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unarmed in westchester
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 10:34 pm |
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Hi all! My name is Mike and im new to this site. As you can see from my profile, i am from the lovely, liberal, anti-gun state of NY (to make things worse, i live in Westchester County, home to Hillary Clinton).
My question is regarding carrying in Vermont. My fiancee is from VT and we visit there quite often and while we are there, i do quite a bit of shooting with my soon-to-be father-in-law. I have gone into several gun shops (in Rutland & Poultney) and have never had a problem handling firearms. My question is this; What are the laws/regulations regarding an out-of-stater carrying in VT?
I do indeed have a NYS pistol license, but obviously do not have residency in VT. Would i still be able to carry in VT?
Any response or helpful tips would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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modificationvt
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 02:43 am |
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| If I remember correctly any citizen of the US can CC or OC in Vermont.
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KBCraig
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 09:53 pm |
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You don't even have to be a citizen. No license or paperwork required to carry in Vermont either openly or concealed, loaded or not.
Non-citizens have to meet certain criteria to possess firearms under federal law, but I don't think VT cares about citizenship.
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Jared
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 02:54 pm |
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KBCraig wrote: You don't even have to be a citizen. No license or paperwork required to carry in Vermont either openly or concealed, loaded or not.
Non-citizens have to meet certain criteria to possess firearms under federal law, but I don't think VT cares about citizenship.
That is correct. Vermont respects the rights of people to carry as long as they are 15 years old.
Also, Vermont respects the right to carry any knife of any length, switchblade, billy club, stun gun, tazer, or pistol whether concealed or not.
No Vermont does not care about citizenship, Vermont never had that constitutional problem.
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Smurfologist
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Jared wrote: KBCraig wrote: You don't even have to be a citizen. No license or paperwork required to carry in Vermont either openly or concealed, loaded or not.
Non-citizens have to meet certain criteria to possess firearms under federal law, but I don't think VT cares about citizenship.
That is correct. Vermont respects the rights of people to carry as long as they are 15 years old.
Also, Vermont respects the right to carry any knife of any length, switchblade, billy club, stun gun, tazer, or pistol whether concealed or not.
No Vermont does not care about citizenship, Vermont never had that constitutional problem.
Vermont has the lowest crime rate if I remember correctly (smile). This is how it should be everywhere, don't you think?!?
2nd Amendment...........Use it..........Or, lose it!!
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CJ
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 12:27 am |
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There is a state law restricting switchblades to a certain length or smaller (must be less than 3 inches long). http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullchapter.cfm?Title=13&Chapter=085
Otherwise, yep, what was said was true: no license needed, concealed or open, and not too many places are off limits either.
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centercity
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Posted: Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 09:11 pm |
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| Enjoy!
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jaredbelch
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 09:05 pm |
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I'm curious how carrying in Vermont works with the Federal Gun Free Zone law... That states you can't have a gun within 1000 feet of a school property without a license or permit from the state you are in. (unless it's locked up)
Since Vermont doesn't issue permits, how do you get around this?
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CJ
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Posted: Fri Sep 26th, 2008 12:45 am |
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| It's not exactly enforced generally speaking, I've looked and only found it used against people charged with other crimes at the same time, such as murder, drug dealing/etc.) but to play it safe (especially since some police have harassed me over open carry) I carry non-firearm (under federal law) guns (pre-1899 antiques, cap and ball revolvers etc.) when I may be around schools (that law makes a big part of my city off limits to carrying modern firearms, schools all over the place). That gun free school zone law is one federal law that desperately needs to be either repealed or challenged in court! Funny how my post-1898 Nagant revolvers or my 1911 can't be carried within 1000 feet of a school but my big Colt Walker repro. can. Last edited on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 12:49 am by CJ
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unarmed in westchester
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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Wow, as always, you guys have come through for me! I knew id get a respnse, just didnt think id get so many and so quickly!
Smurfologist...too funny man! When i brought my fiancee to apply for her pistol license, i had a lengthy conversation with the Detective assigned to her case. He was almost appaled at the fact she was originally applying for full carry (as did i). He asked me if i knew she was applying for full carry and i said yes, but told her you (the County) would most likely talk her out of it. He got a bit defensive and said that he would never talk anyone out of it, but its very hard to be granted full-carry through Westchester Co., which we both knew. Anyway, we were talking about guns and the laws surrounding gun ownership. I brought up the fact that states such as Vt. that have little to no gun laws, have very low crime rates. He agreed but saud that many of those states have very strict laws in regards to carrying. I said that i wouldnt care, as long as i was lawfully carrying to protect myself and my family. We then got into deeper discussion and i had many questions/arguments, but i let alot of it go, for sake of my fiancee getting her license lol.
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NYShooter
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Posted: Sun Nov 30th, 2008 08:47 pm |
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I'm not 100% sure about VT, but I have a non-resident permit for PA and their rules are that you are limited to your home states permit conditions. Which means, if you have a permit that is restricted to your home and not full carry you can not carry in public. Or if you have just for hunting then you can only carry while hunting etc. Since you are from Westchester I'm sure you don't have full carry. I would check with the states laws first even though residents don't need a permit.
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SIGguy229
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 01:05 am |
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NYShooter wrote: I'm not 100% sure about VT, but I have a non-resident permit for PA and their rules are that you are limited to your home states permit conditions. Which means, if you have a permit that is restricted to your home and not full carry you can not carry in public. Or if you have just for hunting then you can only carry while hunting etc. Since you are from Westchester I'm sure you don't have full carry. I would check with the states laws first even though residents don't need a permit.
How sure of this are you? Citation please.
When carrying in another state, you go by the laws of the state you are visiting--not your home state.
Afterall, how could one state enforce another state's laws?
For example, in certain states, you cannot carry a firearm in a restaurant that serves alcohol. In VA--you MUST open carry in restaurants that serve alcohol. If I visit another state--I don't OC--I adhere to the laws of the state I'm visiting.
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NYShooter
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 01:27 am |
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I agree , you go by the state you are visiting. But the adjoining states I am applying to have different restrictions. If your home state does not allow you full carry then you can't do it in the state you visit either unless it is under certain conditions. My example is a friend of mine from NJ. He only has a residence permit for that state, but he can use his handgun to hunt in PA, no other purpose allowed. Like I said , I don't know if VT is the same.
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SIGguy229
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 05:59 am |
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That is unusual. Do you have a citation to support? I've never heard that before.
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KBCraig
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Posted: Mon Dec 1st, 2008 07:36 am |
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NYShooter wrote: Like I said , I don't know if VT is the same.
Since Vermont doesn't require any permit at all, it's obviously not the same.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 03:18 am |
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Jared wrote:
That is correct. Vermont respects the rights of people to carry as long as they are 15 years old.
Unfortunately Federal law does not respect the rights of people <18 years of age to carry handguns for SD. 18 USC 922(x) still prohibits it unless related to employment, ranching, farming, target shooting, hunting or course of instruction in firearms safety AND with WRITTEN permission from parent or guardian AND written permission must be in the juvenile's possession AND state law must allow it. The carry of the loaded handgun is only legal then during the actual performance of the above activities at the site of the activity. When transporting the firearm to/from the site of the activity, for a juvenile <18 years to be legal the handgun must be unloaded and cased.
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Task Force 16
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Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 06:41 am |
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jaredbelch wrote: I'm curious how carrying in Vermont works with the Federal Gun Free Zone law... That states you can't have a gun within 1000 feet of a school property without a license or permit from the state you are in. (unless it's locked up)
Since Vermont doesn't issue permits, how do you get around this?
I don't think Fed law impliments such GFZ. It's certainly not enforced here in Tn. We are allowed to amke drop/pickup fo students while carrying w/permit as long as we don't get out of the vehicle with it. We can drive right past a school armed. There's no buffer zone that I'm aware of in Tn.
You may be thinking of a State law somewhere.
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sandcast69
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Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 02:36 pm |
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NYShooter,
Your friend is mistaken, you can OC anywhere in pennsylvania except philadelphia without a CCW, resident or not.
You always follow the laws of the state your in at the time not the state you reside in. New Jersey @ New York have nothing to say about it, their jurisdiction does not apply in other states!
Tell your friend to get a Florida or Utah CCW permit and he can carry OC/CC anywhere in Pa including Phila.
As far as Vermont goes, follow Vermont law NOT New York law when in Vermont.
Vermont Carry
Are you a felon? NO!
Are you legally crazy? NO!
Then strap-on and go about your business!
With that being said, I advise learning and abiding by the laws of any state that you decide to OC/CC in. IANAL
sandcast69
http://paopencarry.org/pdfs/Pennsylvania_Gun_Rights.pdfLast edited on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 02:48 pm by sandcast69
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NavyLT
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Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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NYShooter wrote: I agree , you go by the state you are visiting. But the adjoining states I am applying to have different restrictions. If your home state does not allow you full carry then you can't do it in the state you visit either unless it is under certain conditions. My example is a friend of mine from NJ. He only has a residence permit for that state, but he can use his handgun to hunt in PA, no other purpose allowed. Like I said , I don't know if VT is the same.
Your CCW is just like your driver's license. You abide by the laws of the road you are driving on, not by the laws of where your license is from.
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CHEYENNE
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Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 03:53 am |
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IMHO, VT is the only state that truelly supports 2A, no infringment their!!
Bummer I moved to AZ, now I gotta spend $150-$200 Someday I'll go back, someday soon
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