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Carnivore
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 06:19 pm |
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| E-mail to Front Line Armory P.A. Patriot.. I'm pretty sure the ole boy is still around.
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deepdiver
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 08:44 pm |
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Mike wrote: deepdiver wrote: I would never have done what MTN Jack did as I would expect to be at least hassled, if not arrested. At best an inconvenience, at worst an expensive defense and possible permanent black mark on my record that could have far reaching effects. I tend towards non-confrontational, quiet carrying and am quit adverse to being embroiled in a legal problem for numerous personal reasons that effect more people than myself.
So how big of a self-imposed exile zone do you give yourself when a major political event is held in a park?
Jack was in an adjacent park. Would you go to the park at the other end of town? In the next County? Next state?
And recall that nobody has profferred a rule of law that would make carry unlawful even at the Obama event per se.
I avoid them altogether. I don't like big crowds. I don't like unexpected surprises of suddenly finding myself at a security point and having to let someone paw through my personal belongings (happened to me in St. Louis the first year they imposed new security at a certain event), I don't want the hassle of having to either abort the trip because of some unknown security area or having to schlep back to the car to store my sidearm and then worry the rest of the day whether my car is going to be broken into or stolen. So as I said I would not have done what MTN Jack did.
Just to clarify and summarize my thoughts in case someone just reads this and not the entirety of my posts in this thread:
I wouldn't have done it as stated above. I totally support that MTN Jack did, I do not see that he violated any rule of law, this unsecured/unposted "security perimeter" is BS and OC needs people like MTN Jack who are willing to take such a risk of confrontation or worse with LEO.
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mvpel
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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I'm not suggesting that MTN Jack was acting in such a radical manner, however, he was certainly running a significant risk of a negative LEO encounter and I think he was certainly well aware of that.
When police think they are above the law, complying with the law can become a radical act.
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 06:24 pm |
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I see an analogy here... "Lets not form up on Lexington green... we might piss 'em off." "Don't sit in the front of the bus... we might piss 'em off."
Status Quo?
To quote the Motto of the SAS: "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui Audet Adipiscitur".
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Citizen
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 01:15 am |
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CowboyKen wrote: SNIP "a secured perimeter of a presidential candidate political rally."
Somebody is an idiot.
It can't have been a very secure perimeter if a guy handing out literature and wearing a gun was able to walk through and keep handing out literature.
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Pa. Patriot
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 02:48 am |
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Legal Defense fund raiser for Jack has been posted here:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/31704-fundraiser-mountain-jack.html
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Grapeshot
Founder's Club Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 02:53 am |
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Pa. Patriot wrote: Legal Defense fund raiser for Jack has been posted here:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/31704-fundraiser-mountain-jack.html
While I am sure that all donations will be appreciated, it would be wonderful to see a major contributor step forward, even anonymously.
Yata hey
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 08:22 pm |
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leo53 wrote: mtn jack is always welcome at camp runamuk(trout camp) with his gun.leave the bible home
Why? I mean, I'm not a religious person myself, but if Mountain Jack was to come to any place I was at, and wanted to bring his bible, I would not tell him to leave it home.
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Aran
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 02:01 am |
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Some people don't like having guns around, some people don't like religious paraphernalia around.
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Big Gay Al
Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 11:43 am |
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Aran wrote: Some people don't like having guns around, some people don't like religious paraphernalia around.
If people don't want my gun around, they don't want me around. I would think the same goes for a personal bible as well.
But that's just my opinion. 
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 12:34 pm |
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Big Gay Al wrote: Aran wrote: Some people don't like having guns around, some people don't like religious paraphernalia around.
If people don't want my gun around, they don't want me around. I would think the same goes for a personal bible as well.
But that's just my opinion.
+1 and I probably wouldn't want to be there anyway with those givens.
Yata hey
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mombrown1
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 05:52 am |
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I was outside the park delivering water to the attendees and handing out brochures for the Russell campaign. I had my weapon concealed in a holster just inside my waistband on my right side. I did not enter the park through the metal detectors. At times when I lifted my right arm my weapon was visible. I didn't experience any problems.
Now you want to know about a true 'police state' it was evident at the RNC Convention. The Secret Service positioned people in all the delegate hotels. There were LEO's on every bus transporting delegates. There were helicopters flying above, dogs sniffing around, and SS and LEO's everywhere. The TSA was repsponsible for the security checks. There were sharpshootters on top of all the buildings. Everywhere I looked there were suits and they had those little curled plastic things sticking out above their collars with the little thing in their ear.
Did it make me feel safer - not really. Actually I felt a bit suffocated.
PA doesn't have reciprocity with Minnesota so I did not have my gun with me.
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mombrown1
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 06:12 am |
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| I attended the GRPC also. I sat at towards the back of the room and wondered if those two local LEO's knew the amount of firepower that was in the room. They looked so authoritative standing behind Ron Paul with their backs to the wall and their thumbs in their waistbands.
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mombrown1
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 06:15 am |
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| Who is the SAS?
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Big Gay Al
Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 11:05 am |
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Just a guess, Second Amendment Sisters.
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mombrown1
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 12:31 pm |
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Big gay Al - Our thing is "Self-defense is a basic human right." I hope Noble sues the pants off Beaver and the State Police. I carried outside the stadium in Washington County when McCain/Palin came without a problem. The State Police always over-reach. They should stick to giving out speeding tickets.
I'm still looking in the constitution to find where it says we have the right to live "without fear." We live without fear because we are armed.
I'm the PA State Coordinator for SAS. Have a great day.
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tittiger
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 05:56 pm |
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This message is to let friends of MTN Jack know he has been arrested by The Secrete Service. Jack was open carrying with his Bible.
One Secrete Service Officer told Jan, Jack's wife, being close to a politician with a gun on your side is illegal and trumps States rights .
If anyone out there can help Jack, he is in Beaver, PA
thanks
Rjent1
Since when do our God given inalienable rights disappear near politicians?
If that is the case then why didn't his freedom of religion also disappear at the same time?
Why didn't the storm troopers then arrest Jack for his bible? After all that bible was not legal when his freedom of religion disappeared.
Why wasn't he arrested for talking, as his right to speech must have also disappeared when he was near a politician?
As far as Federal Law superseding state law since when does the employee order the employer around? The states are the sovereigns that created the federal government and are thus in the superior position. The ONLY time anything federal takes precedent is when it is a power explicitly delegated to the federal government in the Constitution. Such as the States explicitly giving the federal government a monopoly on coining money. Any other law stating anything different is unconstitutional.
We did not give the fed any powers concerning firearms! In fact we did the exact opposite in the second amendment!
The second amendment prohibits the feds from making ANY gun laws so how the hell do they get off saying carrying a fire arm near one of them is a crime? It's blatantly Unconstitutional.
Should those secret service agents not be arrested for violating their oath to uphold the Constitution? We all know what the penalty for treason is don't we?
In Liberty,
Joe Tittiger
http://truthtribune.com
Last edited on Fri Sep 19th, 2008 08:42 pm by tittiger
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 06:02 pm |
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tittiger wrote: This message is to let friends of MTN Jack know he has been arrested by The Secrete Service. Jack was open carrying with his Bible.
One Secrete Service Officer told Jan, Jack's wife, being close to a politician with a gun on your side is illegal and trumps States rights .
If anyone out there can help Jack, he is in Beaver, PA
thanks
Rjent1
Since when do our God given inalienable rights disappear near politicians?
If that is the case then why didn't his freedom of religion also disappear at the same time?
Why didn't Secret service then arrest Jack for his disappeared right to religion because was near a politician? After all that bible was not legal with disappeared freedom of religion.
Why wasn't he arrested for talking as his right to speech must have also disappeared when he was near a politician?
As far as Federal Law superseding state law since when does the employee order the employer around? The states are the sovereigns that created the federal government and are thus in the superior position. The ONLY time anything federal takes precedent is when it is a power explicitly delegated to the federal government in the Constitution. Such as the States explicitly giving the federal government a monopoly on coining money.
We did not give the fed any powers concerning firearms! In fact we did the exact opposite in the second amendment!
The second amendment prohibits the feds from making ANY gun laws so how the hell do they get off saying carrying a fire arm near one of them is a crime? It's blatantly Unconstitutional.
Should those secret service agents not be arrested for violating their oath to uphold the Constitution? We all know what the penalty for treason is don't we?
In Liberty,
Joe Tittiger
http://truthtribune.com
Great rant but not productive.
Yata hey
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Big Gay Al
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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tittiger wrote: This message is to let friends of MTN Jack know he has been arrested by The Secrete Service. Jack was open carrying with his Bible.
One Secrete Service Officer told Jan, Jack's wife, being close to a politician with a gun on your side is illegal and trumps States rights .
If anyone out there can help Jack, he is in Beaver, PA
thanks
Rjent1
Since when do our God given inalienable rights disappear near politicians?..........
First, you need to read ALL the messages, not just the first one, which was slightly in error. Mtn Jack was arrested, but NOT by the Secret Service. And in the previous hurricane that hit the Louisiana coast, it was the Democratic led state gov't that started the gun grabbing, not the Republicans, Gov. Jindal didn't take anyone's guns. So fix your web site.
Last edited on Fri Sep 19th, 2008 09:33 pm by Big Gay Al
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tittiger
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 11:16 pm |
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Big Gay Al wrote: tittiger wrote: This message is to let friends of MTN Jack know he has been arrested by The Secrete Service. Jack was open carrying with his Bible.
One Secrete Service Officer told Jan, Jack's wife, being close to a politician with a gun on your side is illegal and trumps States rights .
If anyone out there can help Jack, he is in Beaver, PA
thanks
Rjent1
Since when do our God given inalienable rights disappear near politicians?..........
First, you need to read ALL the messages, not just the first one, which was slightly in error. Mtn Jack was arrested, but NOT by the Secret Service. And in the previous hurricane that hit the Louisiana coast, it was the Democratic led state gov't that started the gun grabbing, not the Republicans, Gov. Jindal didn't take anyone's guns. So fix your web site.
Big Gay Al
What should I change on my web site? Since nothing about this is posted my web site.
Secondly I don't see one iota of difference about who arrested Jack. The Principles are the same either way.
Thirdly, I beg to differ over your politics, both of the socialist parties have been consistently treasonous on the second amendment and most of the others also.
In Liberty,
Joe
http://truthtribune.com
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