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Pol Mordreth
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Posted: Tue Jun 9th, 2009 03:32 am |
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Hey all, I'm goinh to be visiting PA for a buddy's wedding the second weekend in August. I'm going to mostly be in Lancaster County, from the city to marietta and lititz; and possibly up to Lebanon to visit family. Can anyone give me a heads up on the local PD responses to OC? I have my TN permit, and I know it's recognized in PA. Any specific off limits places? I grew up in the area, but wasn't a carrier while living there.
Thanks!
Pol
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Statkowski
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Posted: Tue Jun 9th, 2009 01:05 pm |
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Go here (http://paopencarry.org/) and print out a copy of the Open Carry flyer.
Basically (since you already have a license/permit recognized by Pennsylvania):
No carry in court facilities or (maybe) on school property (K-12 only).
No open carry in state parks.
Bars, churches, restaurants, county/local parks all okay.
Last edited on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 01:06 pm by Statkowski
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Pol Mordreth
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Posted: Tue Jun 9th, 2009 03:13 pm |
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Thanks, Statkowski.
Anyone local to the area that can give me a heads up on the LEO climate for OC? I'd rather not end up having an issue in, say, Manheim and not be able to resolve it before I have to go home.
Thanks,
Pol
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XD40coyote
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Posted: Tue Jun 9th, 2009 06:45 pm |
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A while back I looked into PA recognizing TN lisc's for CC and I didn't see TN listed, has this changed or did I look at something wrong? Not an issue to OC though, PA recognizes all states' carry lisc's for vehicle transport/keep in vehicle. You only then have to OC when you step out.
I would suggest NOT carrying at k-12 schools and an out of state lisc means you have to stay outside the 1000 foot school zone, which is stupid I know. Local cops may not care if you are CC if they don't know, if you are on a public sidewalk inside the stupid 1000ft zone, but OC puts a big ol sign out.
Police in those areas KNOW OC is legal, Lebanon is where Meleanie Hain lives LOL, and where her soccer mom with a gun incident happened. Lancaster has some people who OC, not been much of an issue there.
While OC on foot you do NOT have to:
-show an officer any carry lisc
-show them a driver's lisc or other ID
You may want to peruse pafoa.org for all pertinent legal info on what to say or not say to LEO's, the full laws on carry ( which includes pre-emption- a sign at a county park saying "no weapons" is in violation of the pre-emption law).
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Skeptic
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 12:48 am |
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Since I have a similar question I thought maybe I would piggyback here.
Are there problems with either open or concealed carry in either Philly or Pittsburgh, or the State College area?
We are trying to plan our vacation at the moment. Already know we are going to Knoebels, just not sure where else.
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shefearsnothing
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 01:35 pm |
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Well you should have absolutely no issues in Lebanon. I mean, they all definitely know the law by now. 
Seriously, if you have some time when you're in Lebanon we should do lunch or dinner or something. Always nice to meet a fellow poster. 
Have safe travels. 
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WheelGun
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 05:21 pm |
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Pol Mordreth
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 01:50 pm |
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Thanks all for the responses.
shefearsnothing, I don't know what our agenda will be yet, I know we have to get together with both my family and my wife's family, plus the wedding. I'll pm you with contact info closer to the trip and maybe we could meet up.
Thanks,
Pol
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virginiatuck
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Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2009 04:58 pm |
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Skeptic wrote: Since I have a similar question I thought maybe I would piggyback here.
Are there problems with either open or concealed carry in either Philly or Pittsburgh, or the State College area?
We are trying to plan our vacation at the moment. Already know we are going to Knoebels, just not sure where else.
Pennsylvania has complete preemption of laws regulating firearms. Pennsylvania's firearm laws are pretty well organized. This isn't a direct link to the firearms laws, but takes you to the main Westlaw page containing the entire code: Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. CRIMES AND OFFENSES, Part II, Article G, Chapter 61. FIREARMS AND OTHER DANGEROUS ARTICLES.
The state prohibits any carrying of a firearm without a license in Philadelphia, a city of the first class. Pittsburgh is a city of the second class, so there is no such prohibition.
I've read of OC encounters with police in the Pittsburgh area, none positive. I think the consensus in Pittsburgh (and Allegheny county) is that OC is not allowed, even though there is no law against it. If you can legally CC, i.e. have a recognized permit/license, it would be recommended for a non-resident on vacation. Unless your idea of a vacation is dealing with police and unlawful detention/arrest.
I lived in Allegheny and Washington Counties for 20+ years and never saw anyone but uniformed police OC. Lots of people have LTCF and do carry, but CC was the norm in southwestern PA. Maybe things have changed in the last decade, though, as I only visit occasionally. Still, when I visit, I do not see OC in southwestern PA.
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fingers80002
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 04:57 am |
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virginiatuck wrote: Skeptic wrote: Since I have a similar question I thought maybe I would piggyback here.
Are there problems with either open or concealed carry in either Philly or Pittsburgh, or the State College area?
We are trying to plan our vacation at the moment. Already know we are going to Knoebels, just not sure where else.
Pennsylvania has complete preemption of laws regulating firearms. Pennsylvania's firearm laws are pretty well organized. This isn't a direct link to the firearms laws, but takes you to the main Westlaw page containing the entire code: Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. CRIMES AND OFFENSES, Part II, Article G, Chapter 61. FIREARMS AND OTHER DANGEROUS ARTICLES.
The state prohibits any carrying of a firearm without a license in Philadelphia, a city of the first class. Pittsburgh is a city of the second class, so there is no such prohibition.
I've read of OC encounters with police in the Pittsburgh area, none positive. I think the consensus in Pittsburgh (and Allegheny county) is that OC is not allowed, even though there is no law against it. If you can legally CC, i.e. have a recognized permit/license, it would be recommended for a non-resident on vacation. Unless your idea of a vacation is dealing with police and unlawful detention/arrest.
I lived in Allegheny and Washington Counties for 20+ years and never saw anyone but uniformed police OC. Lots of people have LTCF and do carry, but CC was the norm in southwestern PA. Maybe things have changed in the last decade, though, as I only visit occasionally. Still, when I visit, I do not see OC in southwestern PA.
There are lots of people who OC in SW Pa.
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virginiatuck
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 12:56 pm |
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fingers80002 wrote: virginiatuck wrote: Skeptic wrote: Since I have a similar question I thought maybe I would piggyback here.
Are there problems with either open or concealed carry in either Philly or Pittsburgh, or the State College area?
We are trying to plan our vacation at the moment. Already know we are going to Knoebels, just not sure where else.
Pennsylvania has complete preemption of laws regulating firearms. Pennsylvania's firearm laws are pretty well organized. This isn't a direct link to the firearms laws, but takes you to the main Westlaw page containing the entire code: Title 18 Pa.C.S.A. CRIMES AND OFFENSES, Part II, Article G, Chapter 61. FIREARMS AND OTHER DANGEROUS ARTICLES.
The state prohibits any carrying of a firearm without a license in Philadelphia, a city of the first class. Pittsburgh is a city of the second class, so there is no such prohibition.
I've read of OC encounters with police in the Pittsburgh area, none positive. I think the consensus in Pittsburgh (and Allegheny county) is that OC is not allowed, even though there is no law against it. If you can legally CC, i.e. have a recognized permit/license, it would be recommended for a non-resident on vacation. Unless your idea of a vacation is dealing with police and unlawful detention/arrest.
I lived in Allegheny and Washington Counties for 20+ years and never saw anyone but uniformed police OC. Lots of people have LTCF and do carry, but CC was the norm in southwestern PA. Maybe things have changed in the last decade, though, as I only visit occasionally. Still, when I visit, I do not see OC in southwestern PA.
There are lots of people who OC in SW Pa.
Are you saying it's the norm? How many strangers did you see openly carrying a firearm yesterday? And last week? Where?
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shefearsnothing
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 01:54 pm |
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Considering the training updates this year there should not be any issues with any area of PA. Of course should not and will not are two different things.
Remember that we often hear all about the negative encounters and not so much the non-encounters. We probably here 50% or so of the "positive" encounters. Just saying....don't rely entirely on what you read because you're not getting reports on 100% of encounters no matter what area we're talking about.
I agree with fingers. I've heard from lots of people who OC in western Pa and they have not had any issues at all. Anything can happen even in what one might consider the most "OC friendly" area, don't you think? A person can OC to a place literally hundreds of times with no incident and then one day....
Last edited on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 01:55 pm by shefearsnothing
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virginiatuck
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Posted: Mon Jun 15th, 2009 03:46 pm |
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shefearsnothing wrote: Remember that we often hear all about the negative encounters and not so much the non-encounters. We probably here 50% or so of the "positive" encounters. Just saying....don't rely entirely on what you read because you're not getting reports on 100% of encounters no matter what area we're talking about.
There are OC report threads in the Virginia forum that are heavily used. Take http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/3995.html (Open Carry in NoVA), for example. People report both positive and negative OC experiences. I haven't found a thread like that for any area of Pennsylvania.
It's a common type of thread to draw in new contributors, too. Whoever came up with the idea is a genius.
So here's one for SWPa. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum46/27203.html
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