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georgedonnelly
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Posted: Sun Jan 10th, 2010 02:37 am |
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Simply unbelievable police work. Open carrying + stating it's legal + telling cop he can't arrest or detain me just for open carrying + asking for his business card = arrest for disorderly conduct.
http://georgedonnelly.com/asides/warwick-cop-disorderly-conduct
No I won't take it down, so don't ask me to.
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Citizen
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Posted: Sun Jan 10th, 2010 03:07 am |
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Sue. They know better. The Melanie Hain open-carry LTCF revocation situation in Lebanon was all over the news last year.
Give the money to charity if it makes you uncomfortable keeping it.
SuperModerator Mike may be able to point you to an attorney. Mike is from Lancaster at some point in his life. He went a few legal rounds with Lancaster Sheriff a while back, and won. SSN demand on an LTCF application, if I recall.
Last edited on Sun Jan 10th, 2010 03:09 am by Citizen
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Dreamer
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Posted: Sun Jan 10th, 2010 03:11 am |
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Sorry to hear about this event, and the less you say about the better, but thanks for posting it.
You need to find a GOOD civil rights attorney and file against him with the FBI under Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241, 242, and 245-2(e).
(If the restaurant you were in when this even happened is a National chain, it falls under the "facility of interstate commerce" clause under Title 18, U.S.C., Section 245-2(e))
Now, here is what you need to do:
1) before you set foot outside your house again with a firearm, you need to, at the very least, purchase a good digital audio recorder.
2) find a GOOD civil rights lawyer, and file under the Federal "color of law" code, AND when you show up for your "disorderly" hearing, have your lawyer move to dismiss the case based on Civil Rights Violations, and have him let the court know that you have already filed a Federal Civil Rights complaint. Call the ACLU, or the NRA--they may be willing to help...
Go to this website:
http://paopencarry.org/pa-open-carry-training-memos
and download the official PA "open carry memo" and provide it to your lawyer. And you DEFINITELY want to submit it as an exhibit in your defense at your "disorderly" hearing, because it will establish, from the VERY START, that this "officer" was acting under "color of law" and finctioning FAR outside his legal bounds.
We need to hit these unlawful activities of our "public servents" where it hurts--in their wallets, and in their service records. They ONLY understand dollars, and if you can cost the city money in a civil rights settlement, and potentially imact this "officer" with financial penalties and a tarnished service record, maybe THEN they will understand that they are the SERVANTS of the public, not our masters, and that they MUST follow the law, just as we must.
BTW, when an LEO acts under "color of law", he is no longer covered under the immunity clause for Law Enforcement. A successful Civil Rights Violation makes him PERONALLY liable for damages and penalties to you, the city, and the Federal Courts...
Good luck, and LAWYER UP!
Last edited on Sun Jan 10th, 2010 03:16 am by Dreamer
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suntzu
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Posted: Mon Jan 11th, 2010 02:14 am |
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http://www.warwick-bucks.org/directory/twpdirectory.htm
Contains the entire staff directory for the nice township of Warwick.
Including the "Chief of the local police".
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Mon Jan 11th, 2010 05:04 am |
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Talk to attorney and say no more here that he does not authorize.
Do let us know what you can, when you can and definitely how this turns out.
Yata hey
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Pa. Patriot
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Posted: Mon Jan 11th, 2010 05:13 am |
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Active discussion here:
http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-144/85044-warwick-township-bucks-county-detective-arrests-me-disorderly-conduct-oc.html
Unfortunately the OP has chosen to not take any serious advice... seriously.
Not sure what to make of it.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Mon Jan 11th, 2010 05:25 am |
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To the OP - is there any definitive information available? Court date, citation?
Yata hey
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Sig229
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Posted: Mon Jan 11th, 2010 07:39 am |
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Grapeshot wrote: To the OP - is there any definitive information available? Court date, citation?
Yata hey
I haven't found any arrests under the OP name in the statewide court database of Pennsylvania. Not in any of the counties.
I will check back later this week, it may appear then. Sometimes it takes a few days for an arrest record to get into the court systems computers.
Last edited on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 07:29 pm by Sig229
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Sig229
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Posted: Wed Jan 13th, 2010 03:13 am |
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georgedonnelly,
Any updates for us?
I have been keeping an eye on the court docket and arrest records in your area, and I still haven't seen anything charges for you come up.
Keep us posted when you can, this issue if very important to all of us here.
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georgedonnelly
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Posted: Wed Jan 13th, 2010 12:03 pm |
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Sig, yes, a minor update.
I filed a complaint with Warwick police, video of that here:
http://georgedonnelly.com/asides/filed-complaint-warwick-police
Or see the video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtkLfgryO5U
Nothing much to see.
I filed a right to know with Warwick and an expanded one with Plymouth for the attack 3 months ago. Today I am also filing a complaint with Plymouth.
Apologies if posting a link to my own website seems improper but it is simply efficient and I have no ads there, I don't make money from it in any way, so it's not for that.
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georgedonnelly
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Posted: Wed Jan 13th, 2010 06:51 pm |
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The investigator at Warwick emailed me to say that they investigated and then passed it on to the Bucks county DA to let them sort it all out. The disorderly conduct charge appears to be in limbo for now.
Here is an email exchange between the investigator and myself:
http://georgedonnelly.com/asides/warwick-police-pass-case-bucks-da
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