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BB62
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Posted: Sat Sep 1st, 2007 11:01 am |
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TRAKATAK wrote: Greetings from Iraq. While I am away from home, I continue to keep up with the events in Washington on the forum here... ..In the meantime, I cannot support a company that chooses to unnecessarily place it's customers at risk...
First, thank you for your service. At the risk of taking this thread way off track, does the news accurately show what your experiences are in Iraq?
Secondly, just a nit to pick. You said "it's customers" - which means "it is customers". This catches a lot of people. The possessive form of "it" is "its", without the apostrophe.
Please let us know if they get back to you more definitively.
Regards and warm wishes,
BB62
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TRAKATAK
Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 04:28 am |
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BB62,
Yep. You got me. I was wrong with "it's". Very stupid mistake for someone like me to make. I am typically the one correcting everyone else's grammar and documents. Thanks for pointing it out though.
I will make sure to post any further responses I may get from Costco.
It is my pleasure to be doing what I do. Thank you for the kind words. I really wish I could comment on the things going on over here but it would take entirely too much time to accurately describe what happens over here. Also some of my strong opinions should not be made public anyway, as it's (note correct usage  ) pretty hard to talk about everything over here without getting a little emotionally charged during the conversation. I can say that it is not as bad as the media makes it out to be.
TRAKATAK
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swatpro911
Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 04:20 am |
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| I open carried at Costco in virginia. No one stopped me or anything. Upon enterance u have to show your costco membership to the guy at the enterance and thats it. I believe they noticed it but I didnt care. I possed the attitude of like, "say what?" like i dont know them. I went on about my business. At the end of the shopping, they also chek receipt and mark it, I said thank god I am in virginia, I love costco no wonder I am a member. lol
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UTOC-45-44
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 05:37 pm |
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A few days ago I went to my Local Costco. I ALWAYS OC there. On the way out I saw a sign statin that we do everything to satisfy our customers and the 1st Point on the list how to do that they stated "OBEYING THE LAW". This is Awesome since I have never been hasseled at this location and IF I would be Questioned I would just refer to their sign. . The sign is just behind the Customer service desk.
The Costco I am referring to is located just South of Valley Fair Mall in West Valley City, Ut
Last edited on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 05:45 pm by UTOC-45-44
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BluesBear
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Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2007 07:00 am |
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Prior to becoming disabled in 2004 I had worked for the Sam's Club in Seattle. Corporate policy forbids employees to have a firearm ANYWHERE on Wal-Mart/Sam's Club company property. Even having one in your car is a no-no as long as it's in their parking lot.
But WM/SC corporate policy states that they "welcome" customers to lawfully CCW inside their stores but no open carry. Unless of course you are an employee. Which means that Joe Average can CCW in Wal-Mart but as a Sam's Club employee I could not CCW at WM. 
This is based on the training I received in 2003. It is possible thatWM/SC policy may have changed since then. But the word CCW was "welcome" was clearly reinforced in training.
I am however shocked to learn of Costco's policy.  They are a home grown Washington business for goodness sake. Why are we not picketing them? Or at least inundating them with letters?
The next time someone at Costco says anything about no guns just tell them "Fine Sam's club "welcomes" us. 
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Magical_Merlin
Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 10:49 pm |
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Here is a response I got back from Costco today:
Dear Valued Customer,
Thank you for your email to Costco Wholesale.
Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It is not open to the general public. It restricts membership to a limited group of qualified individuals who agree to membership conditions. We have the right and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce membership rules. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are obliged to follow these rules. By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership.
Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.
Our primary goal at Costco Wholesale is to keep our members happy. If you believe that our policy restricting members from bringing firearms into our warehouse stores is either unfair or excessively burdensome, or you cannot agree to abide by this policy, or you are dissatisfied for any other reason, Costco will promptly refund your annual membership fee in full.
Thank you,
Brenda
Costco Wholesale Corporation
memberservice@costco.com
Seams like they have a boiler plate email response. To bad for them, I am no longer shopping there.
Last edited on Fri Dec 14th, 2007 10:50 pm by Magical_Merlin
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Mainsail
Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 11:03 pm |
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That is the standard response; I’ve read that same letter a number of times on other forums. Do this: Write them back something along these lines:
Thank you for your reply to my concern. As I’m sure you are aware from recent events, firearms free zones are really free fire zones for those bent on killing. Your response indicates that you are taking positive steps to guarantee the safety of your customers by installing metal detectors at all entrances to the store to properly sterilize, and ensure there are no firearms, legal or illegal, carried into the environment. The position to guarantee my safety carries certain legal liability obligations, which I’m sure you have discussed with your legal department. If this guarantee is not the policy of COSTCO, please post the entrances of your stores with a sign that says, “Your safety cannot be guaranteed by COSTCO”.
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Morris
Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 11:25 pm |
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Since Jim Senegal lives in a beautiful house in Hunts Point, it seems that a group of folks protesting outside his lovely estate could generate some press, and a reaction from Medina PD.
Just a thought. But I carry anyway inside. People are so engrossed in other things they wouldn't pay attention if I was exposed, albeit briefly.
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UTOC-45-44
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 04:41 am |
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Well...,I was "shootin' the breeze" so to speak with the manager at the Costco in West Valley City,Ut as I was checkin' out. He asked me if I was LEO and I answered that I am not. He knows that I have been @ this location PLENTY of times. He said that he does not have a problem me carrying in the store ( I never even asked if it was ok, he just said it as we were speaking). He said that he has an arsenal @ home. Bytheway, I have NEVER had any negative experiences so far at ANY Costco location I the Salt Lake Area. So far only good and normal coversation.
The secret that I have found out is...dress well and have good manners and there will not be anything to worry about. Just behave "normal" and no one will be concerned. Don't look around and "look figity" so to speak. Carry ourself with confidence. Not overbearing. Just be confident.
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Bear 45/70
Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 05:10 am |
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UTOC-45-44 wrote: Well...,I was "shootin' the breeze" so to speak with the manager at the Costco in West Valley City,Ut as I was checkin' out. He asked me if I was LEO and I answered that I am not. He knows that I have been @ this location PLENTY of times. He said that he does not have a problem me carrying in the store ( I never even asked if it was ok, he just said it as we were speaking). He said that he has an arsenal @ home. Bytheway, I have NEVER had any negative experiences so far at ANY Costco location I the Salt Lake Area. So far only good and normal coversation.
The secret that I have found out is...dress well and have good manners and there will not be anything to worry about. Just behave "normal" and no one will be concerned. Don't look around and "look figity" so to speak. Carry ourself with confidence. Not overbearing. Just be confident.
This subject will be mute if the following link happens.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/6633.html
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Right Wing Wacko
Activist Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 09:48 am |
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This is what I would do. (I cannot since I already did this over a previous issue with Costco".
I would send my Costco card back to them demanding a pro-rated refund of the unused portion of the membership. Explain exactly why you are doing so and tell them you do not accept the conditions of membership and therefore want your membership cancelled.
I did this several years ago on another issue. I never got my refund, but I didn't expect I would. If enough people will do this perhaps they would listen?
Shoot... I'm almost tempted to buy a membership just so I can cancel it
Last edited on Sat Dec 15th, 2007 09:48 am by Right Wing Wacko
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Wheelgunner
Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 05:57 pm |
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Guys,
This subject will be mute if the following link happens.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/6633.html
I was wondering if WAC or Tim Iman would give us some advice on passing a "Gun Free Zone" law here in Washington State. Since we have the option of Petition, it might be a good way to go, but I know little to nothing about the laws concerning petitions.
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Bear 45/70
Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 06:01 pm |
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Wheelgunner wrote: Guys,
This subject will be mute if the following link happens.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/6633.html
I was wondering if WAC or Tim Iman would give us some advice on passing a "Gun Free Zone" law here in Washington State. Since we have the option of Petition, it might be a good way to go, but I know little to nothing about the laws concerning petitions.
I sent a copy of this legislation to my state senator and asked if he would sponsor or support such a bill. At least he knows who I am, so I know I will get a response.
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drkarrow
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 07:51 pm |
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Costco is one of the larger contributers to the Democratic Party, particularly to the more socialist/communist leaning candidates.
Even if they let people carry, I would never shop there.
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.45 1911
Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 12:49 am |
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UTOC-45-44 wrote: Well...,I was "shootin' the breeze" so to speak with the manager at the Costco in West Valley City,Ut as I was checkin' out. He asked me if I was LEO and I answered that I am not. He knows that I have been @ this location PLENTY of times. He said that he does not have a problem me carrying in the store ( I never even asked if it was ok, he just said it as we were speaking). He said that he has an arsenal @ home. Bytheway, I have NEVER had any negative experiences so far at ANY Costco location I the Salt Lake Area. So far only good and normal coversation.
The secret that I have found out is...dress well and have good manners and there will not be anything to worry about. Just behave "normal" and no one will be concerned. Don't look around and "look figity" so to speak. Carry ourself with confidence. Not overbearing. Just be confident.
very very good advice. thank you
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yankees98a
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 03:35 am |
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BluesBear wrote: Prior to becoming disabled in 2004 I had worked for the Sam's Club in Seattle. Corporate policy forbids employees to have a firearm ANYWHERE on Wal-Mart/Sam's Club company property. Even having one in your car is a no-no as long as it's in their parking lot.
But WM/SC corporate policy states that they "welcome" customers to lawfully CCW inside their stores but no open carry. Unless of course you are an employee. Which means that Joe Average can CCW in Wal-Mart but as a Sam's Club employee I could not CCW at WM.
This is based on the training I received in 2003. It is possible thatWM/SC policy may have changed since then. But the word CCW was "welcome" was clearly reinforced in training.
I am however shocked to learn of Costco's policy. They are a home grown Washington business for goodness sake. Why are we not picketing them? Or at least inundating them with letters?
The next time someone at Costco says anything about no guns just tell them "Fine Sam's club "welcomes" us.
Walmart policy is more so for liability reason (employee accidently shooting customer or taking out innocent customer (when have no training)in case of self defense, they are liable vs letting a customer carry according to the law (not liable)
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joeroket
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 05:27 pm |
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Wheelgunner wrote: Guys,
This subject will be mute if the following link happens.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/6633.html
I was wondering if WAC or Tim Iman would give us some advice on passing a "Gun Free Zone" law here in Washington State. Since we have the option of Petition, it might be a good way to go, but I know little to nothing about the laws concerning petitions.
I can guarantee Eyman won't. His only concern is tax issue proposals. I doubt WAC would because then they would have a liability over thier heads if they continued with thier rule.
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SGT Jensen
State Researcher
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 06:22 pm |
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Right Wing Wacko wrote: This is what I would do. (I cannot since I already did this over a previous issue with Costco".
I would send my Costco card back to them demanding a pro-rated refund of the unused portion of the membership. Explain exactly why you are doing so and tell them you do not accept the conditions of membership and therefore want your membership cancelled.
I did this several years ago on another issue. I never got my refund, but I didn't expect I would. If enough people will do this perhaps they would listen?
Shoot... I'm almost tempted to buy a membership just so I can cancel it
Costco has a policy that if you are unsatisfied for any reason, they will refund your membership in full.
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John Hardin
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 06:26 pm |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Wheelgunner wrote: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/6633.html
I sent a copy of this legislation to my state senator and asked if he would sponsor or support such a bill. At least he knows who I am, so I know I will get a response.
Bear, if he has any comments be sure to let us know.
Did you send him a link to where I publish the proposed WA law on my website?
http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/wa_gun_laws_gun_free_zones.txt
This proposal is still somewhat of a work-in-progress. The website will always be up-to-date for any changes, whereas I probably won't post a full copy here every time.
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Bear 45/70
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 07:20 pm |
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John Hardin wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote: Wheelgunner wrote: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/6633.html
I sent a copy of this legislation to my state senator and asked if he would sponsor or support such a bill. At least he knows who I am, so I know I will get a response.
Bear, if he has any comments be sure to let us know.
Did you send him a link to where I publish the proposed WA law on my website?
http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/wa_gun_laws_gun_free_zones.txt
This proposal is still somewhat of a work-in-progress. The website will always be up-to-date for any changes, whereas I probably won't post a full copy here every time.
Not yet as I planned on doing it today, so he would have it for Monday morning. When, not if, he comments I will post. Tim Sheldon is not known for keeping his opinions to himself. Probably why we keep reelecting him, even voted him in as the new county commissioner while still a senator. That put both parties around the bend and they even went to court saying it was illegal. The court's response is best discribed as "HA!".
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