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M1Gunr
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 01:18 am |
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Boo Boo wrote: but having it their mans you are legally saying if its nopt in the pamphlet its legal. which is to give legal advise. thus you are implying that you are providing a legal service
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NavyLT
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 03:42 am |
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Boo Boo wrote: but having it their mans you are legally saying if its nopt in the pamphlet its legal. which is to give legal advise. thus you are implying that you are providing a legal service
Show me anywhere in the pamphlet where it is stated "if its nopt in the pamphlet its legal" and I am not just making fun of your typos either. What it states is that if an action is not prohibited by law then that action is legal, which is the way the American legal system works.
You didn't have any problems handing out the pamphlets before, you just don't like the fact that I took on a project of improving an already excellent product.
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Boo Boo
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 05:22 am |
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section 8 is making it legal . it contradictes the disclaimer.
you are giving legal advise. you are giving your interpetation of the law. you are not an attorney and such telling that something is legal. you are stating that is law and you will back it up in court
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Trigger Dr
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 05:29 am |
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BooBoob, That statement "If it is not prohibited by law, Then it is legal" was suggested by an attorney who specializes in firearms and civil rights violations. Now, my question to you is Where did you get your law degree?
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i've passed out a few. and I never actualy went over them. and the ones I do have I will sharpie that out. as it is like you giving legal advise without a law degree. and shpould never have been put in the original
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Boo Boo
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 06:07 am |
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I never said I did. I stated a fact that was in the publication. if a so called attorney told you to put it in there lets chat with him as to why he put that in.
I don't see them offering free legal advise. just hearsay.
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John Hardin
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 02:36 pm |
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Trigger Dr wrote: That statement "If it is not prohibited by law, Then it is legal" was suggested by an attorney who specializes in firearms and civil rights violations. Now, my question to you is Where did you get your law degree?
You might want to word that "As a general principle, if an act is not prohibited by law that act is legal." Let them know that's how to interpret statutes rather than making it sound like specific advice.
Last edited on Tue Oct 6th, 2009 02:37 pm by John Hardin
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Jim675
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 08:56 am |
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Per Wikipedia:
Legal advice is distinguished from legal information which is the reiteration of legal fact. Legal information can be conveyed by a parking meter, sign or by other forms of notice such as a warning by a law enforcement officer. Printed legal materials, such as directions and how-to manuals, are generally not considered legal advice.
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Boo Boo
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 06:28 pm |
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but are considered if you are telling someone something is legal.
just because something isnt said doesnt mean its not illegal. what you are saying everything is legal if you cant find it on the books
which is bull@#$%. you are making up laws and telling people they are legal.
this is why people go to jail.
but then I doubt he cares
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Ajetpilot
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 08:01 pm |
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| I'm having a little trouble with this, Boo Boo . Can you give us an example of something which is illegal, even though there is no law written that states it is illegal?
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Boo Boo
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 09:25 pm |
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I'll let you think of something yourself.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 09:27 pm |
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Boo Boo wrote: I'll let you think of something yourself.
Translated from Boo Boo speak that means, "I've got nothing."
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Ajetpilot
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 12:27 am |
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| Hahahaha!!!!
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Jim675
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 01:23 am |
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"We" are who olypendrew was talking about. Educate, over and over. The results will be better all 'round than dog-piling.
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NavyLT
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 02:49 am |
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Jim675 wrote: "We" are who olypendrew was talking about. Educate, over and over. The results will be better all 'round than dog-piling.
You can't educate those with closed minds.
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Boo Boo
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 09:27 am |
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no it means navylt = backyard lawyer hoping you listen to him and you go to jail.
just because something doesn't have a specific law written for it doesn't make it legal
but you tell them it is. thats why people lose their rights everyday
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Jim675
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 09:39 am |
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Boo Boo, I think we're covered here due to the difference between legal information and legal advice. We're not telling anyone to take a specific action. We're merely stating in general how the legal system works.
We're also protected because we're not advertising ourselves as lawyers, just another bunch of folks with opinions. That's why you don't go to jail for arguing about the law in public, or on OCDO. The legal system knows we're just a bunch of schmucks and makes allowance for that. Those good gentlemen here who are, in fact, lawyers often protect themselves by posting something along the lines of "I am a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer - get your own lawyer before acting on this opinion".
Finally, there's the disclaimer on the handout.
While your concern for your fellow OCDOers is admirable, they're probably safe on this one.
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Boo Boo
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 11:33 am |
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a false disclaimer doesn't help a valid disclaimer
like wiping your ass with poison ivy. it'll work. but you never want to do it again
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M1Gunr
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Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 05:28 pm |
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Boo Boo wrote: a false disclaimer doesn't help a valid disclaimer
like wiping your ass with poison ivy. it'll work. but you never want to do it again
It's like talking to Boo Boo you do it once and never want to do it again... LOL
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Gray Peterson
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 12:49 pm |
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M1Gunr wrote: Boo Boo wrote: a false disclaimer doesn't help a valid disclaimer
like wiping your ass with poison ivy. it'll work. but you never want to do it again
It's like talking to Boo Boo you do it once and never want to do it again... LOL
I have to agree with you on that score.
If what the pamphlet is doing is giving legal advice (and therefor illegal), then every book written on information on gun laws would be illegal. OCDO would be illegal. Dave Workman's book "Washington State Gun Rights and Responsibilities" would be illegal, and same with packing.org when that existed.
The fact that several people at Dino's gather openly and repeatedly called for Boo Boo's removal from this forum because all he does is post mindless drivel like this should tell you something. When it gets to the point where they are calling for his ban RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM, then it's a really serious problem.
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Posted: Sun Nov 1st, 2009 01:40 am |
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no the serious problem is telling someone if theres not a law then its legal is assinime backyard lawyer at its best.
and so you want to bab me. so what? just because I don't kiss your ass whoopie doo. that won't change thats one reason my nose isnt brown. now go round up your own group of sheeple.
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