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mdgary
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 07:18 pm |
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Where do we start to get reciprocity between GA and SC? What needs to be done? Georgia should at least recognize SC because we do have to take an 8hr firearms safety and training course to obtain a CWP. In GA. training is not required and I can see where that may be a problem with SC.
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 09:16 pm |
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http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t23c031.htm
SECTION 23-31-215. Issuance of permits.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, except subject to subsection (B) of this section, SLED must issue a permit, which is no larger than three and one-half inches by three inches in size, to carry a concealable weapon to a resident or qualified nonresident who is at least twenty-one years of age and who is not prohibited by state law from possessing the weapon upon submission of:
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(N) Valid out-of-state permits to carry concealable weapons held by a resident of a reciprocal state must be honored by this State. SLED shall make a determination as to those states which have permit issuance standards equal to or greater than the standards contained in this article and shall maintain and publish a list of those states as the states with which South Carolina has reciprocity.
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PT111
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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mdgary wrote: Where do we start to get reciprocity between GA and SC? What needs to be done? Georgia should at least recognize SC because we do have to take an 8hr firearms safety and training course to obtain a CWP. In GA. training is not required and I can see where that may be a problem with SC.
Ain't gonna happen unless some major changes. Georgia will only recognize SC if SC will recognize theirs. SC will only recognize GA's if they require some kind of training. Unless the full recognition bill passes in the next legislature it is not going to happen.
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mdgary
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 12:27 am |
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 OUT LOUD!!!
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340mopar
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 04:08 pm |
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All SC residents... simply obtain a New Hampshire Non-res permit.
$20 for four years. You are as good as gold in GA.
GA. residents.... it's just not that simple. unless all GA residents go in on a small piece of property... I have no answer fer ya...
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mdgary
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Posted: Sat Sep 13th, 2008 03:47 am |
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340mopar wrote: All SC residents... simply obtain a New Hampshire Non-res permit.
$20 for four years. You are as good as gold in GA.
GA. residents.... it's just not that simple. unless all GA residents go in on a small piece of property... I have no answer fer ya...
my NH permit is for five years!
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340mopar
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 09:01 pm |
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odd
http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/ssb/permitslicensing/documents/dssp260.pdf
their website only offers 4 years for $20...
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PT111
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 09:21 pm |
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I think the permits expire in the month of your birthday and if timed right you can get alomst 5 years out of it.  It is a minimum of four years or at least I think that is the way it works. Since my application was the same month as my birthday I only got an extra half-month. 
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mdgary
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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Mine were issued on 12-09-2007 expire 09-30-2012
It's about 4yrs and 9 mos. I think
Last edited on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 09:34 pm by mdgary
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Peacemaker
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 04:36 am |
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SC is very annoying for GA resident who carries a firearm. Even with a GFL and a Utah non-resident they infringe upon my carry rights. One could be a world renown firearms expert, olympic gold medalist shooter, and police trainer and SC would consider him a "untrained Georgian". So much for full faith and credit.
By the way, Georgia has a lot of its own problems that a lot of folks are working on getting changed. If the Lord is willing, we will be without the onerous public gathering law next session.  Last edited on Wed Sep 17th, 2008 04:38 am by Peacemaker
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shooter z
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 05:40 pm |
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| While I don't feel we need permission to carry [NOT saying I carry ilegally] I feel if we need a permit then there should be training required. After all you need training and test to get a drivers licence as well as other licences also require training and tests
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 05:44 pm |
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And in SC the NRA profits thirty pieces of silver from training requirement infringements. This is why OC will never sail in SC, not until the NRA is tarred, feathered and run out of the State on a rail.
(b) an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association or another SLED-approved competent national organization that promotes the safe use of handguns;
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mdgary
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 03:59 am |
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Doug Huffman wrote: And in SC the NRA profits thirty pieces of silver from training requirement infringements. This is why OC will never sail in SC, not until the NRA is tarred, feathered and run out of the State on a rail.
(b) an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association or another SLED-approved competent national organization that promotes the safe use of handguns;
How do we get rid of the NRA$$?
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 11:41 am |
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One 'member' at a time. Convince one member at a time of the NRA's perfidy.
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PT111
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 12:15 pm |
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Doug Huffman wrote: And in SC the NRA profits thirty pieces of silver from training requirement infringements. This is why OC will never sail in SC, not until the NRA is tarred, feathered and run out of the State on a rail.
(b) an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association or another SLED-approved competent national organization that promotes the safe use of handguns;
You need to include the entire section to put it into context:
(5) "Proof of training" means an original document or certified copy of the document supplied by an applicant that certifies that he is either:
(a) a person who, within three years before filing an application, has successfully completed a basic or advanced handgun education course offered by a state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency or a nationally recognized organization that promotes gun safety. This education course must be a minimum of eight hours and must include, but is not limited to:
(i) information on the statutory and case law of this State relating to handguns and to the use of deadly force;
(ii) information on handgun use and safety;
(iii) information on the proper storage practice for handguns with an emphasis on storage practices that reduces the possibility of accidental injury to a child; and
(iv) the actual firing of the handgun in the presence of the instructor;
(b) an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association or another SLED-approved competent national organization that promotes the safe use of handguns;
(c) a person who can demonstrate to the Director of SLED or his designee that he has a proficiency in both the use of handguns and state laws pertaining to handguns;
(d) an active duty police handgun instructor;
(e) a person who has a SLED-certified or approved competitive handgun shooting classification; or
(f) a member of the active or reserve military, or a member of the National Guard who has had handgun training in the previous three years.
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Doug Huffman
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 12:21 pm |
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And what 'context' is that, please? How many, what fraction of SC certified CWP instructors are from/through other organizations than NRA?
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Peacemaker
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 01:25 pm |
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Doug Huffman wrote:
And in SC the NRA profits thirty pieces of silver from training requirement infringements. This is why OC will never sail in SC, not until the NRA is tarred, feathered and run out of the State on a rail.
(b) an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association or another SLED-approved competent national organization that promotes the safe use of handguns;
Do you mean unlicensed OC will never fly? SC could continue to require a license but then not require the pistol to be concealed. This is the reverse of what happened in Georgia. For many years a license was required to carry a pistol openly. In the 90s, language was added that it could be concealed. That's why even today it is a Georgia Firearms License and not a Concealed Carry Permit.
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340mopar
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 05:23 pm |
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Peacemaker wrote: SC is very annoying for GA resident who carries a firearm. Even with a GFL and a Utah non-resident they infringe upon my carry rights. One could be a world renown firearms expert, olympic gold medalist shooter, and police trainer and SC would consider him a "untrained Georgian". So much for full faith and credit.
By the way, Georgia has a lot of its own problems that a lot of folks are working on getting changed. If the Lord is willing, we will be without the onerous public gathering law next session.
Yes, but you guy have a realy good public lobby system, unlike SC.
You Georgia Paking and Georgia Cary sites provide a great public door.
a lot of public presure goes through the members and a lot of legal presure from the sites ... If SC had that we would likely be pushing some serious walls down.
Reciprocity, restaraut carry, open carry...
In SC we are divided to goto sites like this that are not SC specific... don't get me wrong, I love this site ... but to fight a war in your own back yard, you need a good homefront....we just don't have one.
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PT111
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 05:38 pm |
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Doug Huffman wrote: And what 'context' is that, please? How many, what fraction of SC certified CWP instructors are from/through other organizations than NRA?
I am just wondering why you are posting the qualifications required to get a permit rather than be an instructor. The part that you posted is one of the ways that someone can get a CWP.
The only thing I can find on requirements for being an instructor is as follows:
23-31-210
SLED shall promulgate regulations containing general guidelines for courses and qualifications for instructors which would satisfy the requirements of this item. For purposes of subitems (a) and (b), "proof of training" is not satisfied unless the organization and its instructors meet or exceed the guidelines and qualifications contained in the regulations promulgated by SLED pursuant to this item.
I have no idea about who certifies them but the part you posted has no bearing on instructor qualifications and the quote above makes no mention of the NRA.
Last edited on Thu Sep 18th, 2008 05:38 pm by PT111
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mdgary
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 07:22 pm |
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Yes, but you guy have a realy good public lobby system, unlike SC.
You Georgia Paking and Georgia Cary sites provide a great public door.
a lot of public presure goes through the members and a lot of legal presure from the sites ... If SC had that we would likely be pushing some serious walls down.
Reciprocity, restaraut carry, open carry...
In SC we are divided to goto sites like this that are not SC specific... don't get me wrong, I love this site ... but to fight a war in your own back yard, you need a good homefront....we just don't have one.
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What do we need to do to get our own site for sc, It won't be a problem getting the people to the site,We just need a loud voice,someone that will be heard.
Just an idea!
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