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malignity
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 01:19 pm |
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I've been contemplating switching my ammo for personal protection in my .40 S&W. Right now, I carry standard Winchester JHP's, which I imagine would do the trick, but after googling different pictures of other personal protection ammo, I realize that there are a lot of other ammunition's out there that have a bigger bore and probably have more stopping power. I started doing research, and I've got a tossup between multiple ammunitions.
Right now, I've considered the following:
Federal HST
Winchester Rangers
Cor Bon DPX
Speer Gold Dot
Federal EFMJ
Any preferences? Why or why not?
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Dustin
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 01:35 pm |
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Speer Gold Dot.
If you match up the ballistics, the Gold Dot comes out on top.
This is what I choose, and why. 
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DocV
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 05:00 pm |
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| Make sure that the round you choose feeds and cycle reliably and that point of aim is the same as point of impact. There can be variations between loads and manufacturers.
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Dahwg
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 05:17 pm |
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Federal HST is what I've gone with. In every test I've seen it always expands the exact same way- consistently. It outperformas all other ammo hands down. Downside is that many stores won't sell it because it's labeled LE only. I've got a small stockpile so I know you CAN get it. This is what every single HST I've ever seen looks like when it's been recovered. Jacket-Core separation is almost unheard of.
Here's a good article on wound ballistics.
http://le.atk.com/pdf/Ft_CollinsPoliceDpmt.pdf
Last edited on Tue May 5th, 2009 05:22 pm by Dahwg
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malignity
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 11:24 pm |
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*bump*
Any more feedback? I'm liking what I've read so far.
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Dustin
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 12:28 am |
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Ge the Ballistics for each and post them here. That will give you one perspective.
I'll try and do this tomorrow at work if no one else does.
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smash29
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 02:54 pm |
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| Vote #2 for Gold Dot here.. Most every LE department I read about when I was trying to make my decision carried Gold Dots, Rangers, or HSTs so, all things being equal, I went with the GDs because they were the easiest (and cheapest) to find.
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Dustin
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 04:03 pm |
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Forget about Ranger Ammo, its LE only so screw them.
Federal Hydra-Shok
20 rounds
COST = $21.00 to $24.00
Ballistics//
Muzzle Velocity - 1140 fps
Muzzle Energy in ft lbs - 447
Speer Gold Dot
20 rounds
COST = $21.00 to $24.00
Ballistics//
Muzzle Velocity - 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy in ft lbs - 496
Not a whole lot of difference, but enough to lead me to choose Speer Gold Dot. Plus I found the Federal ammo higher, and harder to find.
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Agent19
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 04:08 pm |
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This info is a little dated but still useful.
http://www.handloads.org/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=11&Weight=All
more info
http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_26&products_id=32Last edited on Thu May 7th, 2009 04:11 pm by Agent19
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Dustin
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 04:26 pm |
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Agent19 wrote: This info is a little dated but still useful.
http://www.handloads.org/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=11&Weight=All
more info
http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_26&products_id=32
I don't see any valid reason for creeping over 1200 fps. Then you start having to worry about Over penetration as if you were shooting a 9mm.
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Agent19
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 05:03 pm |
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Many loads exceed the 1200fps with no over penetration issues.
There are many loads that are subsonic that penetrate further.
Personal preference.
Last edited on Thu May 7th, 2009 05:05 pm by Agent19
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Dustin
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 05:16 pm |
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Agent19 wrote: Many loads exceed the 1200fps with no over penetration issues.
There are many loads that are subsonic that penetrate further.
Personal preference.
Yea like 9mm rounds right ?
Which is why LE Departments have just about all switched over to .40 and up.
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Agent19
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 05:26 pm |
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Dustin wrote: Yea like 9mm rounds right ?
Which is why LE Departments have just about all switched over to .40 and up.
No one is discussing 9mm except you.
The OP carries a .40, the link I provide was for .40.
Okay we get it you don't like 9mm especially +p or +p+.
Air Marshals carry glorified 9mm's, they don't seem too concerned with over penetration.
Ill. State police have been using 9mm+P+ ammo for yrs and are happy with it and they carry Glocks( ).
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Dustin
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 06:21 pm |
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Agent19 wrote: Dustin wrote: Yea like 9mm rounds right ?
Which is why LE Departments have just about all switched over to .40 and up.
No one is discussing 9mm except you.
The OP carries a .40, the link I provide was for .40.
Okay we get it you don't like 9mm especially +p or +p+.
Air Marshals carry glorified 9mm's, they don't seem too concerned with over penetration.
Ill. State police have been using 9mm+P+ ammo for yrs and are happy with it and they carry Glocks().
Slow down and read a little.
I said there's no sense in having a round go any faster than 1200. Otherwise you'd run the risk of over penetration LIKE 9mm's have. Which is exactly WHY LE departments ACROSS the nation DO NOT ALLOW 9mm's. So NO they are NOT happy with 9mm, which is why they are switching to begin with.
This all revolves around the speed of the bullet, which is completely relevant to the topic at hand. It has nothing to do with my personal feeling towards 9mm. I could careless. I'm using the 9mm’s over penetration speed, in comparison as to why he SHOULD NOT worry about having a round faster than 1200.
I've got lot's of LE in the family, from across Louisiana. They all have said that their departments have all made the switch to .40S&W or higher b/c of the dangers of over penetration, and for better knockdown power. Proving again, that speed is not what is needed, nor should it be desired.
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Agent19
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 07:03 pm |
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Many LEO agencies still issue 9mm's.
NYPD, LVMPD Ill. State Police just to name a few.
What is the .357Sig if not a glorified 9mm going real fast, it is issued to Air Marshals.
Many agenciies that don't issue 9mm still allow officers to carry it on and off duty.
I have no issues with .40 @ speeds >1200 fps depending on bullet design as with any other caliber.
When you compare the top (pistol) loads on this chart most are close or exceed 1200fps.
http://www.handloads.org/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0
Again personal perferrence, risk vs benefit.
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malignity
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 08:19 pm |
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Dustin wrote: Forget about Ranger Ammo, its LE only so screw them.
Are you sure about this? I know it USED to say this on the box, but so did Federal HST's, and I've seen places where you can buy both Federal HST's, as well as Rangers. I guess I need some clarification on this, because I was actually leaning toward Rangers until I read this.
Last edited on Thu May 7th, 2009 08:21 pm by malignity
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 08:58 pm |
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So i just thought i would give my $0.02 on personal defense rounds, i have the magsafe rounds and sorry for no link but they are a lighter round then the standard hollow point and they reduce recoil by 20% i think as well as they have 6 little bb's in the bullet tip, they dont over penetrait and dont richochet, they say something along the lines of 64+ grain. Over all they are a awesome round for self defense, i use them in my glock 17 and my taurus pt 1911 45. acp. They run about $20 bucks for 8 rounds.Again im sorry for the lack of a link.
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 09:00 pm |
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http://www.magsafeonline.com/ here is the link to there web site.
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malignity
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 09:06 pm |
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I've seen those before, and almost considered them until I saw the price/ratio of ammo. Unfortunately, my magazine carries 14, and I have 2 mags, so I'd easily be spending close to $100 for them, where I can get a box of 50 Federal HSTs for around $37'ish. :/
Last edited on Thu May 7th, 2009 09:06 pm by malignity
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Dustin
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 09:10 pm |
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malignity wrote: Dustin wrote: Forget about Ranger Ammo, its LE only so screw them.
Are you sure about this? I know it USED to say this on the box, but so did Federal HST's, and I've seen places where you can buy both Federal HST's, as well as Rangers. I guess I need some clarification on this, because I was actually leaning toward Rangers until I read this.
http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/
Ranger® Law Enforcement
At Winchester Ammunition, we're committed to designing, developing and manufacturing the finest handgun, rifle and shotshell ammunition in the world. We are extremely proud of the products we offer.
The Winchester Ranger line of ammunition is available only to law enforcement agencies and is not available to the general public.
Check out there Logo. It's for COPS and it reads:
I will not support them with my money $$$ eitherway.
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