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jeeper1
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 07:34 am |
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Oh yeah, Doc Neeleys is closed Sundays and Mondays.
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Richard6218
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 04:17 pm |
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jeeper1 wrote: HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON
I knew there was a reason besides their high prices I don't like them.
Doc Neeleys is my favorite gun shop, I've bought and sold several guns through them.
This is a perfect example of what I meant by the marketplace exacting its punishment on under-performing businesses. Free-market capitalism in action.
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olypendrew
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 05:41 pm |
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I agree. Hi-Caliber struck me as more of the typical no-help, lotsa-attitude gun store, whereas Cowboy Guns and Gear was staffed by two extremely friendly and helpful guys. I cannot say much about the prices, because I wasn't really paying attention, but there was at least one good deal on a Savage 22-250 at Cowboy Guns and Gear that I would have been hard pressed to pass up if I was in the market for a bolt action varmint gun.
I wasn't OCing in either store, but I bet there won't be an issue in Cowboy Guns.
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Richard6218
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 06:37 pm |
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olypendrew wrote: I agree. Hi-Caliber struck me as more of the typical no-help, lotsa-attitude gun store, whereas Cowboy Guns and Gear was staffed by two extremely friendly and helpful guys. I cannot say much about the prices, because I wasn't really paying attention, but there was at least one good deal on a Savage 22-250 at Cowboy Guns and Gear that I would have been hard pressed to pass up if I was in the market for a bolt action varmint gun.
I wasn't OCing in either store, but I bet there won't be an issue in Cowboy Guns.
Why don't you just OC there and find out. If they don't want you doing it they'll say so. DO NOT talk about it unless they bring it up.
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olypendrew
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Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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| I may next time. Normally I pocket carry a S&W 642. To me, this is the perfect way to carry most of the time, given the places I go and the people I meet, and the ease and comfort of my preferred mode. I OC an increasing amount, but I am not an all-the-timer.
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Richard6218
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 06:22 pm |
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Richard6218 wrote: joeroket wrote: I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two.
I'm sending a message to Randy Loun with a paste of my description of what happened. If his response is positive I will file a lawsuit against Haggen and the manager.
Very interesting non-development, on two fronts. It's been a week now and (1) no one from Haggen has contacted me, and (2) the email I sent to Randy Loun and the follow-up phone message I left for him on Tuesday have gone unanswered. I guess Mr. Loun doesn't think I have a case. And Haggen is totally discounting me as a customer  As joeroket said, Haggen can go pound sand.
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 06:25 pm |
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Richard6218 wrote: Richard6218 wrote: joeroket wrote: I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two.
I'm sending a message to Randy Loun with a paste of my description of what happened. If his response is positive I will file a lawsuit against Haggen and the manager.
Very interesting non-development, on two fronts. It's been a week now and (1) no one from Haggen has contacted me, and (2) the email I sent to Randy Loun and the follow-up phone message I left for him on Tuesday have gone unanswered. I guess Mr. Loun doesn't think I have a case. And Haggen is totally discounting me as a customer As joeroket said, Haggen can go pound sand.
Randy is hunting right now, so give him a break if he likes to go do some recreating once in awhile.
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Richard6218
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 06:59 pm |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Richard6218 wrote: Richard6218 wrote: joeroket wrote: I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two.
I'm sending a message to Randy Loun with a paste of my description of what happened. If his response is positive I will file a lawsuit against Haggen and the manager.
Very interesting non-development, on two fronts. It's been a week now and (1) no one from Haggen has contacted me, and (2) the email I sent to Randy Loun and the follow-up phone message I left for him on Tuesday have gone unanswered. I guess Mr. Loun doesn't think I have a case. And Haggen is totally discounting me as a customer As joeroket said, Haggen can go pound sand.
Randy is hunting right now, so give him a break if he likes to go do some recreating once in awhile.
Bear: thanks for the update on Randy.
Thanks also to just_ : He added Haggen to the DNP list but didn't tell me. I just saw it last night. As I haven't heard from their corporate, for now the DNP will have to apply only to the Ferndale store. Just wondering: heresolong, have you managed to get hold of anyone there?
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Richard6218
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Posted: Wed Oct 22nd, 2008 11:31 pm |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Richard6218 wrote: heresolong wrote: Richard6218 wrote: He said he had three or four complaints in the space of about ten minutes, all from regular customers. My guess is that this is an absolute lie. I think most people on the board will agree with me that the vast majority of people don't even notice that you are carrying, let alone make complaints. To have four complaints in ten minutes, unless you were running through the store screaming "look at my gun" is unbelievable.Haggen in Ferndale has a brand new manager, has only been there about three months. My suspicion is that he noticed and that it bugs him for some reason. He can't just say that without looking like a tool so he lies.
Plus how would he know they are regular customers. He is brand new. Did he know that you were a regular customer?
I am going to contact Haggen corporate myself this week and see if I can get an answer independently of this guy.
Here is a totally new development on this (it's been a couple days but I've been BZ with other stuff since then). As I've been doing since my discussion with him a month and a half ago, I parked my car, DISARMED, and went into the store to shop. I noticed Frank was standing out in front, talking on his cell phone. I went about my business as usual, and as I was approaching the beer case I was hailed from behind. It was Frank, with two Ferndale cops in tow. The lead cop, a sergeant, started his speech with some pandering about my rights, etc., then went on about how I was frightening the little old ladies, and I need to stop OC'ing in the store. I interrupted him:
Me (pointing to my empty holster): Am I breaking any law?
Cop: No, I was just explaining about the problem you've been creating.
Me (again interrupting): I haven't carried a weapon here for a month and a half, since a discussion with this manager.
Cop: I see that.
Me: Then why are we even having this discussion?
Cop: I'm outa here. (Keying his microphone: "Code Four") This is a civil matter and I'll let the two of you work it out.
Me (addressing Frank): You were going to get me a copy of your corporate policy. Do you have that?
Frank: No, but I'll give you the name of someone to call.
I went to the checkstand to finish what I came for, and went back to Frank who was still in front of the customer service desk. I let him have it about the people he claimed were complaining, and his duplicity in calling the cops on me for wearing an empty holster. He said that was because I had said I would resume OC'ing because of the lack of a No Firearms sign. But note that in my post about that discussion he countered that statement with his that he could trespass me. I think it was at that time he decided that he would call the cops next time he saw me, regardless. He caused me a lot of embarrassment and public humiliation for NOTHING.
This guy is a real weasel. He says he took me at my word ("...you're a man of your word") that I would resume OC'ing, but he didn't bother to check whether I was carrying before he called the cops. Then he failed to do what he had promised me, which was to get a copy of their corporate policy. In the last discussion after the LEO's had left I gave him my name and phone # so their corporate person could call me (probably a mistake) but so far it's been 2 days and I haven't heard from anyone. heresolong, I think you're right about his lying about all the complaints. If you want to call their corporate office, feel free. I wish I could remember the name of the person who was supposed to call me -- Frank mentioned it but names get away from me like water on an open hand.
This moron has a boss, probably not at the store but somewhere and you should be speaking with him.
Just got off the phone with Randy Loun. He doesn't think I have an actionable case, for the reason that Frank had a reasonable belief that I may have been carrying. This alone would likely cause a verdict to go against me. Further, should I lose the case there is another concept at law, and the name of that has gotten away from me already, that allows the defendant to sue me for fees and court costs. Soooo --- best to leave sleeping dogs lie. PUNT! as they say. Too bad I can't totally boycott the place. My only option would be to quit eating. (Maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea  )
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M1Gunr
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 03:59 am |
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This is one of those FYI things I ran across and though others might like to know.
7-Eleven, Denny’s and White Hen Pantry is owned by Seven & I Holdings Co., Ltd. which is a Japanese company and the fifth largest retailer in the world.
Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Longhorn Steakhouse, Bahama Breeze, The Capitol Grille and Seasons 52 is owned by Darden Restaurants, Inc. (NYSE RI), the largest casual dining restaurant company in the world.
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 04:56 am |
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M1Gunr wrote: This is one of those FYI things I ran across and though others might like to know.
7-Eleven, Denny’s and White Hen Pantry is owned by Seven & I Holdings Co., Ltd. which is a Japanese company and the fifth largest retailer in the world.
Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Longhorn Steakhouse, Bahama Breeze, The Capitol Grille and Seasons 52 is owned by Darden Restaurants, Inc. (NYSERI), the largest casual dining restaurant company in the world.
Most of the Denny's are franchised and not owned by the parent corp.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 05:13 am |
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Sad to say another one to add to the list.. It could be partially my fault. But you learn.. I went to South End Grocery - Tumwater tonight to get some baking things. I've been there often OC'd I've also been there CC'd to. Well I tend to talk with the clerk about stuff sometimes hunting and what ever quite often just BS'n .
After about 2 minutes of talking a Tumwater LEO drives up comes in.. Sees my firearm says nothing grabs a coke and stands in line. My mistake was saying to the clerk before the Leo cames in that he might be here because someone called the Police. While the LEO was in the back getting his coke he mentioned that he thought it would be a good idea for me to leave my gun in the car when I come in the store.. I didn't want to argue with him with the LEO there so I said I don't want to make trouble so I'll honor your request.
I decided to contact him via phone when I got home.. The funny part is that he said that it doesn't bother him but it might bother the customers. I simply asked what is the preference of the store.. And he said that I leave in my car or cover up. We talked for a while and I told him that I will just go to Fred Meyers on days that I'm going to OC. I also told him that people that dont know the law need to get over it and get educated.. and OC'ing is a way to educate people. His other statement was that People have come back in to the store after I left to ask if my gun was real.. KInd funny..
Anyways.. Sad to say. I was hopeful. I might talk to him again next time I go there.. CC'd and talk more..
More stuff was said but I'll leave it at that unless you want more info..
John
I think I'm going to start another thread Its about time for a Olympia OC Lunch in..
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just_a_car
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 05:53 am |
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OLYXDGUY, tell me how your story relates that the store should be "placed on the list" (I assume you mean DNP List, which it definitely doesn't qualify for, but it might for the Watch List) when the person (I can only assume you mean owner when you said "clerk", and if it isn't, then there's no basis for being put on the Watch List) told you that you could simply CC in the store and you'd be fine. They just said they didn't want your OC... they didn't say you couldn't carry in their store and it sounded like they were polite about it.
You need to talk to the manager or owner of the store to see if that's really their policy... and, no offense, you also need to search your car for where you left your 'guts'... cuz you definitely didn't bring them in with you.
When you talk to the manager, you might want to mention that you prefer OC and that you're more than happy to take your business elsewhere if it'll be a problem... and that you have OC'd before there without issue. If the clerk asked you to cover up or put it in the car because of the LEO, then would it also be okay for the clerk to ask a man wearing an NWO shirt to step outside because it might offend the LEO?... Both are legal and protected under the constitution and the clerk is asking you to change your behavior because of a cop in the store. That's wrong and descriminatory.
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think the clerk needs some remedial training in illegal descrimination. You may want to bring this up with the manager. 
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OLYXDGUY
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 06:05 am |
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just_a_car wrote:
OLYXDGUY, tell me how your story relates that the store should be "placed on the list" (I assume you mean DNP List, which it definitely doesn't qualify for, but it might for the Watch List) when the person (I can only assume you mean owner when you said "clerk", and if it isn't, then there's no basis for being put on the Watch List) told you that you could simply CC in the store and you'd be fine. They just said they didn't want your OC... they didn't say you couldn't carry in their store and it sounded like they were polite about it.
You need to talk to the manager or owner of the store to see if that's really their policy... and, no offense, you also need to search your car for where you left your 'guts'... cuz you definitely didn't bring them in with you.
When you talk to the manager, you might want to mention that you prefer OC and that you're more than happy to take your business elsewhere if it'll be a problem... and that you have OC'd before there without issue. If the clerk asked you to cover up or put it in the car because of the LEO, then would it also be okay for the clerk to ask a man wearing an NWO shirt to step outside because it might offend the LEO?... Both are legal and protected under the constitution and the clerk is asking you to change your behavior because of a cop in the store. That's wrong and descriminatory.
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think the clerk needs some remedial training in illegal descrimination. You may want to bring this up with the manager.
Thanks, Obviously this belongs on the DNP list! This store is a ma and pa store..I belive the clerk might even be family. I am going to talk to the manager/owner again to find out the policy.. If the Leo had no problem with it neither should the clerk or another person. Fact is I'm not going to have this conversation with a LEO there the last thing I want is him to think that I'm arguing. I will deal with them this week but I'm sure they not going to change..
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Granum
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 03:46 pm |
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Richard6218 wrote: jeeper1 wrote: HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON
I knew there was a reason besides their high prices I don't like them.
Doc Neeleys is my favorite gun shop, I've bought and sold several guns through them.
This is a perfect example of what I meant by the marketplace exacting its punishment on under-performing businesses. Free-market capitalism in action.
Well I went to Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear 3 times. O/C all 3 times with my Ruger P85. They noticed but didn't mind. The customer service was great even bought a new S&W 40. id ask to consider it for the do list?
 yea for the good guys
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Richard6218
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 04:16 pm |
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Granum wrote: Richard6218 wrote: jeeper1 wrote: HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON
I knew there was a reason besides their high prices I don't like them.
Doc Neeleys is my favorite gun shop, I've bought and sold several guns through them.
This is a perfect example of what I meant by the marketplace exacting its punishment on under-performing businesses. Free-market capitalism in action.
Well I went to Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear 3 times. O/C all 3 times with my Ruger P85. They noticed but didn't mind. The customer service was great even bought a new S&W 40. id ask to consider it for the do list?
yea for the good guys
Roger that
Next, I'd suggest sending a PM to just_a_car with your request. If he needs any further supporting info he will let you know.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 12:22 am |
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Richard6218 wrote: Granum wrote: Richard6218 wrote: jeeper1 wrote: HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON
I knew there was a reason besides their high prices I don't like them.
Doc Neeleys is my favorite gun shop, I've bought and sold several guns through them.
This is a perfect example of what I meant by the marketplace exacting its punishment on under-performing businesses. Free-market capitalism in action.
Well I went to Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear 3 times. O/C all 3 times with my Ruger P85. They noticed but didn't mind. The customer service was great even bought a new S&W 40. id ask to consider it for the do list?
yea for the good guys
Roger that
Next, I'd suggest sending a PM to just_a_car with your request. If he needs any further supporting info he will let you know.
No need for a PM... You guys need to reread (or read for the first time - I hope not) the first post of this thread with the guidelines of how businesses get on any of the lists.
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Granum
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 12:05 pm |
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Is there anything ells or am I just not gettin it?
messege me please if im not just a car
Doc Neeley's Cowboy Guns and Gear
105 E 8th St
Port Angeles, WA 98362
They noticed I was OC. (the owner) We talked about it even told him about OCDO the first time I was in. But conversation ended up in the end to what they had in there case. good experience. The owner (I assume his photo was on the bussnes card.) at his desk even had me come around and look at his computer to play a video for me he was emailed. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMeD-KB8kgs ) its a funny one.
 Honest I don't know it that post was directed at me or not.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 08:02 pm |
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Well, Granum, that's the first time you've ever mentioned any talk about OC or even that they noticed. The part of my original post I was referencing is this:
"This does not mean "Hey, I went here and had no issues," it means that someone that works there (preferably a manager or supervisor) actually noticed the gun and said something positive about it."
Your previous posts (prior to the one today) have all been essentially that... saying you went there and didn't have any issues. There was nothing to indicate the business approved of your conduct.
Now, if you can relate, in general, what was said positively towards OC, I'll certainly consider putting them onto the Pro-Gun Biz List.
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Richard6218
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 08:14 pm |
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I went to Kesselring's Gun Shop yesterday in Burlington (4024 Old Hwy 99, Burlington 98233) to shop for a light gun for CC. There was a huge sign in red letters in the front door: "DO NOT BRING LOADED GUNS INTO THE STORE" Sorry, I didn't have my camera with me.
Although I still spent $140 there on some ammo and other stuff, I think that sign and the policy behind it qualifies them for the DNP list.
Problem for me is, they're the nearest FFL dealer but they're some 30 miles away. Next nearest is, I think, in Everett, even farther. 
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