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LEO 229
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 04:09 pm |
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Tomahawk wrote: ANGER RISING...deep breaths...okay, I'm good, now.
Seriously, this BS has to STOP.
You see.. taking a deep breath does help sometimes.. 
But ya... That LEO knows better but chooses to keep up to his same old tricks.. That is just wrong.
He may not like OCers.. but it is allowed and he should get over it.
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Hawkflyer
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 04:14 pm |
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Tomahawk wrote:
ANGER RISING...deep breaths...okay, I'm good, now.
Seriously, this BS has to STOP.
It seems to me that if the same "rent-a-cop" (insult intended), is calling this in to 911 each time, it is that person that needs to be "retrained". Perhaps if it could be determined who he works for, a few letters to his boss from various organizations and individuals might be in order. Nothing hostile, just a note that unless they change something that this employee is opening them up to a harassment suit.
I could not help but notice that the BMWAG hat was not in attendance this time. So it seems that it would make no difference what head gear is involved. Also there have been a few mentions of other people going there armed and NOT having the police called. Those things should be documented. I really like the idea of capturing this on video. Perhaps even capturing someone else OCing in the same spot and not being harassed as well.
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Reverend73
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 05:04 pm |
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LEO 229 wrote: So when will you be finding an attorney to start your lawsuit!!???
Do you your wrists hurt now? I believe all departments are required to double lock those cuffs. They can close while leaning back on them creating nerve damage.
Telling you not to return to that street is clearly harassment. I would go back again and have someone secretly video tape you from a distance. You can wear a remote microphone.
This is clearly wrong and they represent me as well as all the other LEOs out there. If they did do this... I would want them off the street.
We are doing exactly this today. I dont know about the super secret microphone though. Our plan is to have just me out there open carrying and hope someone calls the po po. This has got to stop. In my opinion, this is a bad or worse than the Mannassas incident, only difference is its only affecting one person vice seven (so far).
So back to yesterdays incident, I was sitting at home perusing OCDO and I get a call, person on the other end says "you have to get to downtown Norfolk now, they have Dan in handcuffs again" took a second to register who was talking, it was Danbus friend. "They took his bullets too!" I'm thinking, you have to be kidding me, I was there with him just yesterday and nothing happened. So I hop in the car and speed down to Norfolk, but by that time it was over and Dan was at the police station waiting on me to go file for ANOTHER FOIA. Unfortunately they were already closed, so we just stood on the street and talked for a little while, talked about what to do about this, and what our plan is for today.
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UTOC-45-44
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 05:08 pm |
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wsweeks2 wrote: openryan wrote: ...[Q]uite a few of us here, myself included, are usually well aware of our apprearance and dress professional or at the very least nice clothing, nothing too provocative.
Wearing a BMWAG hat but me a little much, and one should at least know that doing such will surely get you some unwanted attention, at least a few strange looks, and probably routine police encounter from concerned 'sheeple'...
I'm trying to recall where in the 2nd Amendment they placed the asterisk noting that it only applied to those who dressed acceptably?
Anyone?
ROTFLMAO......
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Dutch Uncle
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 05:49 pm |
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I haven't been able to contact Dan (?cell phone out of commission?) but I wonder if there is a restaurant close to the location where all this happened. Perhaps an impromptu OCDO dinner in the next few days might be in order. We can all take a nice little stroll before going to eat and see if the White Anglo-Saxon Crackers get the same treatment or not. This is getting damned ridiculous! Securty guards may not know the law, but the police certainly should by now.
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openryan
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 06:10 pm |
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UTOC-45-44 wrote: wsweeks2 wrote: openryan wrote: ...[Q]uite a few of us here, myself included, are usually well aware of our apprearance and dress professional or at the very least nice clothing, nothing too provocative.
Wearing a BMWAG hat but me a little much, and one should at least know that doing such will surely get you some unwanted attention, at least a few strange looks, and probably routine police encounter from concerned 'sheeple'...
I'm trying to recall where in the 2nd Amendment they placed the asterisk noting that it only applied to those who dressed acceptably?
Anyone?
ROTFLMAO......
Well I guess I must partially recant my statements now, not because they are untrue or do not apply to certain aspects here or otherwise. But it now seems more clear that this is due to the security gaurd, if indeed the same 'rent a cop' as before, he most likely was angry that danbus didn't get it harder the first time.
I also believe something racial may be at play here.
I think danbus has a strong case now, at times like these I wish I lived closer to VA so that I could help out.
And as far as what I said in the quote above, I still believe it applies, if you do not believe self presentation has anything to do with the equation here or otherwise then you are still oblivious.
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Pa. Patriot
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 06:11 pm |
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Wish I was closer too. I'd be down there with them.
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Hawkflyer
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 06:28 pm |
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It seems to me that there needs to be a string of armed people walking past this particular security guard perhaps 5 minutes apart. What exactly is it that he is guarding? Does he work in the bank? Is there some other establishment he is "protecting"?
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Tomahawk
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 06:35 pm |
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While I share your contempt for the security guard, he can call the cops if he wants whenever he wants, until the police tell him to stop. Which they won't do. In fact, the police reinforce the SG's perception that OC is wrong somehow because of how they treat Danbus in front of him the first time. The SG may be a prick, but he isn't the one who has the ability to detain, handcuff, arrest, harrass, and of course, point a loaded gun at you. The police do have this ability, if not the authority. The conduct of the police should be the primary focus.
I'm not above irritating the rent-a-cop, though.
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danbus
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 06:47 pm |
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The security guard is employed by Wackenhut. They usually stand inside the building and outside across the street.
While I was sitting in the sqaud car, he came out and told the officers he made the call. Shook their hands and left.
While I have reason to believe that it was the same guard who wanted to waste our tax dollars, I must await the FOIA.
Until I get all the facts aligned, I won't be able to point the finger just yet.
Again, I would like to say thank you for everyone's love and support in the matter!!
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Bubba Ron
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 06:57 pm |
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danbus wrote: The security guard is employed by Wackenhut. They usually stand inside the building and outside across the street.
While I was sitting in the sqaud car, he came out and told the officers he made the call. Shook their hands and left.
These (this) security guard(s) should be reprimanded by the police for continuing to call in false alarms - not shaking their hand....
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Bubba Ron
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:07 pm |
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Dutch Uncle wrote: I haven't been able to contact Dan (?cell phone out of commission?) but I wonder if there is a restaurant close to the location where all this happened. Perhaps an impromptu OCDO dinner in the next few days might be in order. We can all take a nice little stroll before going to eat and see if the White Anglo-Saxon Crackers get the same treatment or not. This is getting damned ridiculous! Securty guards may not know the law, but the police certainly should by now.
We all went to AJ Gators on Grandby Street after the last VCDL meeting at Bob's Gun Shop - not sure of how near this is to the "scene of the non-crime" - but we had a great time (about 25 of us) with absolutely zero problems. That was about 2 years ago or so.....
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openryan
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:09 pm |
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Seems like this security gaurd wants a piece of the action maybe.
Tomahawk, I agree that the actions of the police are paramount in this problem, however if they were to be totally legit about it, they need to inform the SG that OC is legal.
I could see one concerned call from the SG the first time he was unaware, but the second time he made the call he should have known it was legal. This is why I believe the security company should receive a training bulliten on this as well.
BTW, I didn't catch it in the beginning, is the SG armed?
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danbus
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:20 pm |
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openryan wrote: Seems like this security gaurd wants a piece of the action maybe.
Tomahawk, I agree that the actions of the police are paramount in this problem, however if they were to be totally legit about it, they need to inform the SG that OC is legal.
I could see one concerned call from the SG the first time he was unaware, but the second time he made the call he should have known it was legal. This is why I believe the security company should receive a training bulliten on this as well.
BTW, I didn't catch it in the beginning, is the SG armed?
Yeah, with whistle, flashlight, and a cell phone. 
Seriously, they are not armed. For goodness sake, they protect a call center AND a bank, not a armored car or a nuclear power plant.
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SicSemperTyrannis
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:26 pm |
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| I manage a bank in a heavily urban area of the City of Richmond, and open carry doesn't bother me one bit! Anyone who wishes to cause harm is not going to enter with a gun in a holster - it will be hidden or in their hands.
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BobCav
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:26 pm |
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| Hell, I'll be happy drop some ink on paper to remind the (in)security company them that their uninformed guards are wasting taxpayer dollars through ignorance of the law. Continued ignorance, under the guise of public safety is still ignoranceand may result in them being named in a harassment lawsuit.
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HankT
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:32 pm |
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Hawkflyer wrote: It seems to me that if the same "rent-a-cop" (insult intended), is calling this in to 911 each time, it is that person that needs to be "retrained". Perhaps if it could be determined who he works for, a few letters to his boss from various organizations and individuals might be in order. Nothing hostile, just a note that unless they change something that this employee is opening them up to a harassment suit.
This is a very good idea. Communicate with the SG and his firm to advise them of what's up.
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I could not help but notice that the BMWAG hat was not in attendance this time. So it seems that it would make no difference what head gear is involved. Also there have been a few mentions of other people going there armed and NOT having the police called. Those things should be documented. I really like the idea of capturing this on video. Perhaps even capturing someone else OCing in the same spot and not being harassed as well.
Regards
The hat was never important. It never played a part in anything substantive in the first Danbus stop. And I don't recall reading that anyone else had gone to the same place as Danbus OCing.
I don't really see the logic of sending someone (say, an unmistakably white guy) over there to OC. If the SG does the same thing and calls the cops, then there goes the "discrimination" contention.
Dutch Uncle wrote: We can all take a nice little stroll before going to eat and see if the White Anglo-Saxon Crackers get the same treatment or not.
Hawkflyer wrote:
It seems to me that there needs to be a string of armed people walking past this particular security guard perhaps 5 minutes apart.
This seems to me a poor tactic. It's kind of schoolyard stuff. The problem is that, usually, schoolyard tactics produce schoolyard results. Especially if you get some hothead type guy to OC there who is itching to have someone "say something" to start a heated verbal contestation of some sort.
Frankly, I see some possiblity that it'd hurt the strong case that Danbus now has.
Best thing is to have a mature and calculated communication with Wackenhut and NPD. Preferably by Danbus' attorney. The schoolyard stuff ain't appropriate...
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Dutch Uncle
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:39 pm |
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I spoke to Dan a few hours ago. He is his usual upbeat self, and says he is going to pursue the matter aggressively. Has already spoken to Philip. Dan said the LEO told him he wasn't under arrest, but held for an "investigative detainment" (Terry Stop, I guess). No charge, no crime, no threats, no resistance, but handcuffs were used, again!!! Dan plans to go back there again tomorrow to pick up his friend from work, as usual..... Stay tuned, I guess.
Dan wouldn't mind having a dinner. Sounds like he'd prefer Sat, but Friday or Thursday would work too. Those would be my choices, too. The place in question is right across the street from Bank of America, at the corner of Waterside Dr. and Commercial Place. The nearest restaurants are at Waterside, just down the street. What do others think?
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I don't think having a dinner in the area is "schoolyard stuff" and woudn't actively be provoking any confrontation. It would simply be interesting to see if the police really are completely uninformed/unreasonable about the issue. The people in the Tidewater group all seem perfectly mature and reasonable, so I wouldn't expect any inappropriate actions or comments from any of us. I'm not saying Hank T's other suggestions aren't good ones. They are; but I don't see the two approaches as mutually exclusive.
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 07:58 pm |
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Dutch, it is a great idea and certainly not schoolyard stuff. Exercising your 2A rights is not now, nor has it ever been schoolyard stuff. NEVER compromise your rights away expecially in the face of ignorance and tyrannical behavior such as this. For that is exactly what this is.
Last time I checked, it was rebellion against tyranny that made this very day sacred in the hearts of TRUE Americans, and not just another sale or a day off!
Sic Semper Tyrannis and Happy Independence Day!
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Wed Jul 4th, 2007 08:00 pm |
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If you have the lunch on a Sat or Sun some of us NoVA types might...just might... make the drive and hang with you guys.
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