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Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 10:25 pm |
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Another outrageous incident in a nonthreatening setting and, again, the perpetrator is a police officer. What is worse, (see video) is now the residents of the neighborhood want changes to "people carrying guns in their community".
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Couple-Claims-Off-Duty-Police-Officer-Shot-Their-Dog-Bruce-Willis.html
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insane.kangaroo
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Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 11:38 pm |
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| "As Stan tells it, when he was about to go out the door with Bruce, an Akita mix, another man started to come into the building with his dog." |
Actually, that's all I need to know... Akita. They're known to have a bad attitude, especially if not trained correctly. Not many people know how to properly handle an akita, I know a person's family member at work as well who has a 5 year old akita who did bite their family member... 10 stitches.
I'm not going to pre-judge, but if the akita was running towards the officer I'd shoot it too.
Also, as another side note, REAL dog trainers will not touch the Akita breed. Just as they will not touch any breed which is half wolf. REAL trainers who train police dogs, will bash any akita breed to hell as an incompetant, irrationally angry, and a dog which they wouldn't want around their own family.
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Aran
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Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 12:59 am |
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Frankly, Furball, you seem too anxious to shoot something, anything.
Maybe you should sell your guns. Buy a nice new fursuit or something.
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insane.kangaroo
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Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 01:09 am |
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Aran, well if a dangerous dog starts running towards you teeth bare and growling... I'll allow it to attack you while I will only call in to report it. 
Also, reading more information on the story, the dog seemed to be an akita-pitbull mix. Pitbulls being fine strong dogs, but then mixed with an akita which is known there are many bad owners out there as pitbull owners, doesn't seem like a good mix to me for any situation.
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nepawolf
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Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 07:10 am |
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First off, I could barely hear that guy talking on the recording. If an Akita was barking in the background, I doubt the officer heard him. Second, a retractable leash on an akita is extremely irresponsible. Third, he said his dog got away from him. If you didn't hear him say that, that's why he heard and not saw him shoot his dog. The guy was not in control of a vicious dog, plain and simple. That's called being irresponsible. He really expects charges on the other guy? Get real. He should be charged. If that had been a kid walking a dog, and not on off duty cop, good odds that the kid would be dead. I'm sorry the dog is dead, I am. I love animals. But, this guy was out of his league with what he had. Besides which, apartments of that style usually ban large (and vicious) dogs.
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captlou
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Posted: Sun Jan 25th, 2009 11:52 pm |
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in my days as a first responder with our community ambulance, i went to a call where an akita mix kinda like that bit this guys thumb off. It was HIS dog too!!!
The best part of all of this was the fact that the dog still had the guys thumb and it was running around the house when we pulled the up to the house. As soon as we tried to open the unit, the dog came charging down the steps at us and chased us back in the unit. Luckily for us, we were a bunch of young guys and we all made it back in time :-) Fortunetly, the guy with the missing digit came down the steps and towards the unit followed by the dog who was growling and snapping at him and got in the unit. the guys son came down after we had him loaded up and tried to get his fathers thumb from the dog in hopes that it could be reattached.
In the end, he had to shoot the dog because it bit him (he ended up with 12 stiches in his forearm) when he went for what was left of his fathers thumb. needless to say, it was too badly mangled to be reattached. That was like one of the first ambulance calls i was ever on too. What an experience that was.
If it had charged me, i too would have shot it...and i love animals.
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lou
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agentw0
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Posted: Thu Feb 5th, 2009 02:47 am |
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| A dog presents quite a bit of danger to an Officer, especially if the Animal is precieved to be hostile. I am not for just shooting Dogs, but I will not just let one come and attack me either, especially if the owner cannot get it under control
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Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 03:50 pm |
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Are officers even trained how to tell an attacking dog from a playful one?
Meter readers and postmen are. A stupid 20minute training video teaches reasonably well how to interprets a dogs intentions basically instantly.
I saw dozens of dogs every day, trampling thru their yards on the way to the owners electric meter. I stayed away from a few. Got bit by a lot of tiny "cute" dogs that I knew were going to bite me, but they just weren't big enough to care about. But I only had a couple real incidents with "dangerous dogs", neither resulting in a bite.
The officer was claims he was "afraid of being attacked". Actual threat? Poor training? Attempt at rationalizing a power trip?
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insane.kangaroo
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Posted: Thu Feb 12th, 2009 09:44 pm |
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Elkad wrote: Are officers even trained how to tell an attacking dog from a playful one?
One word... Akita
Another word(s) Akita-pitbull mix... oh yes... a good sturdy reliable family dog(pitbull) mixed with an dog which is protects it's territory and family to the death(Akita).
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jahwarrior72
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Posted: Fri Feb 13th, 2009 01:44 am |
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| here we go with the dog profiling. other than my kids' pomeranian-chihuahua mix, i'd be hesitant to shoot any dog, regardless of it's breeds supposed built in behavior.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13th, 2009 02:13 am |
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jarwarrior... akitas are akitas...
I know breeds fairly well. Malamutes are also like people say they are, though I put up with mine. It all has to do with how the owner will treat the dog. Akitas will always be defensive/aggressive to the point of uncontrol, ask any real trainer worth his salt.
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jahwarrior72
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Posted: Fri Feb 13th, 2009 02:46 am |
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this is similar to the argument the Brady Bunch uses to vilify gun owners. stop sounding like a jackass. i know you're not one.
"pit bulls are dangerous dogs; they're bred for fighting, and have jaws that will bite through Superman's ass. they can also jump 30 feet into the air, and are used only by gangbangers to bite rivals during drive by dog-walking."
i've heard this bull@#$% for years, and it always sounds stupid. akitas, dobies, rotties, pits, they all get their turn. a dog is a dog. either you raise it well, or you don't. there's no excuse for having a people-aggressive dog.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13th, 2009 03:08 am |
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With all due respect, genetics do play a large part in the attitude of the dog. Certain dogs have a higher prey drive than others. Akitas happen to be very much so with the whole ignorance behavior which makes them a difficult breed. I deal with an ignorant breed, a malamute, which if I'm not careful even a butterfly will dissuade her attention from me.
Akitas are one of the worst dogs you'll ever want to have around anyone which isn't in your pack/"family", and the possibility of the dog challenging your kids, though unlikely.
If you want to be that ignorant and throw a red herring statement like the Brady Bunch, I'll ignore it. Go get information from real trainers who train PPD and police dogs, they'll just reiterate what I'm saying. If akitas were such good dogs, they'd use them for their work, and I can tell you they don't.
Ask them about an Akita for a good protection dog and they'll laugh you off the phone. They'll inform you how terrible of an OB problem and prey drive which inflicts the breed.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13th, 2009 01:33 pm |
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The most important issue here seems to be the fact that the owner of the dog could not control it and it charged the officer. This isn't a whole lot different than a really big guy coming at you with a knife. Should Akita's be banned? No. However, if you refuse to control your animal properly and it assaults someone, your beloved pet does risk the chance of being killed. That ignores the fact that if it survives the attack, it's likely to be put to sleep anyways. If you have a dangerous breed of dog and it attacks someone due to your negligence, there should be charges pressed against you. I have no problem with people owning "dangerous breeds," but if you are irresponsible and endanger other people's lives, then you ought to be charged instead of going on the internet and complaining to the world how horrible it is that someone defended their life and killed your dog, and how he shouldn't have had a gun, blah blah blah. This is no different then someone walking down the street, carrying a firearm, and it going off accidentally and almost killing someone. The guy's negligence threatened someone elses life.
For the record, I love animals.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13th, 2009 02:09 pm |
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nepawolf wrote: Should Akita's be banned? No
I agree. Just like people should be able to own a full wolf as a "pet" if they want. They should properly take care and use a fenced enclosure. With the incident from OP, the guy should've had a fenced yard with a "warning dangerous dog" sign. The dog owner's fault, not the cops, the anger from this thread being directed at the cop is WRONG.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13th, 2009 09:48 pm |
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| It's time to acknowledge a tragic fact: There are too many cops out there who get up every day praying for a excuse to shoot somebody or something. Police work attracts those least fit for it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 06:24 pm |
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insane.kangaroo wrote: The dog owner's fault, not the cops, the anger from this thread being directed at the cop is WRONG.
I'm not disputing that the owner may have been at fault. (Though for all we know, the cop's dog started the problem). That doesn't change the fact that too many cops don't even attempt to use non-lethal means on a dog, they just skip right to shooting it. Dog spray works in 99% of cases. Stun guns work 100%. Mr OffDuty probably didn't have either of those, but the dog was on a (long) leash, simply backing up would likely have worked.
Cops should be held to a higher standard. It's part of the job.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 06:51 pm |
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Dog spray? As in pepper spray? Pepper spray's effects do not work immediately unlike what the movies will have you believe. If a dog breed I know is aggressive running towards me even say 2 golden retrievers and a mini dobie on the beach... guess what, I'm going to get me gun out and shoot every dog running towards me. I've had this happen once, and I was without ANY weapons. I jumped in front of my dog because it is what they were going after. I about kicked the tiny one in to the ocean, I was PISSED. Next time, I'm shooting them. There is no sense in a person having a unleashed dog or a dog he knows is aggressive in an uncontained area.
Spray yourself in the eyes with "dog spray"/pepper spray, it takes a bit of time to take effect. Just make you're you're not rubbing your eyes and you're using a lot of water, cause it doesn't make it any better when you rub your eyes.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 01:56 am |
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old dog wrote: It's time to acknowledge a tragic fact: There are too many cops out there who get up every day praying for a excuse to shoot somebody or something. Police work attracts those least fit for it.
Dogs aren't aware that they're supposed to be afraid of cops, and the police, unlike most people, will sometimes shoot you just for being happy to see them.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 02:58 pm |
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insane.kangaroo wrote: Dog spray? As in pepper spray? Pepper spray's effects do not work immediately unlike what the movies will have you believe.
I mean dog spray. Halt! or Muzzle are 2 major brands, specifically formulated for dogs. A dog's nose/eyes work differently than ours, so human-formulated brands don't work well (if at all). It's not instant, but I've used it to turn away a charging dog on several occasions. Only in one did it fail, so I stuffed an expensive handheld computer in the pit bull's mouth when she jumped, which occupied her long enough for me to get back in my truck.
No, its not for a surprise situation vs anything with the jaw strength to do major damage on the first bite. And there are surely some dogs that need shooting (right after their owners). But cops, just like meter readers and mailmen, should be specifically trained in how to deal with dogs. Including when to just get back in the car.
OffTopic: Credit to Honeywell , the computer maker, because that Dolphin handheld was stout! Dog returned to attack it again after it couldn't get to me, and spend a couple minutes trying to destroy it. 1500ft/lbs of jaw strength resulted in only cosmetic damage.Last edited on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 03:00 pm by Elkad
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