
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Lew
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 06:38 am |
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Sometimes, you should just keep your mouth shut. 
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HankT
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 10:11 am |
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SP101 wrote: HankT wrote: marine dad wrote: my best friend ....retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. ... a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor...
...and a goof with a gun.
HankT....you always seem to have a way with words. Get a life!!!!!
The goof with a gun could have locked up the terminal for an hour or more....simply because he is a drunk...<shakes head>
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marine dad
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 11:07 am |
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hank,
you, sir. are not a marine, obviously. i would point out that my friend, ( along with thousands of other people) , might drink a little too much about twice a year. this certainly doesn't make him ( nor anyone else ) a drunk. it is easy to name call and act cool hiding behind a computer keyboard. i suggest you find a good little bar in your area and explain to the marines who frequent it that they are goofs, drunks, and idiots.
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 11:34 am |
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OK, your friend, who is not a LEO or otherwise someone legally permitted to carry a loaded, concealed pistol in Chi...
Had a loaded concealed pistol in O'Hare (past a security checkpoint!) and brought it to the attention of the CPD...
And he didn't eat concrete? They actually *sold* him a container to secure his weapon and let him go? I'm just a bit curious why (how) he was running around in IL with a concealed pistol. There must be more to this story than you have written. Having a pilots license (I have one) does not cut the mustard, and neither does being an FAA mechanic.
Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 11:35 am by nakedshoplifter
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HankT
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 11:55 am |
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nakedshoplifter wrote: OK, your friend, who is not a LEO or otherwise someone legally permitted to carry a loaded, concealed pistol in Chi...
Had a loaded concealed pistol in O'Hare (past a security checkpoint!) and brought it to the attention of the CPD...
And he didn't eat concrete? They actually *sold* him a container to secure his weapon and let him go? I'm just a bit curious why (how) he was running around in IL with a concealed pistol. There must be more to this story than you have written. Having a pilots license (I have one) does not cut the mustard, and neither does being an FAA mechanic.
All good points/questions, NSL. marine dad's hungover friend was illegal before he even stepped into the terminal, according to marine dad's story.
Hmm, marine dad said in the very first sentence of his story...."it is absolutely true, and it is verifiable."
Maybe marinedad could verify the story as he has offered to do?
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unrequited
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 06:15 pm |
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IL Fanny pack carry? He didn't mention loaded/unloaded until the end so *shrug*... need more info please.
IL Fanny pack carry meaning carrying an unloaded firearm in a fully enclosed case (fanny pack) which was just upheld at a lower court by one of the guys who keeps pushing it:
http://icarry.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=318Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 06:18 pm by unrequited
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HankT
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 08:03 pm |
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unrequited wrote: IL Fanny pack carry? He didn't mention loaded/unloaded until the end so *shrug*... need more info please.
IL Fanny pack carry meaning carrying an unloaded firearm in a fully enclosed case (fanny pack) which was just upheld...
Un, are you hoping (against hope) that the guy was walking around with an unloaded handgun?
And that he cleared an unloaded gun through the security station?
That would be interesting...
I do agree more info is needed, though. The OP said the story was verifiable, so perhaps he can do that.
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 09:10 pm |
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There have been a few stories in the last few years of people who bring contraband into terminals or onto airplanes accidentally, and because they think obeying the law is so important, they tell somebody and wind up getting charged.
As one of the other posters said: sometimes you just need to shut up.
And don't feel the need to respect every stupid law out there. Feeling guilty because you accidentally got away with exercising your right to self defense against hijackers is a waste of energy. Just count your lucky stars and don't do it again.
And BTW, I am a Marine, for what it's worth.
Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 09:11 pm by Tomahawk
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bayboy42
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 09:27 pm |
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So there are so many things out of whack with this story that I'd really like it verified (it is verifiable you know) before I enter into the discussion. Below are the points that just don't add up:
1. Marine Dad stated "He arrives at the airport with his friends, checks in and gets the tickets squared away..." and then later stated "He had a little while before boarding, and in the course of waiting awhile, he went to get something from the pack and realized he had his pistol."
So when he was "getting his tickets squared away" he never once opened his fanny pack....not for his id required to check in.....iternerary...confirmation number....a tic tack?
2. Marine Dad stated "they then escorted him to an area where he could place the unloaded firearm in the case, lock it up, and then went with him to declare the firearm."
How did they accomplish this feat? He had already checked in so presumably his checked backage had already been sent the screening booth and/or the airplane. Did they politely ask the Ticket Counter rep to recall his luggage and if so, what reason did they give for having it recalled?
And how dow whe intend to verify this story?
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SP101
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 09:40 pm |
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marine dad wrote: hank,
you, sir. are not a marine, obviously. i would point out that my friend, ( along with thousands of other people) , might drink a little too much about twice a year. this certainly doesn't make him ( nor anyone else ) a drunk. it is easy to name call and act cool hiding behind a computer keyboard. i suggest you find a good little bar in your area and explain to the marines who frequent it that they are goofs, drunks, and idiots.
I doubt HankT ever served in ANY of the armed services. He may be in the Salvation Army though.(in charge of ringing the bell)
I also doubt he has the nads to call anyone in a bar a goof, drunk, or idiot, let alone a marine.
Back on topic, I think the main reason for this thread was to point out that the security at alot of major airports is a joke, and that when flying, you need to still be looking for suspicious characters and not let your guard down.
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bayboy42
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 09:52 pm |
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Just so my point and motives are clear:
1. Do I disagree that the security at a lot of major airports is a joke? NO
2. Do I agree that when flying you need to still be looking for suspicious characters and not let your guard down? YES
3. Do I believe that an individual walked into a major airport with a firearm in his fanny pack (that he intended to declare), checked his backage, walked to the security checkpoint, tried to first walk through the detector with his fanny pack on, make it through the TSA screening, realized he had his gun, bring it to the attention of not one but two police officers, was able to purchase a lock box "on the spot", and be politely escorted back to the ticket counter to fetch his already checked baggage and declare is firearm? NO
I agree with most of Tomahawks points as well.
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SP101
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 10:12 pm |
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I don't see anywhere that he had to retrieve the baggage he had already checked. He should have only needed to show his ticket and get another tag to put on the additional item to be checked. I don't really see why any specific explaination to the person checking baggage would be required. Maybe he bought something else he wanted to take along, for example.
I'm not in any way saying the guy was not at fault, but, it was not done intentionally either, or else he would not have done anything after getting past the checkpoint.
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PT111
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Posted: Mon Aug 27th, 2007 11:05 pm |
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All I know is the last time I flew it was out of Dulles and when i walked through the metal detector it went off. I thought they were going to handcuff and strip search me right there. Turned out that the foil on a pack of cigarettes in my pocket triggered it.
If the story is true it is almost unbelievable but strange things do happen. My wife has a cousin that is a pilot for Delta and he says that he never flies without his gun in his briefcase but he is the pilot.
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bayboy42
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 12:58 am |
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SP101 - you make a good point about maybe just checking the "newly purchased lock box" vs. actually putting the box inside his already checked luggage (which is what I had in mind when I typed that. But its not quite as easy as "only needing to show his ticket and get another tag to put on the additional item to be checked". He would have to declare the firearm which more then likely would have struck the Ticket Counter as odd since he/she would have already seen that the passenger had already checked in once.
Still waiting for verification from Marine Dad.
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