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rottman43055
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 11:10 pm |
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I know this is an open carry forum, but I know also that a lot of us have concealed carry licenses and carry concealed sometimes.
When I carry concealed I pay zero attention to no weapon signs. Sometimes I carry concealed for times when I know I'll need to be places that are posted.
My right to self defense trumps all else in my opinion.
I'm not encouraging anyone to do the same but I was wondering the thoughts of others.
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Jor Reeser
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 12:05 am |
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If I'm carrying concealed I ignore them. If they realize I am armed and ask me to leave I will do so immediately and with no argument. It is private property, after all. However, I am also of a mind that those who would disarm me take responsibility for anything that happens while I am disarmed. If they don't wish to do that then perhaps they should allow me to remain armed. I am no threat to anyone who is not a threat to me.
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HankT
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 12:15 am |
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rottman43055 wrote: ...
When I carry concealed I pay zero attention to no weapon signs. Sometimes I carry concealed for times when I know I'll need to be places that are posted.
My right to self defense trumps all else in my opinion.
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Are you talking about No Weapons signs on private properties (e.g. shopping malls) or No Weapons signs at prohibited places in accordance with CC rules of your state (e.g., courts, churches, etc.)?
Or both?
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Jor Reeser
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 01:22 am |
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I had assumed what was meant was private property. That is what I meant.
HankT wrote: rottman43055 wrote:
When I carry concealed I pay zero attention to no weapon signs. Sometimes I carry concealed for times when I know I'll need to be places that are posted.
Are you talking about No Weapons signs on private properties (e.g. shopping malls) or No Weapons signs at prohibited places in accordance with CC rules of your state (e.g., courts, churches, etc.)?
Or both?
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zack991
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 11:01 pm |
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I just hand them a card that states no Gun no money and spend my money else where. Why give a business any money if they are not allowing you to protect yourself is beyond me. Your making no statement when you still shop there. Let them know that you and others will spend else where and with today's tough economy they will either change their minds or go under.
Last edited on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 11:04 pm by zack991
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FiremanJoe
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:13 am |
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Sign? What Sign?,
Sorry I didn't notice that little 3inch high sign down there on the far right window 12 feet from your front door....... LOL
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mid561
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 09:57 pm |
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| Weather or not you oc or cc are you not to respect the wishes of the establishment that has such a sign posted? If you dont respect the signage can they (the business owners) have you arrested?
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justherenow
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 12:59 am |
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mid561 wrote: Weather or not you oc or cc are you not to respect the wishes of the establishment that has such a sign posted? If you dont respect the signage can they (the business owners) have you arrested?
In Ohio, that sign has the weight of law, if you carry and are caught, you can be charged with criminal trespass. The owner does not need to ask you to leave because you have already been warned by that sign.
Personally, being a single parent, I choose not to go to places that require me to disarm, unless it is a place that is covered by law or a doctor or hospital that I do not have a choice about. Sure, I want to be able to protect myself and my child, but I cannot do that if some over the top business owner somehow notices I am carrying and I am arrested, and even if not put in jail, my child seeing that happen to me would not play very well, plus the $$$ impact.
I obey the law the best I can. I wont say I never went into a CPZ with a firearm, but I did not notice the sign until I was leaving or on another visit (UDF comes to mind)
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MyWifeSaidYes
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Posted: Tue Dec 29th, 2009 10:31 am |
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My office receives these "state required signage" order forms from third-party companies every so often. They will sell you copies of all the various labor law/minimum wage law/etc. posters that employers are supposed to display for their employees.
I looked through the list of posters out of curiousity and got a little bent out of shape. What ticked me off is that, in the list of required signage, this company listed the "No guns" poster!
You and I know that this is NOT a required sign, but does the average human resources person know that?
This affects both OC and CC.
How do you convince that company that the sign isn't actually required?
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Brian D.
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Posted: Tue Dec 29th, 2009 03:37 pm |
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MyWifeSaidYes wrote: My office receives these "state required signage" order forms from third-party companies every so often. They will sell you copies of all the various labor law/minimum wage law/etc. posters that employers are supposed to display for their employees.
I looked through the list of posters out of curiousity and got a little bent out of shape. What ticked me off is that, in the list of required signage, this company listed the "No guns" poster!
You and I know that this is NOT a required sign, but does the average human resources person know that?
This affects both OC and CC.
How do you convince that company that the sign isn't actually required?
Show the company's higher ups (or better yet their legal staff) the actual law, hope they can comprehend it properly, and actually care enough to make things right.
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Armed
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Posted: Thu Dec 31st, 2009 06:50 pm |
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Brian D. wrote:
MyWifeSaidYes wrote: My office receives these "state required signage" order forms from third-party companies every so often. They will sell you copies of all the various labor law/minimum wage law/etc. posters that employers are supposed to display for their employees.
I looked through the list of posters out of curiousity and got a little bent out of shape. What ticked me off is that, in the list of required signage, this company listed the "No guns" poster!
You and I know that this is NOT a required sign, but does the average human resources person know that?
This affects both OC and CC.
How do you convince that company that the sign isn't actually required?
I was just home over Christmas, and took my elderly father to his dialysis appointment. They *had* one of those "required" signs pinned to the wall of their foyer. I took it with me on the way out.
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McX
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Posted: Fri Jan 1st, 2010 02:08 pm |
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| we should all play the dumb bunny card on these establishments, and say; oh, i thought the no guns sign meant you guys had no guns!
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MyWifeSaidYes
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Posted: Fri Jan 1st, 2010 05:54 pm |
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Hmm, I like both options, but what law am I breaking if I take their sign? 
And my wife tells me I'm good at playing dumb. It only took 1 load of white laundry coming out pink to get me banned from the laundry room. 
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spioi
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Posted: Thu Jan 7th, 2010 12:20 am |
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at a park in columbus. Last edited on Thu Jan 7th, 2010 12:21 am by spioi
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Fehrmann69
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Posted: Wed Jan 20th, 2010 07:00 am |
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| How about at the gun shows? I find it quite hippocritical, that the very people who are pro second ammendment, and organize the gun shows, most often do not allow open carry at the shows. What's up with that? Are they now all of a sudden afraid of the strangers with guns. How can you feel that the public should not be afraid of the MWAG, when you act the same way, in the gun show environment. Maybe it would be a good time to rethink your positions.
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MyWifeSaidYes
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Posted: Wed Jan 20th, 2010 02:21 pm |
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In Franklin county (Columbus) the shows allow you to open carry all you want, but your guns must be unloaded. They check them at the door and use plastic tie wraps to verify this. Concealed carry weapons must be checked and unloaded as well.
This is interesting because letting them check your CC weapon is purely on the honor system. Yet another stupid process only disarming the honest people.
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Brian D.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20th, 2010 08:09 pm |
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About the gun show issue: Several promoters have told me that their insurance carrier stipulates 'no posssesion of loaded firearms by anyone except law enforcement'. Some years back one promoter even showed me that portion of his policy.
My experience has been that most all the shows, everyplace I've been around the U.S. check the status of each firearm carried into the event. Some go further and zip-tie the action.
I don't like this presumptive "lowest common denominator of idiot patron" mindset on the part of the shows but were it MY event I'd likely follow the same practice, if just to keep my insurance company happy.
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thebishop_1999
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Posted: Tue Feb 2nd, 2010 11:41 pm |
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Most everyone on this site is over 21. The answers I read are more like "IT IS ALL ABOUT ME " Or "TO THE HELL WITH OTHER PEOPLE"
First I'm 61 and have carried a weapon for years. I have a CWP, and believe in open carry. It is our right to carry open or CW carry. This is up to you if you want to. Now when we walk into a store. They (the person that owns that store) has the right to ask you to leave if you have an open weapon. It is his store. Leave. Walk out tell them you will not shop. As for CW. If they have a sign that tells you they do not want you in the store. GOOD BYE.
Please remember they have rights, we have rights. If I was in your house and started to smoke and you do not like smoking in your house I guess I would have to take it outside.
My rights might have to stop if they step on your rights.
Remember we all have some rights. But not to step on others rights.
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Lthrnck
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Posted: Tue Feb 9th, 2010 11:53 am |
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When a person starts a business that is "Open to the Public" that means just that, "Open to the Public". So unless I am doing something UNSAFE, UNHEALTHY, OR CRIMINAL...then my right to self defense trumps their right to "Private Property", why because it's no longer "Private" it's "Open to the Public".
There is no bigger Right then Self Defense. That right Trumps all others period.
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