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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 06:07 pm |
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IMPORTANT NOTE FOR UTAH CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT HOLDERS- NO MORE NEVADA CARRY!
Nevada authorities have decided that Utah Concealed Weapon Permits will NOT, repeat NOT, be recognized in Nevada effective July 1, 2009.
Even though Nevada has recognized Utah permits for several years, they recently reviewed permits from all states and decided that they will no longer recognize permits from Utah or Florida. The excuses given are that Nevada law requires the other states permit requirements to be “substantially similar to” those of Nevada. However, since Utah does not require live fire to get a permit, Nevada will not longer recognize our permit. Florida permits are good for seven years, but Nevada permits are only good for five years, providing the excuse for dropping Florida.
The people involved with Nevada permits seem to include a few powerful members of the law enforcement community who are hostile to private citizens self defense rights.
Utah Shooting Sports Council and the National Rifle Association will continue to pursue actions to restore recognition of Utah permits by Nevada, but it may take several years and changes to the Nevada laws.
Meanwhile, DO NOT CARRY IN NEVADA with a Utah Concealed Weapons Permit!
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:07 pm |
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Good thing I have a Florida CFP! 
...sorry Utah CFPers, this includes my wife...
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:19 pm |
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I am in process of writing letters to the major Nevada Chambers of Commerce informing them that while I typically spend at least half a dozen nights in Nevada each year, I will no longer make any unnecessary stops nor spend any discretionary money in the State of Nevada as long as this assault on my freedom continues.
Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce
6671 Las Vegas Blvd S Ste 300
Las Vegas, NV 89119
Mesquite Chamber of Commerce
12 W Mesquite Blvd Ste 107
Mesquite, Nevada 89027
Wendover Area Chamber Of Commerce And Tourism
P.O. Box 2468
West Wendover, NV 89883
Reno Sparks Chamber of Commerce
1 E 1st St Ste 1600
Reno, NV 89501
Carson City Area Chamber of Commerce
1900 S Carson St Ste 200
Carson City, NV 89701
I urge all of you to do the same.
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rpyne
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:21 pm |
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ProtectedBy9mm wrote: Good thing I have a Florida CFP!
...sorry Utah CFPers, this includes my wife...
They are dropping Florida as well.
Even though Nevada has recognized Utah permits for several years, they recently reviewed permits from all states and decided that they will no longer recognize permits from Utah or Florida. The excuses given are that Nevada law requires the other states permit requirements to be “substantially similar to” those of Nevada. However, since Utah does not require live fire to get a permit, Nevada will not longer recognize our permit. Florida permits are good for seven years, but Nevada permits are only good for five years, providing the excuse for dropping Florida.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:26 pm |
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Also being talked about at Utah Concealed Carry.
http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5824
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ProtectedBy9mm
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 07:26 pm |
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rpyne wrote: ProtectedBy9mm wrote: Good thing I have a Florida CFP!
...sorry Utah CFPers, this includes my wife...
They are dropping Florida as well.
Yes, hence the emoticon beating his head against the wall.  
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SGT Jensen
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:11 pm |
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Why is everyone so down, they are forcing you to carry openly in Nevada! We should be celebrating!!! 
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:16 pm |
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I just called Nevada Department of Public Safety and talked to a lady by the name of Guinevere (like King Arther's wife) that deals with reciprocity with other states. She said they are not releasing an official statement but on July 1st the website would be updated to reflect upcoming changes. She said to check the website on July 1st for those changes.
Nevada Webpage: http://nvrepository.state.nv.us/Special/CCW_CHANGE.shtml
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:43 pm |
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:44 pm |
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Nevada Cop: "Surprise! You are now a felon and here are some silver bracelets!"
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 08:50 pm |
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SGT Jensen wrote: Why is everyone so down, they are forcing you to carry openly in Nevada! We should be celebrating!!!
Yes, but have you looked at their open carry restrictions? Under their definition of "school" you would have a hard time finding a place in some towns that were not a school zone.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 01:31 am |
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The NRA-ILA update came in the e-mail today:
Nevada Will No Longer Recognize Utah and Florida Right-to-Carry Permits
Thursday, June 25, 2009
Effective, July 1, Nevada will no longer recognize Right-to-Carry permits from Utah or Florida. They have, however, added Ohio and West Virginia as recognized states.
Each May, the Nevada Department of Public Safety conducts an audit of states and their Right-to-Carry laws for the purpose of determining which states it will recognize.
The Nevada DPS dropped Utah because it does not have a live fire requirement, which is a part of Nevada's training requirements. When the Nevada DPS first began its state by state audit of Right-to-Carry laws in 2007, DPS admitted to NRA representatives that they overlooked the live fire training requirement. After further review, they determined that Utah wasn't similar enough to keep it on the list of recognized states.
Florida will no longer be recognized because its permits are now valid for seven years instead of five.
The Nevada DPS and the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs will be hosting their annual Right-to-Carry forum in Carson City in August with a teleconference feed to Las Vegas. We encourage all members to attend this informational meeting. Details will be forthcoming.
Please continue checking your email and http://www.NRAILA.org for updates.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5001
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 05:33 am |
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I love how the NRA calls our permit a "Right-to-Carry permit". 
This reminds me... I need to renew my "free speech permit", and my "right to remain silent" permit. 
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 05:48 am |
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I didn't notice that before, Sarge. Thanks for pointing that out. Weird...
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 09:07 am |
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Dude. This blows! I wonder if there are any incidents on record that would justify the necessity of such a change in their policy. Why is it that politicians make preemptive modifications to legislation with no factual basis for such changes? Do these people sleep better at night now knowing that Utahans and Floridians will not be carrying concealed firearms through their beloved state? Where is the love?!
I wonder if any criminals from Utah and Florida, that like to shoot highway patrolmen dead for pulling them over for broken tail lights, will stop carrying concealed weapons now because of this new change? Hmmm. Oh yeah, they will be running scared I'm sure.. Not! But hey.. what do ya do when you economy is in the crapper and you need to generate a new source of revenue?... .Yeah.. I see motive here indeed. The law-abiding citizens caught unawares have jobs and pay taxes and can also pay tickets and forfeit property... Yeah.. I see where this is really coming from.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 04:23 am |
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SGT Jensen wrote: Why is everyone so down, they are forcing you to carry openly in Nevada! We should be celebrating!!!
Since when do those in the pro-RKBA community celebrate government FORCING anything on any peaceful, law-abiding citizen?!?!??!!?
Look, I understand those who are passionate about OC.
What I don't understand is ANY disdain for CC or CCC.
When it comes to firearms, I am strictly pro-choice. OC, CC, or CCC; .45 or 9mm, .380, .22 or .44 or anything in between. Indeed, I don't even care whether someone else even wants to carry or even own a gun. I will happily respect the choices of others. All I expect is that my choices will be respected by the law.
And the ONLY caveat I have to any of this is that I do get annoyed when those who chose to own guns and those who choose to carry guns, then conduct themselves in an illegal, stupid, unsafe, or even impolite manner thus casting dispersions on gun owners generally. I'd prefer--but cannot and would not mandate into law--that the stupid, ignorant, or rude acquire some intelligence, knowledge, and civility BEFORE buying, owning, and/or carrying guns.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 05:41 pm |
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utbagpiper wrote: SGT Jensen wrote: Why is everyone so down, they are forcing you to carry openly in Nevada! We should be celebrating!!!
Since when do those in the pro-RKBA community celebrate government FORCING anything on any peaceful, law-abiding citizen?!?!??!!?
Wow... Way to take my comment literally. You are beginning to seem like the critical father that I never had. 
It should be obvious to most here that the State of Nevada is not forcing anyone to do anything. The Legislature in Nevada chose to give the power of permit recognition to a group of people who obviously do not care about armed citizens. We are lucky here in Utah that our Legislature has give the BCI very little power.
The people who chose to drop recognition of our permits know that we will not start carrying openly in Nevada. They probably never even considered it! But for just a second, I thought to myself... "Wouldn't it be nice if everyone who used to conceal legally in Nevada, suddenly started carrying openly? That might convince them to reconsider their choices."
Most of my comments made here have a little humor attached to them. Anyone who has read this forum for more than a week probably realizes this, and might also realize that I hate restrictions. Do a little searching and you will find that I want everyone to have the choice to do whatever the hell they please with a firearm. Former Felons? Hell yeah!! If they're not locked up, give them Liberty!
The fact remains, however, that this happened in NEVADA! A state where our voices are irrelevant. This was an attack by a small group of men that decided to limit the freedoms of a larger group of men. You could be critical of these obviously anti-freedom men, but no, you chose to attack me. AGAIN!
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And the ONLY caveat I have to any of this is that I do get annoyed when those who chose to own guns and those who choose to carry guns, then conduct themselves in an illegal, stupid, unsafe, or even impolite manner thus casting dispersions on gun owners generally.
Why don't you come clean Charles? I have a lot of respect for the hard work you do. You were paving the way for my freedoms long before I ever thought to exercise them. But it is becoming clear to me that I am slowly becoming a thorn in your side. Why is that? Does my choice to push the limits of open carry threaten you? Are you afraid that I will somehow undo all of your hard work?
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Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 07:15 pm |
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SGT Jensen wrote: utbagpiper wrote: SGT Jensen wrote: Why is everyone so down, they are forcing you to carry openly in Nevada! We should be celebrating!!!
Since when do those in the pro-RKBA community celebrate government FORCING anything on any peaceful, law-abiding citizen?!?!??!!?
Wow... Way to take my comment literally. You are beginning to seem like the critical father that I never had.
It should be obvious to most here that the State of Nevada is not forcing anyone to do anything. The Legislature in Nevada chose to give the power of permit recognition to a group of people who obviously do not care about armed citizens. We are lucky here in Utah that our Legislature has give the BCI very little power.
The people who chose to drop recognition of our permits know that we will not start carrying openly in Nevada. They probably never even considered it! But for just a second, I thought to myself... "Wouldn't it be nice if everyone who used to conceal legally in Nevada, suddenly started carrying openly? That might convince them to reconsider their choices."
Most of my comments made here have a little humor attached to them. Anyone who has read this forum for more than a week probably realizes this, and might also realize that I hate restrictions. Do a little searching and you will find that I want everyone to have the choice to do whatever the hell they please with a firearm. Former Felons? Hell yeah!! If they're not locked up, give them Liberty!
The fact remains, however, that this happened in NEVADA! A state where our voices are irrelevant. This was an attack by a small group of men that decided to limit the freedoms of a larger group of men. You could be critical of these obviously anti-freedom men, but no, you chose to attack me. AGAIN!
utbagpiper wrote:
And the ONLY caveat I have to any of this is that I do get annoyed when those who chose to own guns and those who choose to carry guns, then conduct themselves in an illegal, stupid, unsafe, or even impolite manner thus casting dispersions on gun owners generally.
Why don't you come clean Charles? I have a lot of respect for the hard work you do. You were paving the way for my freedoms long before I ever thought to exercise them. But it is becoming clear to me that I am slowly becoming a thorn in your side. Why is that? Does my choice to push the limits of open carry threaten you? Are you afraid that I will somehow undo all of your hard work?
I agree 100% with Sgt. Jensen (it's funny how alike he is with our family, we decided to adopt him. whether he likes it or not.) It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, that felons are barred from owning firearms. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that felons can not own firearms... Many felons did not commit crimes that even deserve the title "felon". "the RIGHT to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed" sounds to me like EVERYONE has EVERY right to keep and bear arms, as long as they are LEGAL RESIDENTS. My cousin mike is a christian pastor, really sweet guy... he made a dry ice bomb on 4th of july, and was sent to PRISON for 2 years... for putting water and dry ice in a bottle... on FOURTH of july... and then he was considered a felon for 2 years (he got it taken off though) but I think that it is ridiculous at the charges people get from things... a freakin dry ice bomb... big freakin deal! Kinda off subject, but still pertained to gun rights.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 02:30 pm |
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http://www.armedandsafe.com/default.html
Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Training
Next classes: Reno Sat June 27th-9am to 5pm New/ 1-5 Renewal ( NV + UT)
Sacramento Sunday June 28th- noon to 4 or 5pm (UT ONLY)
Reno Sunday July 5th (Noon-8pm NEW/ 4-8pm Renewals NV + UT)
WCSO is NOT open Friday, July 3rd,
WCSO WILL BE open Mon. July 6th (8am-4:30pm)
*See additional class dates below or call for private appointment
Armed and Safe Firearms Training in Reno is proud to offer concealed weapons permit instruction. All U.S. citizens who can legally possess a firearm are eligible for the Nevada, Utah and Florida permits, allowing for carry in over 30 states. They SHALL be issued a Nevada and/or Utah permit upon completion of the class and background check. Nevada's permit must be applied for in-person, weekdays (private all-inclusive one-day class and application to the SO can be scheduled). Utah and Florida are mail-in applications.
Our CCW permit class for Nevada/Utah is one day, approximately 8 hours. UTAH only class and CCW PERMIT RENEWALS (every 5 years) are 4 hours in length. All CCW classes include the Utah CCW signoff (no extra fee to us). CHANGE effective July 1st, 2009: NV will NO LONGER recognize the UT CCW permit for carry in NV.
To reserve a space in a scheduled class ( see dates below)
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Schedule a private class, please call(775)560-2741, email: armedandsafe@sbcglobal.net, or fill out the brief form through the CONTACT US tab ( above).
No payment due until the day of class and we NEVER cancel scheduled classes (no minimum number required, but sometimes classes fill, so reserve your spot today!)
Reno classes: Summer 2009 Patriot Special (for those who love this country) $60 men and women. Range fees and all materials are included, BYO ammo. Due to the shortage of ammo, we have ammo available for class if you can't find it. .45ACP .40S&W 38Special 9mmLuger .380Auto
Private classes start at $150, special pricing for groups, based on
California classes are $80(additional fees for range, fingerprinting and other services, optional)
States that recognize the Nevada and/or Utah permits (some require residency): Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wyoming.
The class covers:
Gun safety and handling, Marksmanship, Cleaning, Safe storage, Transportation, Holster Choice, Retention/Defensive techniques, Concealed-carry techniques, Federal, State(s) and Local laws, Legal and Ethical issues surrounding use of Deadly Force, what to expect/say during and after self-defense, Civil Liability risk, Reciprocity state-to-state, Resources for up-to-date information and Permit application procedures.
Our Reno classroom is in Scheel's so if you have your own gun(s), bring (or buy at Scheel's) 30 rounds of new factory ammo for each semi-automatic, unlimited number. Nevada's permit requires qualification specific to make, model and caliber (not serial number). If you buy a new semi-automatic later, you can add it for free dring any shoot portion of our classes (expect to pay your range fee and tip for any gun additions). If you shoot any revolver ( 25 rounds) you can carry ANY revolver. We will supply everything you need to complete the class: classroom guns (if needed), eye and hearing protection, targets and classroom supplies. You are welcome to bring your own eye and hearing protection.
Course of Fire is 25-30 rounds at a full silhouette target with all rounds kept in the 8-9-10 rings ( and 8x11 inch area - standard piece of paper) at 7 yards ( 21 feet = self-defense distance). Our instructor to student ratio is 1:2 on the firing line, 1:1 when needed. We have a perfect safety record!
You must be 21 to apply for a CCW, but those under 18 are welcome to take the class with special permission of instructors - handguns are generally not appropriate for children under 12 years of age. Minors must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian. (Documentation will be required. Call for details.)
Reno Classes $60
Sat June 27th
Sunday, July 5th ( noon-8pm NEW/4-8 renew)
Sat July 18th
Tuesday June 16 Wed. June 17th ( 5-9pm)
Sat July 25th
Sat August 8th
Special SHOW class Sat. August 15th
(5:30-8:30pm* UT ONLY) Big Reno Show
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Sat August 29th
Sat September 12th
Sat September 26th
Sat October 10th
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Sat November 7th
Sat November 21st
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More to come.
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California Multi-state permit Classes $100*
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Notary and Photo Available
(Not valid for carrying concealed in CA)
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Posted: Tue Jun 30th, 2009 02:48 pm |
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Sorry, I'm not going to take their bait and put MORE money into the Nevada coffers because they decided to restrict my rights. Quite the opposite, I'll just avoid spending time and money in Nevada.
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