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Mike
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 03:07 am |
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In the email below a girls soccer club Director named Nigel Foundling seems to have written a judicial style reprimand to a Lebanon, PA soccer mom named Meleanie Hain to refrain from carrying a gun at soccer games in a public park - oh, but wait! . . . Foundling WAS a judge 'til he lost his election in 2005, see http://dsf.pacounties.org/lebanon/cwp/view.asp?A=3&Q=505361&pp=3.
Funny though - even when Foundling was a judge he could not lawfully issue any such gun banning démarche in local public parks in Pennsylvania.
According to Foundling's email, Foundling was going to report Meleanie to the Lebanon City Police Department as if Meleanie was doing something unlawful or as if the police could enforce Foudling's edict that she not carry in a public park as soccer games anymore. It seem logical to assume Foundling did contact the police and that the police, there having been no law broken, passed the report onto Sheriff DeLeo, who to spite Meleanie, revoked her license to conceal handguns - meaning, Meleanie now is required to open carry in public parks.
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:12:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: soccernf@wavecrazy.net
Subject: LRYS Letter to behavior at U-6 game 11 Sep 08
X-Originating-IP: [68.164.121.121]
To: [REDACTED]
Cc: parkdaves@comcast.net, short777@verizon.net
Meleanie Hain,
Lebanon Recreation Youth Soccer has been advised of your inappropriate behavior at LRYS U-6 game on Thursday, 11 September 2009. Not only did your behavior scare the children but the coaches and parents were unsettled, especially on this date. A responsible adult would realize that such behavior has no place at a soccer game.
LRYS advised you that firearms, unless carried by an on-duty law enforcement officer are not permitted at any soccer practices, games or events. LRYS considers this a warning letter and any further incident will result in you being banned from that and any further LRYS soccer games or events for the balance of the season. In addition Lebanon City Police Department will be advised of your actions and this previous warning.
Nigel Foundling
Director
Lebanon Recreational Youth Soccer
Attachment: Sheriff Deleo revocation of Meleanie Hain LTCF on 17 SEP 08.pdf (Downloaded 174 times) Last edited on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 03:28 am by Mike
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Mike
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 03:13 am |
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Oh, and does anybody know who the folks in Foundling's cc line are?
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UPDATE: I found a correlation of parkdaves@comcast.net to a David Strohm, listed as a girls soccer coach in the LEBANON VALLEY YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUE at http://www.leagueusa.com/~banjo/files/2008%20U12U14%20COACHES.xls.
And at the same link, short777@verizon.net is correlated with Jeff Short, purportedly a soccer coach for the same league.
It is not clear why these gentlemen were CCed by Foundling.
Last edited on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 03:38 am by Mike
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Shotgun
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 01:27 pm |
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Sounds to me like a whole bunch of people ought to OC at the next soccer game.
Maybe a real judge will correct this travesty.
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DKSuddeth
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 02:35 pm |
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under what color of authority would a soccer league founder have control over laws regulating carrying weapons?
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 04:11 pm |
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See thread http://tinyurl.com/4pdctu for additional information.
Yata hey
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PrayingForWar
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 05:17 pm |
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| I looked at the election link, that foundling "donkey" was both republican and democrat, how did he do that? Also I noticed he says "Sept 11, 2009" in the email. Can he see into the future, or is he so vapid that he can't even proof read his BS.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 05:23 pm |
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PrayingForWar wrote: I looked at the election link, that foundling "donkey" was both republican and democrat, how did he do that? Also I noticed he says "Sept 11, 2009" in the email. Can he see into the future, or is he so vapid that he can't even proof read his BS.
He is very corn-fused and not responsible for errors or ommissions by his staff....or himself. Come on now, he jus' a good-ol'-boy, a wolf wearing wool. 
Yata hey
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Doug Huffman
State Researcher
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 10:45 pm |
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Mike wrote: gun banning démarche in local public parks
Demarche? Diplomatic complaint, diplomacy, finesse,
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Theseus
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 10:49 pm |
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My e-mail to the sender NF:
You are exactly what this country needs!!
The more you call police and have people’s concealed permits removed they will be forced to open carry! The more people open carry, the more the public will understand and accept that law abiding citizens can and do carry their guns with little to no consequence unless someone as ignorant as you calls law enforcement. If this person WAS causing such a scene and widespread panic then where were the police? Nowhere to be found. Why? What she was doing apparently didn’t cause such widespread panic or disruption. And for a cowardly person to use 9/11 as an excuse to be an idiot just shows what this country and its people have come to. If anything 9/11 is the day we should more forcibly exercise our rights within the law so that idiots like you are reminded that we do have them.
For a little background, I live in Los Angeles, California one of the most restrictive places to own a gun, let alone carry one openly in the streets and I carry my gun everywhere I am legally allowed INCLUDING AYSO soccer games! If the police won’t protect idiots like you, I have to…so next time you are there perhaps you should try and shake her hand and thank her for being prepared to protect your life when you certainly seem not to.
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Lonnie Wilson
State Researcher
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Are judges in PA required to be a part of the PA bar? This would be an interesting way of filing a disciplinary complaint against him.
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RedKnightt
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 04:37 am |
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I went to post this in the original thread, but for some reason it has been closed and a new one opened?
The gang at PAFOA.org have recently started up "summary" threads where they post only the relevant information on hot issues to keep the signal/noise ratio as big as possible. Here's the one for this issue:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/32946-shefearsnothing-s-revocation-legal-info-thread.html
Greg Rotz (gnbrotz) and Richard Banks (Pa Patriot) are two of the main guys in what is lovingly referred to as the "OC Mafia" on PAFOA.org and will be updating this thread as developments occur.
--RedKnightt--
Zombie Squad has it right: “We hold fast to the belief that if you are prepared for a scenario where the walking corpses of your family and neighbors are trying to eat you alive, you will be prepared for almost anything.”
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mvpel
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 06:03 pm |
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The more I consider this case, the more irritated I get. This is a slap in the face not just to open carriers, but to all gun owners.
It's not a big leap from this Sheriff's asinine notion that open carry indicates a character flaw and a tendency to violence, to the notion that owning a gun indicates a character flaw and a tendency to violence.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 06:12 pm |
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mvpel wrote: The more I consider this case, the more irritated I get. This is a slap in the face not just to open carriers, but to all gun owners.
It's not a big leap from this Sheriff's asinine notion that open carry indicates a character flaw and a tendency to violence, to the notion that owning a gun indicates a character flaw and a tendency to violence.
Precisely so.
You must have a copy the playbook of those that     when they see an OCer.
Yata hey
Last edited on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 06:14 pm by Grapeshot
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ne1
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 11:35 pm |
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| I wonder how "upset" the soccer moms would be if they knew the statistical probability that they encounter many more concealed carriers everyday.
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P-11 shooter
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 03:01 am |
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Hello, everybody. I am a new member here, but longtime member of the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association http://www.pafoa.org
Melanie is also a member here and I assure you there is a storm brewing and the sheriff is on the wrong end of it. There is a lengthy discussion thread, as well as a locked information thread that I will post links to soon (the site is down for maintenence)
Our members have been in a few legal battles over OC lately and have, and will continue to come out on top. As we speak we have 3 members with active legal battles. I haven't searched your site yet, but I am sure news of them has made it here. Just wanted to let you know that we are doing our part here in PA and the sheriff in this case will soon be reinstating her license.
There is a donation thread I can also link to if anyone is interested in helping her out. The lawyer will cost $1100 and any extra money will be held for our next legal action (seems to be happening quite a bit) Keep up the good work guys ~P-11
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 03:11 am |
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P-11 shooter wrote: Hello, everybody. I am a new member here, but longtime member of the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association http://www.pafoa.org
Melanie is also a member here and I assure you there is a storm brewing and the sheriff is on the wrong end of it. There is a lengthy discussion thread, as well as a locked information thread that I will post links to soon (the site is down for maintenence)
Our members have been in a few legal battles over OC lately and have, and will continue to come out on top. As we speak we have 3 members with active legal battles. I haven't searched your site yet, but I am sure news of them has made it here. Just wanted to let you know that we are doing our part here in PA and the sheriff in this case will soon be reinstating her license.
There is a donation thread I can also link to if anyone is interested in helping her out. The lawyer will cost $1100 and any extra money will be held for our next legal action (seems to be happening quite a bit) Keep up the good work guys ~P-11
Thanks for the update - we do not shoot messangers here  .
Yata hey
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P-11 shooter
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 03:13 am |
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Here is a copy of the letter I sent him. I also spoke to him on the phone, along with others from our forum. He has received many letters from PAFOA members,and who know how many from out of state.
Dear Sheriff Deleo,
It has recently come to my attention that you revoked the LTCF of one of my fellow Pennsylvanians for lawful open carry. You stated, “On September 11, 2008 you were observed at Optimist Park in Lebanon. At this time you were carrying your weapon openly in a belt holster. Unfortunately, some of the individuals at the Optimist Park were upset. Consequently, you are required to surrender your license.”
You then sited section 6109, (e) (1) (i) informally known as the “character clause” as the reason for revoking the license. Being a law enforcement officer, I’m sure I do not have to tell you that openly carrying a firearm not illegal in any way, and it also does not show a person is likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety.
Words simply do not express my outrage at this situation. It is my opinion that you have severely overstepped your bounds in this situation. Not only were your actions in revoking this license completely un warranted, they quite possible fall under the definition of official oppression. I’m sure this is not the only letter you will receive on this matter.
As a responsible gun owner who chooses to lawfully open carry I am alarmed at your willingness to revoke someone’s license for legal, responsible behavior. Hopefully, you will see the errors in your ways and re-instate the license without the need for legal action being taken. I can only hope in the future you will follow the law as it is written.
Pennsylvania gun owners will not put up with this inappropriate behavior any longer, and any further inappropriate revocations are sure to be met with legal action. Enclosed is a memo of Pennsylvania gun laws. It may be wise to brush up on the law in order to prevent problems like this in the future.
Sincerely,
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P-11 shooter
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 10:35 am |
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Oh, and just in case anyone else is as pissed as we are, then here is the good sheriff's contact information. I'm sure he's already gotten numerous letters, calls, faxes, and e-mails. But an OVERWELMING show of support is never a bad thing.
Mailing Address:
Lebanon County Sheriff's Office
Room 3, Municipal Building
400 South 8th Street
Lebanon, PA 17042-6794
Phone Number:
(717) 274-2801 Ext. 2356
(717) 228-4410
Fax Number:
(717) 279-8398
General E-mail:
sheriff@lebcnty.org
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deepdiver
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 01:00 pm |
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Wow. What an abject abuse of authority under color of law. I look forward to reading of this sheriff's comeuppance.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 03:41 pm |
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I am sure that by now he is filtering/screening everything but the sheer volume of it has got to get his attention.
Yata hey
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