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unrequited
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Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 08:20 pm |
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HankT wrote: I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in" on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.
Since you weren't there, I'll respectfully suggest you STFU. As Tess and others have said, I'm not apologizing for doing nothing wrong. If you think it was such a problem, you can go apologize on your own behalf. I went not as an OCDO member, not as a VCDL member, but as an independent thinker who wanted to at least give them a shot to hear what they had to say. Useless b.s. is what I came away with. I just gave you yours as well.
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HankT
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Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 08:26 pm |
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unrequited wrote: HankT wrote: I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in" on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.
Since you weren't there, I'll respectfully suggest you STFU.
I went not as an OCDO member, not as a VCDL member...
Well, I never! 
I guess you win that one! 
Such talk coming from such a cute avatar.
Did anyone ever tell you you are quite the conversationalist? Don't lose any sleep over it...
BTW, unrequited, were you one of the ones who raised their hands when Ricker asked who was a VCDL member? Hmmm?
Last edited on Mon Jun 4th, 2007 08:48 pm by HankT
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roscoe13
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Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 08:38 pm |
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unrequited wrote: Since you weren't there, I'll respectfully suggest you STFU.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000!
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mlands
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Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 09:16 pm |
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| I was at the Kings Park Library Meeting and sat quiet listening to all the misinformation the guest speaker was giving out. The OCDC/VCDL folks present were very civil. OCDC/VCDL members were soon not allowed to speak. At our meetings we allow anyone to speak as long as it is civil and rebuttle allowed. We are a lot more civil than that left wing MMM brainwashed gun control group was to us. Think of a room full of Hillary Clintons.
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HankT
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Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 09:19 pm |
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mlands wrote: I was at the Kings Park Library Meeting and sat quiet listening to all the misinformation the guest speaker was giving out. The OCDC/VCDL folks present were very civil. OCDC/VCDL members were soon not allowed to speak. At our meetings we allow anyone to speak as long as it is civil and rebuttle allowed. We are a lot more civil than that left wing MMM brainwashed gun control group was to us. Think of a room full of Hillary Clintons.
The only thing that I would take issue with is interupting the speakers (if I read it correctly). I know it was with the truth but I think we might do better with being exceptionally polite. Raising our hands to be called on if we wish to speak and so on. Makes us look even more reasonable and may help to keep their minds open enough to hear what we are saying.
If you look at all this from their point of view, the VCDL presence at their meeting was excessive and it was frightening. From what I have read, if the armed citizens did not outnumber them, it was close. So how would they see such a presence of armed strangers that virtually took over their meeting, and certainly had an impact on the evenings agenda?
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HankT
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Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 09:50 pm |
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I wonder how the MMMers are preparing for their meeting tonight? I wonder what little tricks and tactics they have up their sleeves to be reactive and retaliatory toward the expected group of OCers?
I bet they do something special.
Please, to the entire group that is going to Centreville tonight, don't fall for any of their tricks, like last time. Remember, in a way, you're representing not only OCDC/VCDL but also all law-abiding carrying citizens in VA and everywhere.
I hope all goes well tonight but I'm just having this feeling that there will be some bad feelings again.
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 01:59 am |
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More information and video to follow, but.......
The MMM shut down their meeting tonight before it even started!! They asked me to sign a waiver stating my recording could only be used for private purposes, I refused. They met privately outside the meeting room for 10 minutes before asking me to sign the waiver again. I refused again so they closed the meeting and apologized to everyone who showed up.
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longwatch
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:04 am |
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Wow that makes no sense at all, glad we got proof.
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BobCav
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:12 am |
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Damn! I wonder what their official excuse will be? A cancellation due to lawful recording of the meeting could constitute a failure to maintain an open public meeting.
I hope they realize that to maintain their tax-exempt status, they MUST keep their meetings open to the public AND in a public place AND you will be allowed to tape ANYWHERE they hold a meeting! They are required to publish the location and time and cannot deny access to anyone. Moving it to DC would prevent anyone from carrying at the meeting, but they revealed that they're more afraid of the camera (and the exposure of how they spread their lies) than they are about guns!!!
I guess we now know their true agenda isn't about guns, just mind control and using hoplophobia to stuff their pitiful little agenda down people's throats.
Well done Nekkid! I'd say that though you went there to find out some things about how they think and operate, by refusing to let you tape they revealed so much more!
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:12 am |
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nakedshoplifter wrote: More information and video to follow, but.......
The MMM shut down their meeting tonight before it even started!! They asked me to sign a waiver stating my recording could only be used for private purposes, I refused. They met privately outside the meeting room for 10 minutes before asking me to sign the waiver again. I refused again so they closed the meeting and apologized to everyone who showed up.
I take it the group did not apologize to the MMMers at the first opportunity?
You know, it was inevitable there was gonna be bad blood. Just common sense... A group apology might have allowed everyone to go back to square one.
I don't know why it is so hard to apologize. They did it...
I'm interested, too, in all the details. Particularly why the waiver wasn't signed. That would have been the correct thing to do--sign it and film. Then hash out the legalities without a time constraint. NS, you got taken advantage of again, same as the first time when they inappropriately maneuvered you into not taping that meeting. Oh, well.
I look forward to the writeup. I hope NS does again. The first one he did was very good reporting.
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VAopencarry
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:15 am |
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WOW!! What is up with that?? Are they afraid of being publicly discredted? hmmm. I had mostly given them the benefit of doubt, believing they were uninformed and misguided. However, this action makes think they know they are full of poo poo and do not want to be exposed. hmmmmmmmm............
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Tess
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:21 am |
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Edit. Julie O'Donoghue's e-mail box "exceeds allowable limits". Guess I'll have to call her tomorrow.
BobCav wrote: Damn! I wonder what their official excuse will be? A cancellation due to lawful recording of the meeting could constitute a failure to maintain an open public meeting.
I hope they realize that to maintain their tax-exempt status, they MUST keep their meetings open to the public AND in a public place AND you will be allowed to tape ANYWHERE they hold a meeting! They are required to publish the location and time and cannot deny access to anyone. Moving it to DC would prevent anyone from carrying at the meeting, but they revealed that they're more afraid of the camera (and the exposure of how they spread their lies) than they are about guns!!!
I guess we now know their true agenda isn't about guns, just mind control and using hoplophobia to stuff their pitiful little agenda down people's throats.
Well done Nekkid! I'd say that though you went there to find out some things about how they think and operate, by refusing to let you tape they revealed so much more!
Their point is that their paid speaker (Ricker quote: "I'm paid to speak") did not wish to appear on tape. Any individual has the right to request not to appear on tape. Any person has the right not to speak, if he chooses not to. I just hope he wasn't paid to speak tonight, as then he reneged. Not that it would be an issue with the group who contracted him.
Wait til you see the video. I was amused.
I also pointed out that the newspaper said the meeting was open to the public. They seem to have agreed among themselves to move it to a private home.
Mr Fairfax County Police Officer (did we mention they had an officer there?) had to tell them he couldn't attend if they held it at a private home. Mr. Ricker refused their offer to move the meeting to a private home TONIGHT.
Last edited on Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:29 am by Tess
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BobCav
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:23 am |
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We need to get the word spread across the land! We need to mobilize forces everywhere armed with this new intel IMMEDIATELY!!
We need people across America willing to find out when and where EVERY SINGLE MMM meeting will be and have people show up with camcorders!!
Blessent mon cœur d'une langueur monotone!!!
John has a long moustache. I repeat: John has a long moustache!!
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:25 am |
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| Was anyone OC'ing this time?
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vrwmiller
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:27 am |
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Tomahawk wrote: Was anyone OC'ing this time?
I was not. I did not notice any OC.
I also found it ironic that they were making the pro-rights individuals sign a waiver/agreement that included provisions that the recording would not be spliced or edited.
Like the pro-rights activists need to do that anyway. Unedited film would have been enough to discredit the meeting.
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Tess
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:28 am |
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Tomahawk wrote: Was anyone OC'ing this time?
No. Chris had a shoulder holster that was visible IF you knew what you were looking at.
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Citizen
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:30 am |
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BobCav wrote: We need to get the word spread across the land! We need to mobilize forces everywhere armed with this new intel IMMEDIATELY!!
We need people across America willing to find out when and where EVERY SINGLE MMM meeting will be and have people show up with camcorders!!
Blessent mon cœur d'une langueur monotone!!!
John has a long moustache. I repeat: John has a long moustache!!
We also need to to get the legal angles to a VCDL lawyer, Philip Van Cleave (Jim Sollo causes him extra work at the General Assembly) and, NRA in case it has nat'l implications for Bob Ricker's organization. Also, NRA so they can make hay with it.
I hope you got that "move to a private home" on tape. Ricker's refusal to go along with it might be his ticket out of an IRS problem for his gun-control organization; but it might have other angles like unwillingness to have a meeting open to the public in the first place.
Here's our chance to impede their progress folks. Lets make hay.
HankT, I'll write later about the seeming change from willingness to explore "talking."
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:35 am |
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BTW, of those that attended, anyone know who the asian female was that was filming? Was she associated with MMM or Mr. Ricker or anything? Was she asked to sign this waiver as well?
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Pa. Patriot
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:35 am |
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HankT wrote: I take it the group did not apologize to the MMMers at the first opportunity?
You know, it was inevitable there was gonna be bad blood. Just common sense... A group apology might have allowed everyone to go back to square one.
I don't know why it is so hard to apologize. They did it...
I'm interested, too, in all the details. Particularly why the waiver wasn't signed. That would have been the correct thing to do--sign it and film. Then hash out the legalities without a time constraint. NS, you got taken advantage of again, same as the first time when they inappropriately maneuvered you into not taping that meeting. Oh, well.
I look forward to the writeup. I hope NS does again. The first one he did was very good reporting.
Must you @#$% on every thread with your egotistical blabbering?
Maybe you missed the part about everyone disagreeing with you.
It's getting so very old, Hank.
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Mr. Y
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 02:42 am |
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Mr. & Mrs Y extend our apologies collectively to OCDO members for not being there. This one - the whole day actually - just completely got away from me... And, it's left me with 2 tins of cookies....
I'm glad the meeting went "well" but disappointed that the MMM didn't apologize to us.
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