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lax
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 05:36 pm |
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From the Daily Activity Report
http://www.dicksoncityborough.org/index.jsp?id=13
05/11/08 6:32pm To the Old Country Buffet on a male openly carrying a handgun, restaurant cancelled complaint enroute.
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Malum Prohibitum
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 06:25 pm |
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jpierce wrote: Malum Prohibitum wrote: Mr. Pierce and Mr. Stollenwork,
What can those of us in other states do to help out?
ED
I will think about it but for those who live too far away to drive to Dickson City tonight, the best thing to do right now is standby.
There are bound to be polls we need to hit, newspaper articles we need to comment on and LTE's to be written. Also, depending upon what happens, there may be legal fees to be paid by Rich.
For now, there isn't a lot that those outside the area can do except offer support.
Thanks for asking!
Standing by. . . .
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Deanimator
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 10:14 pm |
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lax wrote: From the Daily Activity Report
http://www.dicksoncityborough.org/index.jsp?id=13
05/11/08 6:32pm To the Old Country Buffet on a male openly carrying a handgun, restaurant cancelled complaint enroute.
Well, isn't THAT special?
Sounds to me as though some officers were acting outside of the scope of their duties. There are consequences for that:
"Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans, no more merciful beheadings, and call off Christmas!" - Allan Rickman
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Gunslinger
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 11:09 pm |
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BB62 wrote: Mike (and John),
You may or may not recognize how much I support OC, but I for one think that the "Sieg Heil" titling is over the top.
"We DEMAND your papers!" or somesuch would be more effective IMHO, considering that the title of the press release can be used as strong proof by the anti-gun media (and antis in general) to once again portray "us" as crazed wackos.
Why bring in Hitler? Who is the primary audience and who is the secondary audience?
It just seems to me like the collateral damage of a release titled as such is considerable.
I just don't think that hitting Joe Clueless (or Joe Care Less) over the head in this manner is going to sway him our way.
I disagree. The people involved have to go after these pos nazis. They violated the civil rights of honest Americans like they were the Gestapo. 42 USC 21 Section 1983 deals with this. False arrest, illegal search and seizure, battery--as soon as one of the storm troopers touched anyone it was battery, 1st Amendment violation; 2nd Amendment violation; 4th Amendment violation. Supported by the Chief of Police. There is money to be made in this lawsuit in Federal Courts, against the individual cops, the chief, the town and the state, if state cops were involved. They also have no immunity in Federal Court. If it oinks and crawls in the mud, call it what it is: a pig.
The fact that it may not be wearing SS insignia, notwithstanding.
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Springfield45
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 12:53 am |
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Rich,
My prayers are out to you, and everyone involved in this Horrific violation of your rights.... Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
~~Springfield
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Al Swartzlander
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 01:32 am |
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BB62
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 01:52 am |
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Gunslinger wrote: BB62 wrote: Mike (and John),
You may or may not recognize how much I support OC, but I for one think that the "Sieg Heil" titling is over the top...
I disagree. The people involved have to go after these pos nazis...
You're right - in that the police did what you said, but that's not my point.
Nothwithstanding the accuracy of the release, the NAZI reference does nothing but make it easier for those on the fence, whom we otherwise might sway to our side (or at least persuade to read the announcement, and maybe understand our viewpoint), to dismiss us as what the media has popularized us to be - NUTS. One might conclude that "crazed lunatics" would be a reasonable characterization, too.
Who is the press release's target audience? What is its purpose?
If the intent is to get hardcore RKBA people fired up, fine, but IMHO it is still over the top, and marginalizes us.
Last edited on Wed May 14th, 2008 01:55 am by BB62
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SicSemperTyrannis
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 02:09 am |
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BB62 wrote: Gunslinger wrote: BB62 wrote: Mike (and John),
You may or may not recognize how much I support OC, but I for one think that the "Sieg Heil" titling is over the top...
I disagree. The people involved have to go after these pos nazis...
You're right - in that the police did what you said, but that's not my point.
Nothwithstanding the accuracy of the release, the NAZI reference does nothing but make it easier for those on the fence, whom we otherwise might sway to our side (or at least persuade to read the announcement, and maybe understand our viewpoint), to dismiss us as what the media has popularized us to be - NUTS. One might conclude that "crazed lunatics" would be a reasonable characterization, too.
Who is the press release's target audience? What is its purpose?
If the intent is to get hardcore RKBA people fired up, fine, but IMHO it is still over the top, and marginalizes us.
I think the use of "Sieg Heil" is counter-productive and very unnecesary, especially considering how well the rest of the press release was written. Starting with such an overused, inflammatory Nazi-reference adds nothing to the story. It brings no new support to the cause. It may make (some) of us feel better, but I would think many moderately pro-gun folks (I am thinking of my brothers and some of my friends) will think it is over-the-top, which detracts from the very real issues presented.... just my two cents.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 02:56 am |
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I would have to agree with BB62 and SST. The title makes us out to be some kind of anti-government, anti police organization. It seems there has been alot of this type of talk in posts. It's not going to win us any votes when we need them. We already have one LEO website calling us anti government , anti LEO.
Maybe we should be careful in they way we say things. I'm not saying we have to be all PC but this may be stretching it .
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:22 am |
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Lthrnck wrote: We already have one LEO website calling us anti government , anti LEO.
Then I'd say that makes THEM anti-American.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:46 am |
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Theories have four stages of acceptance:
I) This is worthless nonsense.
II) This is an interesting, but perverse, point of view.
III) This is true but quite unimportant.
IV) I have always said so.
J.B.S. Haldane, 1963
It seems like those so easily offended by the title of this thread are stuck somewhere between the first and second stages.
In the short term titles such as "Sieg Heil! Dickson City, PA police..." may actually appear to do some harm at first glance.
But the true measure are what is gained over the long term...
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Rogue9er
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 03:54 am |
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It looks like the guys over at pafoa.org really aren't happy with the Sieg Heil thing either. We should probably respect those involved in the incident if they want it changed.
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Statkowski
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:11 am |
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My vote? Ditch the "Sieg Heil" and go with something equally short but less likely to make others think of us as gun nuts.
Dickson City Police Violate Citizen's Rights with Impunity.
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Statkowski
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 04:39 am |
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Mike's on-the-road interview with WYOU-TV:
http://pahomepage.com/media_player.php?media_id=15712
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 05:23 am |
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BB62 wrote: If the intent is to get hardcore RKBA people fired up, fine, but IMHO it is still over the top, and marginalizes us.
"Marginalises us"? What kinda liberal horse@#$% is this? You sound like one of those folks who wants reduced sentencing for criminals that had a bad childhood.
I bet you're wearing a "hug a wifebeater" shirt.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 05:32 am |
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I've been thinking about this for a few days and agree with BB62's and SST's posts above.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 06:06 am |
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Let me tell you about Pennsylvania Municipal Police Officers! Several years ago my uninsured PARKED car was hit on the street in front of my house at 3AM by a drunk. I had not bothered to change my address, and did not receive mail about a license suspension for failing to have insurance on A MV that was involved in an accident on a public street. Here in VT a Police Officer would tell you "park the car and get a licensed driver to come and get it", then issue a summons. Fast Forward. I had a contract job for 6 weeks in a township in PA and did not know I was suspended. I was stopped for my tires touching the double line by a township officer. He ran a VT DMV check and found my license was suspended. I was told "I would sit in jail with the drug addicts" if I didn't pay the fines for the moving violation and the suspended license charge on the spot. He followed me to a conv store where I had to purchase a money order for $300 some odd dollars to pay my "bail"! FOR TRAFFIC OFFENSES!Fast Forward a few more days.... I was walking to my job when a municipal officer from ANOTHER township ran up to me with an un-holstered Glock. He screamed at me "get on the ground"! The Glock was shaking in his hands! It turns out later he was looking for a 16 year old that tried to enter someones shed illegally. I was 44 at the time with a grey beard! I called an attorne in PA and he told me that a PA police officer can pull a gun on anyone anytime he has fear, and I have no case! Who the hell makes up these laws in PA?
Pennsylvania Municipal Police Officers are OUT OF CONTROL! PSP is VERY professional, but beware of municipal officers they are dangerous loose cannons on power trips!!!!!
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 06:30 am |
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| That was BS. YOu should call a better lawyer. This might have to go to Federal district court, but it was damn sure assault, unlawful detention, and, if you were cuffed, unlawful arrest.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:31 am |
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God speed, gentlemen....our thoughts, prayers and collective efforts are here for you. E-mails en-route. This is a disgrace and a slap to the face of Lady Liberty.
To the Dickson PD:
Justice may be blind, but our eyes are wide open and we're watching you.
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 07:47 am |
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zoom6zoom wrote: Since one of the folks who had their sidearm seized was a gunsmith, therefore an FFL, it becomes a Federal charge:
Section 923 (g), Title 18 USC requires each Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) to report the theft/loss of a firearm from the licensee, within 48 hours of discovery to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) by calling 1-888-930-9275 and to local law enforcement authorities.
Now even as a FFL-03 (C&R) I'm bound by those same regs and that's an excellent point!
Muahahaha....
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