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ghosthunter
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 07:14 am |
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Looks like the Skagit County Fairgrounds says no weapons. What do you think????
I live across the street.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/fairgrounds
In order to make your visit to the Fair an enjoyable experience, we appreciate your compliance with our policies noted below.
These items may not be brought into the facility:
- Alcohol
- Weapons
- Laser-pointing devices
- Bicycles, roller skates/blades, skateboards, unauthorized vehicles
- Drug paraphernalia, controlled/illegal substances
- Animals (except service or exhibited animals or with Management permission)
- Solicitations, no handing out, selling, or promoting products outside of commercial vendor booths.
note: Intresting because they have gun shows there.
Last edited on Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 07:16 am by ghosthunter
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just_a_car
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 12:45 pm |
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Thing is, the contact email is FairGrounds@co.skagit.wa.us which means this is a government (county) run fairgrounds.
The problem is, they say "Management" throughout the rules and regs and mention that Management's say is final. Now, if they're pulling the same crap that Safeco and Qwest Fields are pulling and using a third party to have them ban firearms whereas they, as a government entity could not, then it would be "test case" time.
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jbone
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 04:48 pm |
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| Sounds par for Skagit, they also have no drop boxs, weapon check at thier court houses.
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 06:27 pm |
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| Contact the county and ask for the dude that manages the fairgrounds. If he is a county employee, they be in violation of state preemption. Which shouldn't really surprise anyone.
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joeroket
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 07:53 pm |
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I would say that they are in violation of state pre-emption. If you read the building rental page you will see that the rental policy all the way at the bottom is between the LESSEE and COUNTY.
Here is the fairground managers e-mail;
lcollings@co.skagit.wa.us (Leslie Collings, Fairgrounds Manager)
Last edited on Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 07:55 pm by joeroket
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jbone
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 09:22 pm |
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joeroket wrote: I would say that they are in violation of state pre-emption. If you read the building rental page you will see that the rental policy all the way at the bottom is between the LESSEE and COUNTY.
Here is the fairground managers e-mail;
lcollings@co.skagit.wa.us (Leslie Collings, Fairgrounds Manager)
Just sent email letter, will see. But than again I'm still waiting a reply from Skagit Court House.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/13286.html
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ghosthunter
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 11:26 pm |
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| I know for a fact that this fair is owned and operated with tax payer dollars and that the Manager is hired and paid by Skagit County. It is patrolled by Skagit County Sheriffs Dept. The county also owns the house across the street from me and they use it for a care takers residence.
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 11:32 pm |
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ghosthunter wrote: I know for a fact that this fair is owned and operated with tax payer dollars and that the Manager is hired and paid by Skagit County. It is patrolled by Skagit County Sheriffs Dept. The county also owns the house across the street from me and they use it for a care takers residence.
Then the county is in violation of state law and the firearms preemption which makes there rule, law, ordinance illegal and null and void.
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jbone
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 03:38 pm |
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Received this response today from Skagit County Attorneys Office. I know its a little late for the fair but should fix the fair grounds ban in the future. I'll use him for the Court House issue as well, he invite me to use him on any other County issues involing firearms.
From: Paul Reilly
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:26 PM
Subject: FW: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Dear Mr. Me.
I believe that you are correct. I will recommend that the website language be altered to comply with the State laws or eliminated entirely.
Paul Reilly
WSBA #10709
Civil Division
Skagit County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
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From: Them
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:39 AM
To: PaulReilly
Subject: FW: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Paul: Please review and let me know what you think. Thanks bk
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From: Them
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:32 AM
To: Them
Subject: RE: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Leslie: We do have an ordinances regarding weapons/firearms on County property. I will ask Paul Reilly to review the e-mail below. I will get back to you. Thanks bk
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From: Them
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:29 AM
To: Them
Subject: FW: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Hi there,
Please read below and let me know how you would like me to handle this.
Thanks,
Leslie Collings
Skagit County Fairgrounds Manager
1410 Virginia Street
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
Phone: (360) 336-9453
Fax: (360)336-9451
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From: Me
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:44 PM
To: Leslie Collings
Subject: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
2 August 2008
Leslie Collings
Skagit County Fairgrounds
1410 Virginia Street
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-336-9453
Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Good Afternoon. I am inquiring about the no weapons policy on Skagit County Fairgrounds. Skagit County Fairgrounds website states “These items may not be brought into the facility, and Weapons being listed“. I want to ensure that the county was not banning firearms on public county property from those who can legally posses and carry firearms under Washington State Law. RCW 9.41.290 clearly defines the preemption. Please provide clarification on policy.
“RCW 9.41.290 State preemption.
“The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300> , and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality”.
Respectfully,
//s// Me
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Last edited on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 03:45 pm by jbone
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Triple Tap
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 05:49 pm |
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Very nicley done ! So what about the laser pointer issue, I use lasergrips on my Kimber. 
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OC-Glock19
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:20 pm |
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Triple Tap wrote: Very nicley done ! So what about the laser pointer issue, I use lasergrips on my Kimber.
I think that if you were using your Kimber as a laser pointer at the fair people might get upset. 
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:25 pm |
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OC-Glock19 wrote: Triple Tap wrote: Very nicley done ! So what about the laser pointer issue, I use lasergrips on my Kimber.
I think that if you were using your Kimber as a laser pointer at the fair people might get upset.
Ya think? 
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Bookman
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 06:55 pm |
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Good Job! Good on the County Attorney, too, for recognizing immediately that they were wrong.
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Triple Tap
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 10:58 pm |
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OC-Glock19 wrote: Triple Tap wrote: Very nicley done ! So what about the laser pointer issue, I use lasergrips on my Kimber.
I think that if you were using your Kimber as a laser pointer at the fair people might get upset.
Its a wonder why I cant seem to get more people into my seminars...hmmmm
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jbone
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:38 am |
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Triple Tap wrote: Very nicley done ! So what about the laser pointer issue, I use lasergrips on my Kimber.
Sorry Triple Tap, I did'nt think to address other items.
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Hammer
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 03:52 am |
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Hey jbone,
Maybe this is the guy we need to talk to about the county courthouse issue. I haven't heard jack form the commissioners.
And the fairgrounds stuff is funny. Know what's there this Saturday?
A gun & knife show.....
jbone wrote: Received this response today from Skagit County Attorneys Office. I know its a little late for the fair but should fix the fair grounds ban in the future. I'll use him for the Court House issue as well, he invite me to use him on any other County issues involing firearms.
From: Paul Reilly
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:26 PM
Subject: FW: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Dear Mr. Me.
I believe that you are correct. I will recommend that the website language be altered to comply with the State laws or eliminated entirely.
Paul Reilly
WSBA #10709
Civil Division
Skagit County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
________________________________
From: Them
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:39 AM
To: PaulReilly
Subject: FW: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Paul: Please review and let me know what you think. Thanks bk
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From: Them
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:32 AM
To: Them
Subject: RE: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Leslie: We do have an ordinances regarding weapons/firearms on County property. I will ask Paul Reilly to review the e-mail below. I will get back to you. Thanks bk
________________________________
From: Them
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:29 AM
To: Them
Subject: FW: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Hi there,
Please read below and let me know how you would like me to handle this.
Thanks,
Leslie Collings
Skagit County Fairgrounds Manager
1410 Virginia Street
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
Phone: (360) 336-9453
Fax: (360)336-9451
________________________________
From: Me
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:44 PM
To: Leslie Collings
Subject: Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
2 August 2008
Leslie Collings
Skagit County Fairgrounds
1410 Virginia Street
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-336-9453
Subject: Skagit County Fairgrounds Firearms ban
Good Afternoon. I am inquiring about the no weapons policy on Skagit County Fairgrounds. Skagit County Fairgrounds website states “These items may not be brought into the facility, and Weapons being listed“. I want to ensure that the county was not banning firearms on public county property from those who can legally posses and carry firearms under Washington State Law. RCW 9.41.290 clearly defines the preemption. Please provide clarification on policy.
“RCW 9.41.290 State preemption.
“The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300> , and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality”.
Respectfully,
//s// Me
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ghosthunter
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 06:53 am |
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| Reilly has been the county att. for years. He handled most of the legal matters for the proposed Shooting Range at Frailey MT. Shooters around here are not that impressed with his efforts on the Range.
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jbone
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 03:46 am |
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Hammer wrote: Hey jbone,
Maybe this is the guy we need to talk to about the county courthouse issue. I haven't heard jack form the commissioners.
And the fairgrounds stuff is funny. Know what's there this Saturday?
A gun & knife show.....
Hammer,
I sent Mr. Reilly a copy of the Skagit court house email yesterday, hoping for a response. Forgot all about the show tomorow, I think I'll try to attend hav'nt been to this falcon show yet. Last edited on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 06:50 am by jbone
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just_a_car
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 04:44 am |
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So, seeing a commercial on the television reminded me of this thread. It was for Evergreen State Fair. I know we've determined in the past that it's a State-run fair and thus, falls under preemption, but has anyone determined if the fair has "no firearms/weapons" rules posted and, if so, it would be good to refer this letter to the authorities over there, also.
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M1Gunr
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 05:37 am |
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http://www.evergreenfair.org/Userfiles/Docs/2008_OC_%20Lace_Crochet_Knit.pdf
See page 5
Looks like preemption to me.....
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