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dontknow321
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Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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| If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see.
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deepdiver
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Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 08:34 pm |
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dontknow321 wrote: If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see. So concealed that would be ok because you don't want your children to know and see that law abiding citizens carry guns legally? Or you don't want such activity to instigate a discussion with your children about the United States Constitution and the rights it protects such as the right to keep and bear arms? I would think it would spark a great opportunity for a discussion about civics, self-determination and self-defense and that one of the reasons this is a great nation is that our constitution secures certain unalienable rights for the people and then to lead into a discussion of the ways that our modern government infringes upon those rights and how vigilant citizens can and do act to keep that government in check to ensure and sometimes regain freedoms. Instead of wanting to hide such legal behavior by law abiding citizens from your children, why not point it out in the context of, "Look, there is a citizen exercising his second amendment rights. In almost any other country citizens do not have such rights. Can you think of other ways that citizens and even you as a young citizen exercise your rights?"
PA has the highest number of concealed carry (CC) licensees in the nation so you are more likely to be next to someone CCing a firearm there than anywhere else so to not want them carried openly is really to just say that you do not want to admit that you constantly come in contact with law abiding citizens who legally carry firearms for self-defense. What if people only exercised their first amendment rights in secret? What if they only and always carried their books, magazines and newspapers hidden from view lest someone is offended or upset by what they choose to read? Would that make the citizens of this nation and your children more or less free?
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SpringerXDacp
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Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 09:29 pm |
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Well, at least most of his/her screen name applies. 
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Pa. Patriot
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Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 09:44 pm |
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dontknow321 wrote: If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see.
Why not? Specifically?
Are guns "obscene"? If so we better get the police to cover theirs too! 
Obviously that is not the case. So, just because you do not want to see, or your kids to see "guns". So what? Who cares? Seriously... carrying a firearm is a right in Pa. You're desire to not see them is irrelevant.
What about people that do not want to see BLACK people? Would that be a good reason for police to arrest blacks at OCB?
I await your reply.
Last edited on Sat Dec 13th, 2008 09:46 pm by Pa. Patriot
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suntzu
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Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 09:45 pm |
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dontknow321 wrote: If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see.
SO by this admission, you would not want LEOs to patronize the old country buffet while you and your family was dining--lest your children should see their guns?
OR are LEOs the only people who are trustworthy enough and "well trained" enough to carry a firearm in public?
Want to see what a "well trained LEO" is capable of? watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
this is a "well trained" LEO at work....
"think about the children" has been taken way to far--want to think about the children--take responsibility for teaching them gun safety and how to leave a gun alone and to not touch them unless you are closely supervising them, and quit buying them toy guns so they can plan "bang you're dead"--because that teaches them that guns are really toys after all....teach them how to be responsible around guns-.then try and tell everyone else how and where they should and should not carry because they should "think of the children"--fine--think of them and teach them that guns are not toys, but in the hands of RESPONSIBLE adults they (guns) are useful tools for self-defense in an ever increasingly evil world and can also provide hours of good, and yes, fun range time with CLOSE supervision--and even quality family time.
children learn quickly--if you do nothing but encourage them that guns are toys by buying toy guns for them, if you stand by and do nothing while they watch a cartoon where Bugs bunny shoots Elmer Fudd and then not explain to them that real guns are different and people will die if they are shot, if you do nothing but stand idle while the media educates your children for you--then don't complain when your children pick up your gun from your nightstand, or from your closet, or from under your bed and mimics what they see on televison....children follow examples--if you don't or are unwilling to set a good one--I'm sure the television media will be more than happy to set a bad one...
someone lawfully carrying a gun and minding their own business in public should not scare you--the bad guys carrying one and shooting everyone and anyone in sight should scare you very much....
it is the parents responsibility to teach real gun safety, it is the parents responsibility to teach children that guns are NOT toys
"think about the children"
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jahwarrior72
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Posted: Sat Dec 13th, 2008 11:10 pm |
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dontknow321 wrote: If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see.
really? you have exactly one post, and your first is this obvious? really? you actually thought no one would see through it? take your imaginary family and eat at Sheetz or something. go crawl back under your bridge, trollie trollstein.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 04:11 am |
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dontknow321 wrote: If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see.
Wow, I suggest this says more about you than some unfounded concern for your "family." I am nothing but proud when my 4 year old blurts out "look Daddy, he has a gun just like you do..." It would be cool if she would equate it to "look Daddy he cares about protecting his family just as much as you do..." but she hasn't quite got there yet. But she is definitely not afraid of seeing a person exercising their Constitutional Rights.
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TFred
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 05:11 am |
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Did anything ever happen here? This thread was dug up from way back... any updates?
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marshaul
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 05:18 am |
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dontknow321 wrote:
If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see.
lol, children might see guns!  Then, they might be curious! Then, I would have the responsibility as an adult to talk to them truthfully about firearms. It's much better to shelter our children so that they are ignorant of the world around them!
Please, what a sorry excuse for a parent. If you were doing your job, you would have no reason to "not want" your kids to see responsible adults properly and safely carrying a gun.
Now, begone. Less internet, more child-rearing.
That's right, I instructed you to go raise your kid.
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Aran
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 05:18 am |
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I wouldn't want to go eat at OCB with these guys either.
I'd be too busy stuffing my face to chat, and it'd be a wasted experience 
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 10:22 pm |
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| This has just gotten really retarded.
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rscottie
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 10:44 pm |
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dontknow321 wrote: If i were eating in the old country buffet with my chidren and family, i would not want people with guns coming in with their guns out in the open for my children to see.
 A gun mama, a gun!
That's ok dear, in this country in most states, we are still free and able to carry a firearm for personal protection. Those people are not bad guys honey and are nothing to worry about. Now, who want's dessert?
That's how I or my wife would have handled our little ones if they mentioned that someone was carrying a gun. There would have been no hysterics and this would have opened up even further discussions as their maturity level increased.
My specific question to you would be, why do you believe that children shouldn't see law-abiding people with guns? Do you teach them to be afraid of all things that are potentially dangerous or just guns? I'm just curious as to where your logic is coming from?
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Aran
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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| I liken it to right wingers who teach their children to be afraid of/negative toward homosexuals and minorities.
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jahwarrior72
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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Aran wrote: I liken it to right wingers who teach their children to be afraid of/negative toward homosexuals and minorities.
bingo. but don't tell that to the gentryfolk of Dickson City. i alluded to that, and they freaked out in denial. nevermind that i've been called "spic" and "nigger" there more than most places in Lackawanna County.Last edited on Sun Dec 14th, 2008 11:57 pm by jahwarrior72
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spurrit
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 11:41 pm |
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jahwarrior72 wrote: Aran wrote: I liken it to right wingers who teach their children to be afraid of/negative toward homosexuals and minorities.
bingo. but don't tell that to the gentryfolk of Dickson City. i alluded to that, and they freaked out in denial. nevermind that i've mind called "spic" and "nigger" there more than most places in Lackawanna County.
How about you edit that for clarity. It makes no sense, as-is.
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Aran
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 11:49 pm |
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spurrit wrote: jahwarrior72 wrote: Aran wrote: I liken it to right wingers who teach their children to be afraid of/negative toward homosexuals and minorities.
bingo. but don't tell that to the gentryfolk of Dickson City. i alluded to that, and they freaked out in denial. nevermind that i've mind called "spic" and "nigger" there more than most places in Lackawanna County.
How about you edit that for clarity. It makes no sense, as-is.
I think "mind" should have been "been".
Help any? (He's of ... crap, correct me if I'm wrong jah, but I'm pretty sure Hispanic descent)
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spurrit
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Posted: Sun Dec 14th, 2008 11:50 pm |
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jahwarrior72 wrote: Aran wrote: I liken it to right wingers who teach their children to be afraid of/negative toward homosexuals and minorities.
bingo. but don't tell that to the gentryfolk of Dickson City. i alluded to that, and they freaked out in denial. nevermind that i've mind called "spic" and "nigger" there more than most places in Lackawanna County.
How about you edit that for clarity. It makes no sense, as-is.
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marshaul
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Posted: Mon Dec 15th, 2008 12:00 am |
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| It makes perfect sense. "mind" was a typo for "been".
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jahwarrior72
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Posted: Mon Dec 15th, 2008 12:13 am |
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marshaul wrote: It makes perfect sense. "mind" was a typo for "been".
bingo. i kin haz brain cells? but yes, the reaction of the people in Dickson City was similar to the way they react when there are too many brown people in one place, or when a gay couple orders a meal in the Olive Garden. they deny it, of course, but the amount of times i've been pulled over, or approached by security while shopping, tells another story. so, i feel no sympathy for them, since the money for the settlement our guys will receive will come from their pockets. i hope they win millions.
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dontknow321
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Posted: Mon Dec 15th, 2008 01:03 am |
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| Is it all about the consititution or are you guys just taking advantage of the fact that you can do this. It may be constitutionally right, but when it comes to bringing them into a restaurant, why take it that far. You couldnt just leave them in your car. Or do you feel its right to make people uncomfortable with your presence ? To me it seems very childish, something a defiant high school teenager would do. I just do not understand why you would be so rude to bring innocent bystanders into your "right." I just want to know why you took it over the edge like that all of a sudden ? What could you possibly need to bring your guns into a family restaurant for?Thats all i want to know.
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