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Ravenhawk
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:11 pm |
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How far away are we from this?
Called "Bully Boys" part of Hitlers Nazi party were basicly Police.
http://a.abcnews.com/2020/Story?id=3083618&page=1
http://www.secondamendmentstuff.org/2006/12/index.html
http://noworldsystem.com/2007/11/25/boston-police-go-door-to-door-for-guns/
I'd like to see where the ACLU would stand on this issue as well ...
Sounds to me like a lawsuit waiting to happen if someone was to get robbed or assaulted in a "City facilitiy" or should I say Martial law zones ... which thier Constitutional & State rights to defend themselves was taken away illegaly.
What if it were a LEO that got disarmed in a similar situation to that of the Seattle Center fiasco?
Scarry stuff ...
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I have located two attorneys who are interested in representing plaintiffs in this case. I don't want to overload them with phone calls and e-mails, and would prefer that one person serve as a single point of contact with them. I am therefore requesting that people funnel requests for representation or advice through Lonnie Wilson as he has already started thinking through how to attack this problem. I have provided the names of the attorneys to Lonnie.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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Washington Cities Enact Illegal Gun Laws http://markknapp.multiply.com/journal/item/109/Washington_Cities_Enact_Illegal_Gun_Laws
Mayor Nickels Engages in Reign of Lawlessness
http://markknapp.multiply.com/journal/item/115/Mayor_Nickels_Engages_in_Reign_of_Lawlessness
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Richard6218
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: 44Brent wrote: Beach bonfires may be banned --They fuel global warming, parks department says http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/366025_bonfire06.html?source=mypi
What global warming? It snow last night above 3000 ft. It's June, you know, summer time, not suppose to snow. I had the heat on last night because it's so fricken cold out. Global warming is the new con job being done on America to take more freedoms away.
Kudos to 44Brent!!! KOMO-4 reported that the first week of June was the coldest here since 1896!! WHAT global warming?? This is the biggest scam ever perpetrated. And the only way to stop it is for everyone to speak up and say ENOUGH!! Hybrid cars, my ass. Curly light bulbs, my ass. You get the picture.
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Roy Hobbs
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:27 pm |
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Ravenhawk wrote: How far away are we from this?
Called "Bully Boys" part of Hitlers Nazi party were basicly Police.
I wish that we could get away from automatically equating every attempt to limit our right to defend ourselves as the next incarnation of the Nazi party. The US in 2008 is not even close to the Weimar republic in the 1930's.
Stuff like this does not help with people who are on the fence. It just makes us look bad.
In my conversations with my friends, and others who are in favor of limiting guns in the name of "security", I never, ever go to the extremes. Instead, I point out that if you look at the Bill of Rights, the 2nd amendment comes before the ones about self-incrimination and due process and state's rights and all the others. The founders were pretty smart guys, and there is probably a reason for the order that they picked.
Vigilant about ensuring that rights stay that way? Absolutely. But remain sensitive to the fact that others automatically turn off when you jump to the worst-case scenario.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:28 pm |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: 44Brent wrote: Beach bonfires may be banned --They fuel global warming, parks department says http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/366025_bonfire06.html?source=mypi
What global warming? It snow last night above 3000 ft. It's June, you know, summer time, not suppose to snow. I had the heat on last night because it's so fricken cold out. Global warming is the new con job being done on America to take more freedoms away.
“So-called ‘global warming’ is just a secret ploy by wacko tree-huggers to make America energy independent, clean our air and water, improve the fuel efficiency of our vehicles, kick-start 21st-century industries,and make our cities safer and more livable. Don’t let them get away with it!”–Chip Giller.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 12:09 am |
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It is amazing what can happen when I leave town for 4 weeks. I just finally read this whole thread. We should do folks a favor and save them the trouble of wasting their time like I had to and keep this thread on topic please.
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amlevin
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| Rather than going to Seattle for dinner, shopping, etc, why not go elsewhere and spend your money. Perhaps just drop a note to the business that you "might have patronized" and tell them of your choice and WHY. Why leave any money at all in a City that does not respect your rights. In a time of a declining ecomomy EVERY dollar matters. Don't diminish the value of yours.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 02:56 am |
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amlevin wrote:
Rather than going to Seattle for dinner, shopping, etc, why not go elsewhere and spend your money. Perhaps just drop a note to the business that you "might have patronized" and tell them of your choice and WHY. Why leave any money at all in a City that does not respect your rights. In a time of a declining ecomomy EVERY dollar matters. Don't diminish the value of yours.
Good idea. I try to stay away from Seattle anyways. Unfortunately I have to take my wife to UW Medical Center sometimes and the traffic always sucks & the graffiti has gotten much worse in the past couple of years. It's overcrowded and overpriced
Does anyone have stats on schizophrenia and violence? I remember reading somewhere that even paranoid schizophrenics rarely are violent. It's a tiny percentage. I think the problem is the guy is a criminal...throw the book at him if he's guilty. Please don't punish law-abiding citizens. Don't punish the mentally ill. I'm tired of hearing if someone committed a crime then he must have been mentally ill. Unfortunately all of this is just a symptom of societies screwed up values today. No one takes responsibility for his or her own actions.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 03:35 am |
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amlevin wrote: Rather than going to Seattle for dinner, shopping, etc, why not go elsewhere and spend your money. Perhaps just drop a note to the business that you "might have patronized" and tell them of your choice and WHY. Why leave any money at all in a City that does not respect your rights. In a time of a declining ecomomy EVERY dollar matters. Don't diminish the value of yours.
Why not?... Because it's not the businesses that did this. Plus, this doesn't apply to their property, it applies to city-owned property.
If they're on the DNP List, by all means do as you mention, but don't go after businesses with no reason at all. That's just asking for more enemies to our cause.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 03:36 am |
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just_a_car wrote: amlevin wrote: Rather than going to Seattle for dinner, shopping, etc, why not go elsewhere and spend your money. Perhaps just drop a note to the business that you "might have patronized" and tell them of your choice and WHY. Why leave any money at all in a City that does not respect your rights. In a time of a declining ecomomy EVERY dollar matters. Don't diminish the value of yours.
Why not?... Because it's not the businesses that did this. Plus, this doesn't apply to their property, it applies to city-owned property.
If they're on the DNP List, by all means do as you mention, but don't go after businesses with no reason at all. That's just asking for more enemies to our cause.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 03:46 am |
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This only gives the criminals peace of mind, they will not meet any resistance. When will the politicians ever realize that a law, will not hinder a bullet. NOTHING can stop someone, if they are determined to carry out violence, of any means. It is physically impossible.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 05:39 pm |
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bobmagoo wrote: I'm trying to find places to communicate with the Mayor about this recent ban. So far I've found the "Ask The Mayor" online question submission at http://www.seattlechannel.org/AsktheMayor/ . By the way, the show is on Wednesday night at 7 on channel 21, the number is (206) 684-8821 CALL HIM!
I also found the contact the mayor page on his site: http://www.seattle.gov/mayor/citizen_response.htm
Looking for any other way of sending him a message. I'll be working on a response that I'll try to upload here later.
Thanks for the link to the Mayor, I sent my letter today. Hope more will do the same.
I sent the Mayor this:
Mayor Nickels,
Mayor, I ask that you cancel Executive Order 07-08; your ban is illegal and clearly violates State Law and the rights of American’s. While you may believe it’s for the good of Seattle, the citizens of Washington only see that your are attempting to remove the right’s that our fighting Men and Women have secured, and of which the State of Washington has preserved. The Mayor’s office should not with the stroke of a pen have ability of illegally removing our “Right to Bear Arms”. When you take it upon your self to speak on behalf of the citizens, you should have their support, hear you clearly do not. Secondly, your executive order will now be using tax payer monies to fabricate signs that you plan to post in violation of State Law and the rights of American’s. Mayor, I am fairly certain that Executive Order power was not given to your office with the intent of violating any Americans’ civil liberties. Mayor Nickels, do the right thing and withdrawal Executive Order 07-08.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 05:57 pm |
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jbone wrote:
When you take it upon your self to speak on behalf of the citizens, you should have their support, hear you clearly do not. .
If you didn't already send it you may want to change this to "Here"
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 06:10 pm |
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Agent 47 wrote: jbone wrote:
When you take it upon your self to speak on behalf of the citizens, you should have their support, hear you clearly do not. .
If you didn't already send it you may want to change this to "Here"
Oops! Already sent.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 06:24 pm |
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Roy Hobbs wrote: I wish that we could get away from automatically equating every attempt to limit our right to defend ourselves as the next incarnation of the Nazi party. The US in 2008 is not even close to the Weimar republic in the 1930's.
Stuff like this does not help with people who are on the fence. It just makes us look bad.
In my conversations with my friends, and others who are in favor of limiting guns in the name of "security", I never, ever go to the extremes.
It's a clilche... but accurate.
We're lsoing our rights. Many of the rights we're losing are the same that German citizens lost as the Nazis assumed power. Call a spade a spade, a fig is a fig.
I can understand how you don't want to sour friendships by pointing out to your friends that they think and act like Nazis -- to some extent, over specific issues. But when it comes to gun banning, or the DC 'show me your papers' check points, then yes... compare the .gov to Nazis if you want because it is accurate.
We could also compare them to the former USSR. Or pretty much any facist regime.
This is America. I want to be left alone to do my thing, as long as 'my thing' doesn't hurt you. Because SOME ONE ELSE hurt you, doesn't give you the right to mess with my thing.
The whole thing is just a farce. Your run of the mill SECURITY THEATER, aimed at getting dirty politicos relected. And yes, they act like Nazis, in regards to certian issues.
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/rantOn
PLEASE, if we're sending letters to people who have authority, use CORRECT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. It makes us look like rednecks/hillbillies when we DON'T use it correctly, and it sets us apart from the "unwashed masses" when we DO use it correctly.
"Your" is not the same as "You're". "You're" is short for "you are". "Your" is used to show possession, ie. "It's your car, not mine."
Apostrophes mean possession, so don't say "citizen's" unless you mean that something belongs to the citizen. If you're talking about more than one citizen's possession(s), put the apostrophe after the last letter.
"This law applies to all citizens' guns." - Multiple citizens.
"This law applies to a citizen's guns" - One citizen.
"This law is applied to the guns of citizens" - No possession, so don't use an apostrophe!
"Its" is not the same as "It's"
"Its" means possession (it's an exception to the normal apostrophe rules)
"It's" is short for "it is"
I will be happy to proofread and/or edit any letter or correspondence you want to send. I can't guarantee I will be 100% accurate, but every little bit helps. If not me, then get at least someone to proofread it for you. Thank you.
/rantOff
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Dave_pro2a
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 06:34 pm |
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antispam540 wrote: /rantOn
PLEASE, if we're sending letters to people who have authority, use CORRECT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. It makes us look like rednecks/hillbillies when we DON'T use it correctly, and it sets us apart from the "unwashed masses" when we DO use it correctly.
"Your" is not the same as "You're". "You're" is short for "you are". "Your" is used to show possession, ie. "It's your car, not mine."
Apostrophes mean possession, so don't say "citizen's" unless you mean that something belongs to the citizen. If you're talking about more than one citizen's possession(s), put the apostrophe after the last letter.
"This law applies to all citizens' guns." - Multiple citizens.
"This law applies to a citizen's guns" - One citizen.
"This law is applied to the guns of citizens" - No possession, so don't use an apostrophe!
"Its" is not the same as "It's"
"Its" means possession (it's an exception to the normal apostrophe rules)
"It's" is short for "it is"
I will be happy to proofread and/or edit any letter or correspondence you want to send. I can't guarantee I will be 100% accurate, but every little bit helps. If not me, then get at least someone to proofread it for you. Thank you.
/rantOff
Gee, you aren't insinuating that LIBTARD POLITICIANS ignore anyone who doesn't use proper spelling and grammar? Are you?
The Greennik treehuggers would never stoop so low as to essentially disenfranchise a large part of the population... would they?
Aren't the supposed to be the friend of the poor, the uneducated, the drug addicted, the ex-felon, the chronically stupid and idiotic, the high school drop-out teenage single mothers?
Gee, if the ignore a citizen due to spelling and grammar, then it just exposes them as the bigoted, self-rightious, prejudiced a-holes that they are. And it would alienate their base 
Ya know, the damn idiotic liberals control education in this state... so they are just reaping the reward for their failures in that area.
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Ravenhawk
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 07:05 pm |
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Roy Hobbs wrote: Ravenhawk wrote: How far away are we from this?
Called "Bully Boys" part of Hitlers Nazi party were basicly Police.
I wish that we could get away from automatically equating every attempt to limit our right to defend ourselves as the next incarnation of the Nazi party. The US in 2008 is not even close to the Weimar republic in the 1930's.
Stuff like this does not help with people who are on the fence. It just makes us look bad.
In my conversations with my friends, and others who are in favor of limiting guns in the name of "security", I never, ever go to the extremes. Instead, I point out that if you look at the Bill of Rights, the 2nd amendment comes before the ones about self-incrimination and due process and state's rights and all the others. The founders were pretty smart guys, and there is probably a reason for the order that they picked.
Vigilant about ensuring that rights stay that way? Absolutely. But remain sensitive to the fact that others automatically turn off when you jump to the worst-case scenario.
Ya well if this goes unchallenged then whats next?
1 yr from now gun incident on bus - BAN CARRYING ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION?
2 yr from now gun incident inside restraunt - NO GUN IN EATERY'S?
3 yr from now gun incident at workplace - NO GUNS AT PLACE EMPLOYMENT?
4 yr from now gun incident 7-11 @ 3:00AM = NO GUNS IN PLACE WITH MONEY ATER 2AM?
5 yr from now gun incident on your private property .... get the picture?
Newsflash - there is no "in-between" either we can carry in PUBLIC places like Seattle Center or any Seattle facilities or we can't. Seattle Police doing search's for Legal Pistol carriers at "Seattle facilities" would come across as Nazi's or like the topic starter implied make Seattle look like Baghdad.
Hitler started his takeover plans in his own Country disarming the mass's ... Im definately not implying it would go as far as the Hitler regime did with War but don't piss down my back and tell me it's not raining by ignoring or playing down the similarities.
I full understand your point but obviously have different approach.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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antispam540 wrote: /rantOn
PLEASE, if we're sending letters to people who have authority, use CORRECT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. It makes us look like rednecks/hillbillies when we DON'T use it correctly, and it sets us apart from the "unwashed masses" when we DO use it correctly.
"Your" is not the same as "You're". "You're" is short for "you are". "Your" is used to show possession, ie. "It's your car, not mine."
Apostrophes mean possession, so don't say "citizen's" unless you mean that something belongs to the citizen. If you're talking about more than one citizen's possession(s), put the apostrophe after the last letter.
"This law applies to all citizens' guns." - Multiple citizens.
"This law applies to a citizen's guns" - One citizen.
"This law is applied to the guns of citizens" - No possession, so don't use an apostrophe!
"Its" is not the same as "It's"
"Its" means possession (it's an exception to the normal apostrophe rules)
"It's" is short for "it is"
I will be happy to proofread and/or edit any letter or correspondence you want to send. I can't guarantee I will be 100% accurate, but every little bit helps. If not me, then get at least someone to proofread it for you. Thank you.
/rantOff
Wow! 
I am what I am. No college degree, an average working stiff that voice’s his opinion in the best fashion that he can. You clearly point out I am far from being English major. My intent was not to make you or any other person look like a buffoon, only myself!
I’m 47 with no desire to hit the books, my thoughts would be that if I cannot express myself for whom I am, then they are not my thoughts. I’ve spoken my mind over the last 23 in the Armed Forces without any hindrance of my @#$%ty grammar. Like from you, I’ve received lots of laughs and criticism but it’s never stopped form accomplishing or getting my way.
Thanks for the constructive criticism and your, or maybe you’re offer to proofread. No offense was taken on my part, these are only me thoughts, I am what I am. You are free to proofread this and pick apart, I’m sure it’s plenty screwed up.
This "somehow uneducated, uninformed, godless, or in some other way unqualified for inclusion in the speaker's elite circles" had to look up what ”unwashed masses" meant.
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unwashed_masses"
I would also guess the "rednecks/hillbillies" will take no offense.
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