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luvmyglock
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:18 am |
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sv_libertarian wrote: johnnyb wrote: waaa.
you didn't say they were drunk you said they were "drinking beer"
don't like what i say? you are free to not start threads. 
Guns and alcohol don't mix anyhow. If you don't like what he has to say you are free not to respond.
Slow time in Oregon?
SV also expressed that guns and alcohol don't mix.
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luvmyglock
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:18 am |
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Last edited on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:19 am by luvmyglock
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:20 am |
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luvmyglock wrote: luvmyglock wrote: johnnyb wrote: luvmyglock wrote: johnnyb wrote: no @#$% dude, get off your @#$%ing high horse.
go back to kalifornia
Take a chill pill. I did nothing to you. You are rude and inconsiderate. If you don't like what I have to say then you are free to exercise your back button. I personally don't think that I am on a "high horse" by not wanting to get shot by some drunk retard with an AK, or hit by a ricochet from some idiot popping of shots at rocks. I DO , however, think that you are WAY out of line with your comments.
waaa.
you didn't say they were drunk you said they were "drinking beer"
don't like what i say? you are free to not start threads.
Alcohol, even in small quantities, impairs judgment. That is the very first thing to go when consuming any alcohol. By the time you feel the physical and psychological effects of alcohol, your judgment is severely impaired. This is not good when operating and handling a loaded firearm. If you like to drink and handle guns, so be it...you are probably doing society a favor if your attitude and intelligence in the real world follows suit.......
Seems to me I said something along those lines.....OH yeah! Here it is!
You sir have my thanks and my apology. Steve knows my feelings and I will speak with him privately. That's 3, but where are the rest of the forum members?Last edited on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:22 am by Bear 45/70
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luvmyglock
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:20 am |
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M1Gunr wrote: famous last words: Hold My beer, Watch this....
M1GUNR also seems to echo the sentiment..So i guess I don't understand how we are not discouraging drinking and shooting..
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luvmyglock
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:23 am |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: luvmyglock wrote: luvmyglock wrote: johnnyb wrote: luvmyglock wrote: johnnyb wrote: no @#$% dude, get off your @#$%ing high horse.
go back to kalifornia
Take a chill pill. I did nothing to you. You are rude and inconsiderate. If you don't like what I have to say then you are free to exercise your back button. I personally don't think that I am on a "high horse" by not wanting to get shot by some drunk retard with an AK, or hit by a ricochet from some idiot popping of shots at rocks. I DO , however, think that you are WAY out of line with your comments.
waaa.
you didn't say they were drunk you said they were "drinking beer"
don't like what i say? you are free to not start threads.
Alcohol, even in small quantities, impairs judgment. That is the very first thing to go when consuming any alcohol. By the time you feel the physical and psychological effects of alcohol, your judgment is severely impaired. This is not good when operating and handling a loaded firearm. If you like to drink and handle guns, so be it...you are probably doing society a favor if your attitude and intelligence in the real world follows suit.......
Seems to me I said something along those lines.....OH yeah! Here it is!
You sir have my thanks and my apology. I didn't mean to get cocky with you Bear..guess I am just feeling overly assertive today..sorry for that. This whole topic has kind of had me on fire. Didn't mean to attack ya man. My apologies to you as well sir. I agree with you. This subject has been "in the dark" over the ages, and I think we need more education on it.
Last edited on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:25 am by luvmyglock
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:33 am |
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| I've been shooting with both sv and M1gunr, at the pit no less.
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luvmyglock
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:38 am |
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Yeah..SV owes me dinner.....I HOPE YOU'RE LISTENING SV!!!!!!
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:44 am |
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luvmyglock wrote: Yeah..SV owes me dinner.....I HOPE YOU'RE LISTENING SV!!!!!!
HEY! He owes the wife and myself a lunch.
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:55 am |
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luvmyglock wrote: I didn't mean to get cocky with you Bear..guess I am just feeling overly assertive today..sorry for that. This whole topic has kind of had me on fire. Didn't mean to attack ya man. My apologies to you as well sir. I agree with you. This subject has been "in the dark" over the ages, and I think we need more education on it.
Don't worry about it, you surely didn't hurt my feelings. I agree with you on needing to bring it out of the dark. I have a friend who had a nice private rifle and pistol range, NRA insured and the works. He closed it and bulldozed it because of this one issue. I lost the use of a great covered range because of this and it did highly piss me off. I do understand why Jim did it, but still it sucked.
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tanman
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 06:55 am |
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luvmyglock wrote: M1Gunr wrote: famous last words: Hold My beer, Watch this....
M1GUNR also seems to echo the sentiment..So i guess I don't understand how we are not discouraging drinking and shooting..
+1 here. Remember what I said about perception is reality?
"Perception is reality, especially with gun haters and cops. If someone is already biased against you because you have a gun they will hate you even more. Throw a dip in your lip and to them you become the justification for the existence of the ATF (BATFE)."
I can't say I am totally against being in possession of a firearm while drinking. However, drinking and shooting is another matter. Just because you are a bachelor who lives with other highly trained adult males who know how to handle guns doesn't mean everyone is. Some people have kids. When I drink at home with my roommates our defensive guns don't automatically end up in the safe...unless we're having a party.
Knowing your ability to know your limits and stay within them is a luxury not all have once they have have a few in them. Thus there are rules (every rule exist because someone screwed something up) such as not carrying into bars, because someone @#$%ed that up in the past. Yes it may be legal to drink and possess guns, but there are bad connotations with that to many people, dry or not. Many people don't own guns or drink because they are scared of both. Mix the two in someone they don't know and they get even more scared. Look at bear- he knows guns and as I understand has taken a drink (although not for a long time)- he is still unnerved by it. Now think about sister rainbow-sky-starlight out watching the birdies in capitol forest and coming across that @#$%. Guess what? Many hippies in Oly have friends with views overlooking capitol lake. More laws...just what we need. Do you OC to church (if you go)? Do you carry to the bar (maybe a dumb question...)? There are certain things that shouldn't be done- even if they are legal. Keep it behind closed doors or on private property. Owning guns is a right, drinking and shooting is not a constitutionally protected right.
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tanman
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 06:57 am |
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| Has anyone thought of the simple answer to this? Open containers on public lands- as I remember Thurston county has an ordinance against it...
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Spaceman Spiff
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 02:17 pm |
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There are near fascists hiding everywhere.
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David.Car
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:35 pm |
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tanman wrote: Has anyone thought of the simple answer to this? Open containers on public lands- as I remember Thurston county has an ordinance against it...
So people start useing the little red plastic cups instead...
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luvmyglock
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 03:50 pm |
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tanman wrote: luvmyglock wrote: M1Gunr wrote: famous last words: Hold My beer, Watch this....
M1GUNR also seems to echo the sentiment..So i guess I don't understand how we are not discouraging drinking and shooting..
+1 here. Remember what I said about perception is reality?
"Perception is reality, especially with gun haters and cops. If someone is already biased against you because you have a gun they will hate you even more. Throw a dip in your lip and to them you become the justification for the existence of the ATF (BATFE)."
I can't say I am totally against being in possession of a firearm while drinking. However, drinking and shooting is another matter. Just because you are a bachelor who lives with other highly trained adult males who know how to handle guns doesn't mean everyone is. Some people have kids. When I drink at home with my roommates our defensive guns don't automatically end up in the safe...unless we're having a party.
Knowing your ability to know your limits and stay within them is a luxury not all have once they have have a few in them. Thus there are rules (every rule exist because someone screwed something up) such as not carrying into bars, because someone @#$%ed that up in the past. Yes it may be legal to drink and possess guns, but there are bad connotations with that to many people, dry or not. Many people don't own guns or drink because they are scared of both. Mix the two in someone they don't know and they get even more scared. Look at bear- he knows guns and as I understand has taken a drink (although not for a long time)- he is still unnerved by it. Now think about sister rainbow-sky-starlight out watching the birdies in capitol forest and coming across that @#$%. Guess what? Many hippies in Oly have friends with views overlooking capitol lake. More laws...just what we need. Do you OC to church (if you go)? Do you carry to the bar (maybe a dumb question...)? There are certain things that shouldn't be done- even if they are legal. Keep it behind closed doors or on private property. Owning guns is a right, drinking and shooting is not a constitutionally protected right.
Great post! I don't understand your OC to church comment. I CC to church every Sunday. I guess I just don't understand what you are getting at with the church thing.
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tanman
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 07:27 pm |
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luvmyglock wrote:
Great post! I don't understand your OC to church comment. I CC to church every Sunday. I guess I just don't understand what you are getting at with the church thing.
I'm just getting at the fact that some people are legitimately unnerved by guns. Where I would normally say 'get over it, I'm not gonna hurt you' on the street- I am sympathetic to it in church. I don't want to impede someone else's ability to concentrate/pray or scare the flock off, if you will. Not only would OCing to church not respect other's 1st ammendment rights, but the apostle Paul said, "Do nothing that would cause your brother to fall." I take this to mean impeding their ability to worship as well. That being said, I usually duel CC to church- in case one of my friends isn't that knows what they're doing. Nothing is sacred to shooters these days.
Now to lighten the mood, funny story- went to my second cousin's first communion in Lewiston wearing a suit and a serpa on my right side. I ended up on the right end of a pew with arm rests...I managed to avoid that unmistakable metal on wood clunk until we sat sat down after the gospel reading (about 1/3 way through mass). When I sat down it was the loudest gun thunk I have ever heard and I instantly had 75% of the church look at me, shruging their shoulders and looking back forward. I even saw a few people pat themselves, with a look on their face like "glad that wasn't me..." Of course my cousin sitting next to me couldn't stop laughing...You know you're in North Idaho when...
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tanman
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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David.Car wrote: tanman wrote: Has anyone thought of the simple answer to this? Open containers on public lands- as I remember Thurston county has an ordinance against it...
So people start useing the little red plastic cups instead...
Fine with me- as long as it's not obvious they're drinking. They're gonna do it anyway, even if it becomes illegal. Doesn't mean I don't think they're dumb for drinking and shooting, but at least fewer people will realize what's going on. What I don't want is the legislature going, "We need a law against drinking and shooting, so while we're at it let's write some other gun laws we've been wanting to write..."
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Jim675
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 07:54 pm |
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So I'm reading through this thread, basically agreeing. And Bear 45/70 threw out a challenge of "...but where are the rest of the forum members?".
And I felt a little guilty.
But then again, I don't drink. So its painless for me to vote no.
And then a read tanman's comment of "There are certain things that shouldn't be done- even if they are legal.", and that just sounds so much opposed to this forum's slogan - "A right unexercised is a right lost".
I guess I fall back on my liberterian feelings of: thinking about a crime or increasing your potential to commit a crime should not be crimes. Crimes are crimes.
Shoot a bystander and go to jail for a long time plus a penalty for "public stupid".
Put a target on a bush and shoot someone behind it = jail.
But the low IQ (perhaps artificially lowered with chemicals) that made that decision seem reasonable at the time isn't illegal. The action is.
So have a beer and shoot, if not illegal or prohibited by the land owner. If I'm there and don't know you I will probably leave. I you're my bud and we came together please don't be offended if I watch you very closely. In fact I probably won't shoot anymore so I can stay behind the firing line.
This also reminds me that when we qualified on German weapons the range cadre (German Army) were all sipping beers throughout the day in accordance with their accepted custom. We lived. We even thought it was pretty damn cool at the time. The US Army wasn't so leniant (to put it mildly).
Kind regards,
Jim
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tanman
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 03:27 am |
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Jim675 wrote:
And then a read tanman's comment of "There are certain things that shouldn't be done- even if they are legal.", and that just sounds so much opposed to this forum's slogan - "A right unexercised is a right lost".
Is it a right? Is driving a right? You need a driver's licence don't you? Is driving with a cell phone a right? I think freedom of movement and communication is, but the state disagrees. Why? Because someone screwed up with their freedom- now we all pay...in terms of time we can't get back or money for bluetooth. All because of the state. Guns are protected, mixing them with booze isn't.
Look at my previous posts again...I really don't care what people do. I just think advertising it is a dumb idea. Like you, I will be more edgy, maybe even leave. Law makers are always looking for ways prevent crime before it has the chance to happen- gun laws, liquor laws, possession of contraband (non-drug) laws, no guns in bars/federal turf, or my personal favorite example of punishing law abiding citizens and only law abiding citizens- @#$%ing SCHOOLS. Stunts like shooting while drinking give them a reason to make it illegal. Most of the time they over react and then life becomes harder for those who weren't trouble makers to start with. For example, in so many words of legalese make it, "illegal to possess guns while any alcohol is in your system." (Bear is drooling) What about .04% in the trunk of your vehicle unloaded while driving home or in your own home? They will always go to far, as school shootings demonstrate. Just friggin be smart about it.
Also, no experience with Germans, but the Brits were even more leinient. I'm not sure why its not an issue for them, but drunkeness in Europe isn't accepted as freely as it is here, so its not much of an issue. It seems those that see a problem with drunkeness here see it the same as having one drink- thus the American crackdown attitude. The Brits, Aussies and Italians all have booze in Iraq and they control themselves, can't say the same for Americans, when they get their hands on it. I've seen DUIs in IRaq with my own eyes. Gotta love that culture of indulgence...
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Jim675
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 04:12 am |
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I guess for me it just comes down to being very reluctant to vacate a freedom unless it does active harm.
And no, of course drinking while shooting isn't a Constitutional right. I just meant that when we allow public opinion to suppress an act that is not unlawful we're abetting the forces of tyranny, just a little bit.
Can bad law be written about every facet of our lives? Of course, if good people can't be bothered to fight it.
Your point about most Europeans' attitudes is spot on. Much more tolerant of - well, everything. After all, they drove their puritannical neighbors here! As this thread shows, even many generations later, their descendants are alive and well. 
Its too bad its so hard to keep their thrift and work ethic and so easy to keep their disapproving nature. Or maybe not, then we'd be Europeans! Viva la difference.
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Spaceman Spiff
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 05:31 pm |
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