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JSlack7851
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 10:38 pm |
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I was walking my dog, Nick, and carrying a piece of trash I had been looking at for the past two weeks. Since no one else picked it up I thought I would and carry it out of the woods. As Nick and I approached the wooden bridge I noticed the Park Ranger looking intense coming my way. I activated my digital voice recorder (MP3 player) just in time for me to release my dog and get hand cuffed. I was dis-armed and the Ranger put my Baretta in his belt,I had advised the Ranger not to drop my Baretta in the mud, he was also toting my 100 lb. Germen Shepard, Nick. I was accused of shooting on Metro parks property. He got a complaint of shooting on the east side of the vermilion river. I'm in hand cuffs. Hes got my Baretta in his belt..We reach his truck, and put Nick in the back of his truck for safety. He checks my weapon for recent shooting. Debate over open and concealed carry. He dropped one of my live bullets. I got arrested for carrying trash out of the park with a dog. I was returned my weapon and mag. My gun is clean.. Not arrested.. we are still Looking for the bullet he dropped. I've been re armed. Ranger went to Sandusky Police Academy. He loves Nick. We make small talk. He wants to call the reporting source. Report of 5 shots in the woods, [cell phone number deleted - JK]. These were two elderly people that were bird watching. Nick and I were walking up to them while the Male was trying to talk to a "barn sparrow". Nick started barking and the male of the two explained to me that the whistle he was making affected dogs just like it did the birds. I told him "good luck" and went on down the trails. My intent was not to disrupt what they were doing.
Upon hearing the Ranger's CO coming south on Vermilion Road. (siren's) I was again disarmed. The Ranger talks to the reporting source and he denys seeing me fire my weapon. I can't hear what the RS says but... the valley is long and narrow,,, there is no shooting in the valley with out someone hearing shooting.. My opinion is the reporting source is lying. (Jared?) Discussions of the piece of trash I was carrying out of the park. Questions of "why would we get a call of you shooting". Answer, "I don't know you would have to ask the reporting source?" Arguments of weather you can carry"Open" in the park. I argued with the CO about "open carry" was legal in the state of Ohio, He tells me that the park has it's own set of rules. I explained about ORC 9.68, he doesn't want to hear it. They want to know if I have any other weapons on me... I remembered that I had a cutting tool (not weapon) in my left rear pocket. The question of any spent rounds came up, In my pockets. No,, The CO (Goodrich) reads me the rules of the Park. No open carry. The question of what happened to the piece of trash came up again. I'm filling out paper work, Its 2:45 May 15. I advise Ranger McClain that His boss is wrong about Open Carry In the Parks.. CO comes back, No sign of my piece of trash I left on the bridge. Questions from the CO. about my open carry.. did I touch it, did I pull It out? No, the sheeple just freaked.
Two weeks ago a matience person came upon me carrying out a piece of trash. with my gun and my dog. he never said anything to me about anything, except "thank You".
I didn't notice but the other two subordinates had started to retrace my footsteps looking for spent rounds. There are almost 2 miles of trails from where we parked, walked, to where we
were detained. Thats why it took almost a hour and a half. I had talked to the CO, Ranger Goodrich, for almost a hour. We had a lot in common. He would not hear ORC 9.68, Nor was he receptive to the old couple (reporting source) making a false police report. But by the same token he didn't view me as a BG either. When the other two Rangers came back I was then told that there were two reports of "shots fired" in the park, any where from 3 to 5 shots, this time. That valley has walls 300 feet tall and its 5 miles long. I never heard any shots, and I doubt there were two calls. I'm going to ask for the copies of the 911 call to the Sheriff's Office and I intend to advise the chief of the Metro Park Rangers that their law doesn't "preempt Ohio State Laws".
All in all I would rate these guys 7 out of 10 only due to their ignorance of State Laws preempting Local Ordnance. All were professional, even cordial. Ranger Holmes was very professional as well and my Hand cuffing officer, Ranger McClain
I was personally accused @ 30:45 of being the shooter and questioned about taking a paraffin test. I agreed to take the test. B/4 I was returned my weapon I made two suggestions to the Rangers (1) was not to drop it in the mud, and (2) don't point that at the other Ranger.... the gun stayed pointed,, the other Ranger moved.
Heres the audio file.. Its one hour and 38 minutes long.
http://ofcc.crufflecarp.org/wav/DW_A0024.wav
Here is half of the 911 call.
http://ofcc.crufflecarp.org/wav/911_call.wav
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carracer
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 11:38 pm |
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| So, did they do a test? Find any empty cases? Any other ear-witnesses? The 911 call sounded like an older person with a grudge to me.
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 11:51 pm |
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No, they never tested me for nitrates, nor did they find any brass. The bird watcher wasn't just a bird watcher, He the DIRECTOR of Lake Erie Nature & Science Center in Bay Village. The Director did have a female companion, but she was never questioned.
http://www.lensc.org/
He has a couple of square milies of park system his Science center is located on. Trails, picnic tables, baseball diamond. What about a open carry soft ball game?
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jegoodin
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 04:19 am |
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I guess I don't understand... Why is it against the law to pack trash out of the park? Every park I've ever been in they encourage it. Is Ohio really that retarded of a state???
I think I would press the cops to file making a false police report against the guy who called 911. Unfired gun, no evidence of shell casings. He couldn't even keep his story straight to the 911 operator; was the gun in your holster on your hip or were you firing it wildly next to the trail? He seemed confused.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 10:59 am |
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I was bored, and wanted to see what the guy looked like who lied to police officers (isn't that a crime?)
Here's a photo of Larry:
source: http://lensc.blogspot.com/2009/05/happy-trails-to-larry-richardson.html
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GOT9MM1
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 06:01 pm |
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This is absolutely ridiculous. Will you be filing any complaints or anything with these folks or the county?
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 05:01 pm |
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It sounds to me like Mr. Birdy was mad about your dog barking and decided to sic the police on you.
I hope you follow up on him making a false report to police.
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 05:50 pm |
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I was told by the rangers that they weren't interested in chasing Larry. Several other people told me he would just say "he assumed it was me". I did go to the Lorain County Sheriff's office but was just refered to the park police. This might of been a different story if one of the Rangers had a accident racing to the scene. As open carriers we now know that sheeple can now call "MWAG, SHOTS FIRED" with no reprecussions... is that scary or what? Did you notice that in one minute hes got me shooting and the next the gun's on my hip? (the 911 call)
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GJD
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Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 07:44 pm |
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| Lawsuit.
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Deanimator
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 03:08 pm |
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GJD wrote: Lawsuit.
I should say.
He'll fold.
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 04:19 pm |
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muxtech wrote:I would be happy to donate to such a fund.
Would any body else wish to donate $500 to my "sue the sheeple" fund? DisgruntledCitizen? When I win I will return your $500 and anything else I am awarded for my dishonor will be donated to "OpenCarry.org for better use. We can all make sure what this guy did to me doesn't happen to any of you. Since I've had no volunteers from the legal staff at OpenCarry.org, I would assume that there is no profit in suing this guy, so I'm taking up a collection on the advice of my new friends and sponsors, Deanimator & GJD. Anybody else wanna pony up?
Since only nine of us showed up for the Cleveland open carry walk, I won't hold my breath for any donations either. Yeah its great to write and read about other people fighting for 2A rights, but come on, If somebody else is gonna do it, why should you donate, or even go for a walk?
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HankT
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 04:34 pm |
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JSlack, I think you kept a cool head. Kudos to you.
I don't see why the CO, Ranger Goodrich, "would not hear ORC 9.68." Not a very professional LEO, he.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 11:16 pm |
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The so-called supervisor was a prick. He said he was aware of the law you were referring to before you'd finished the section. You could have been reading off a statute about building permits for all he knew. He wasn't listening to you, he was trying to bluff you down into shutting up.
All in all this was a pretty crappy thing for them to do to you and the cause of it. "A serious allegation" ok if it's serious, then lying about it should be just as serious.. put the complainant on a polygraph.
"I know a lot of state law" yeah you may do, you don't know it all, and perhaps, just maybe Mr Slack knows better the section he's done some studying on.
An obvious anti-OC bias... you seem like a responsible guy, carry responsibly... twit.
If this incident is anything it's a poster case for why you have got to carry a voice recorder! I bet you're damn glad you did.
I'll be keeping an eye on this thread, thanks for sharing.
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 02:28 pm |
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JSlack7851 wrote: muxtech wrote:I would be happy to donate to such a fund.
Would any body else wish to donate $500 to my "sue the sheeple" fund? DisgruntledCitizen? When I win I will return your $500 and anything else I am awarded for my dishonor will be donated to "OpenCarry.org for better use. We can all make sure what this guy did to me doesn't happen to any of you. Since I've had no volunteers from the legal staff at OpenCarry.org, I would assume that there is no profit in suing this guy, so I'm taking up a collection on the advice of my new friends and sponsors, Deanimator & GJD. Anybody else wanna pony up?
Since only nine of us showed up for the Cleveland open carry walk, I won't hold my breath for any donations either. Yeah its great to write and read about other people fighting for 2A rights, but come on, If somebody else is gonna do it, why should you donate, or even go for a walk?
I'm unemployed, but I've got the name of a good lawyer.
I'll bet your buddy would piss his pants and start kissing your behind if he got a letter from a lawyer. Letters don't cost much.
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 05:25 pm |
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OK, by popular request I sent a e mail to a lawyer. One that promoses to "make 'em pay"...... I will keep you advised. Keep sending money!
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JSlack7851
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 08:58 pm |
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Its been 7 days since I sent my story to a lawyer for a opinion. If there was any money in this, well, I would of heard something by now.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 04:13 pm |
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Lets not forget how they endangered the "children" anyone of them can find
the ammo they threw away and hurt themselves beating it with a rock.
Or if there is a fire they have endangered the firefighters by not warning them
of the ammo in the area that can go off from the heat.
'trained government officials' once again making life dangerous for everyone.
How accurate is a paraffin test?
I will refuse till they can demonstrate to me that the test will only show powder
from an incident, and not from my morning shooting.
I might consent to spectral analysis as I know they powder will not match
the carry rounds powder 95% of the time. But if I haven't burned a couple of clips
through the pistol since I last fired carry ammo, I will contest it still for trace matches.
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Jason Rogers
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 07:40 pm |
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SlackwareRobert wrote:
How accurate is a paraffin test?
I will refuse till they can demonstrate to me that the test will only show powder
from an incident, and not from my morning shooting.
The paraffin test would only prove you shot at all, inside of a certain time frame. If you made a statement to the police that you have not fired at all the test could show you made false statements. If you state right off the bat that you where just coming from the range the test might not mean that much. In any case if you end up in front of a jurry they would place weight on your statement that you where at the range based upon how truthfull they find you to be, suported of course by eye-witnesses from the range, range reciepts, etc.
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