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Right Wing Wacko
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 07:49 pm |
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Costco Bans Guns. For that reason I WILL NOT SHOP THERE. Getting around their ban by simply CC'ing does nothing to change the policy, in fact it encourages it.
It does absolutly no good to have a Do Not Patronize List of everyone continues to do business with those people that abuse your rights. Don't shop there, don't give them your money, and make sure they know why!
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just_a_car
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 09:55 pm |
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RWW, I agree completely.
Unfortunately, my folks are paying for my gas by handing me a Costco Cash card so I can get gas at their two local stations.
To counteract this, I OC every time I fill my tank and I make sure that I only hold the lever down halfway so it takes around twice as long to fill my tank. With the lines of cars behind me on my strong side (I'm talking around 12-15 cars on a normal day) and a guy walking around making sure people are doing alright, I'm sure I've been noticed but I haven't had anyone mention it yet.
As for shopping there, I don't and won't.
Last edited on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 09:55 pm by just_a_car
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Right Wing Wacko
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:36 pm |
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Bandits with full body armor and automatic weapons took over a COSTCO in Texas yesterday.
I see COSTCO’s no-gun policy is working well.
http://cbs11tv.com/local/scarecrow.bandits.bank.2.738338.htmlLast edited on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 02:37 pm by Right Wing Wacko
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bcp
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:03 pm |
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"By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership."
Their online pdf copies do not mention firearms or guns in any way that I can find, but you do agree to wear shoes and shirt.
Bruce
Last edited on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 06:18 pm by bcp
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Right Wing Wacko
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Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 07:55 pm |
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bcp wrote: "By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership."
Their online pdf copies do not mention firearms or guns in any way that I can find, but you do agree to wear shoes and shirt.
Bruce
I sent mine back. I did not wait for it to expire, I returned it to them and told them why
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jbone
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Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 09:34 pm |
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| Not a single sign that mentions a ban on Firearms at the Costco I shop. Are they not requried to post signs by any Fed or State law? Last edited on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 10:08 pm by jbone
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jbone
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 02:15 pm |
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Right Wing Wacko wrote: bcp wrote: "By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership."
Their online pdf copies do not mention firearms or guns in any way that I can find, but you do agree to wear shoes and shirt.
Bruce
I sent mine back. I did not wait for it to expire, I returned it to them and told them why
Did you all get your membership money refuneded, my below BS response says they will refund in full!
"Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It is not open to the general public. It restricts membership to a limited group of qualified individuals who agree to membership conditions. We have the right and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce membership rules. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are obliged to follow these rules. By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership.
Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.
Our primary goal at Costco Wholesale is to keep our members happy. If you believe that our policy restricting members from bringing firearms into our warehouse stores is either unfair or excessively burdensome, or you cannot agree to abide by this policy, or you are dissatisfied for any other reason, Costco will promptly refund your annual membership fee in full"
Thank you-
Doug
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Kildars
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 04:22 am |
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I sent a letter to costco too this is what I said:
I am emailing you regarding your open carry policy at your store. I am under the impression that you do not allow firearms or weapons on your property because you want to promote a "safe" working environment for your employees and members. I am a member of your company, and my parents have been members for many years. I do not agree with your policy, and I do not believe that your policy promotes a safe working and or shopping environment. Do you have any proof that banning legal firearm owners from carrying on your property in anyway makes your property safer?
It is interesting that in this same weekend that we are discussing safety at your store. A woman was almost kidnapped by a sex offender in your parking lot, in my state, in the 2nd closest Costco to me. Exactly how does banning weapons on your property protect me and my family when I'm shopping there? I really look forward to an answer from you. Hope to hear from you soon
They responded:
Dear Jordon,
Thank you for your email to Costco Wholesale.
Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It is not open to the general public. It restricts membership to a limited group of qualified individuals who agree to membership conditions. We have the right and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce membership rules. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are obliged to follow these rules. By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership.
Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.
Our primary goal at Costco Wholesale is to keep our members happy. If you believe that our policy restricting members from bringing firearms into our warehouse stores is either unfair or excessively burdensome, or you cannot agree to abide by this policy, or you are dissatisfied for any other reason, Costco will promptly refund your annual membership fee in full.
Thank you,
Sue
Costco Wholesale Corporation
I responded:
I appreciate the scripted response, but, clearly your policy does not promote a safe workplace as provided in the link I first emailed to you. Again, I ask, is there any logic behind disallowing legal gun owners to carry on your property when clearly people who are coming to shoot at costco will not obey a "gun free zone" sign. People in WA State have to pass background checks, never been convicted of a felony, never had a domestic violence, be of sane mental ability before we get a license, what can you tell me about the other members of Costco? What are you doing to ensure that my daughter isn't robbed and/or kidnapped or killed in your parking lot?
Please respond as a real person.
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bobestes
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 06:06 am |
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Gray2Hairs wrote: This is the message Costco sent me after being asked to not carry in costoc. Oh well.
Dear Ken,
Thank you for your email to Costco Wholesale.
In reference to your inquiry on our policy disallowing the carrying of firearms in our warehouse stores.
Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.
Bringing a firearm into our warehouse does not enhance the shopping experience. We are sorry the message you are hearing is that we don't want you. It is the firearms that we exclude in the warehouses, not the carriers.
Thank you,
Susan
Costco Wholesale Corporation
memberservice@costco.com
I just sent Susan a polite email telling her that her message was that Costco did not want my business, therefore, I would spend my money at Sam's Club instead.
Perhaps others would want to do the same.
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phone guy
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 06:50 am |
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Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club.
Not true! no membership required to go to the pharmacy and get a prescription filled.
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Kildars
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 06:51 am |
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Don't take their responses and just stop. Debate their ridiculous policy with them. Just saying okay they responded and moving on does nothing.
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911Boss
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 07:47 am |
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While I disagree with the Costco position, I accept their right to have it. For all intents and purposes, it is a theological discussion with little chance of either side changing the mind of the other.
An attempted abduction, rape, or other assault in a Costco property is not Costco's fault. Their policy did not cause it to happen, the criminal caused it to happen. Costco does not offer any assurances of safety, the policy clearly says they do not believe firearms are necessary and that they feel this is a reasonable decision. They never presented it as fact, so there really is no point demanding "proof". Beliefs and feelings are intangible.
As far as safety, if I did not believe I was safe, I wouldn't go. I learned long ago never to expect or trust anyone beside me to look out for my safety. My safety is my responsibility.
Tthey don't want me and my gun to offend their other customers? Fine I can respect that and will gladly cover it up. They are happy, I am happy. As close to a win-win as can be hoped for. It is a cost/beneift thing for me. I save enough money shopping at Costco to outweigh my disagreement with their policies. If there were a pro-gun option that offered the same savings and convenience, I would take it. At this point I am happy with the compromise.
Compromise, by definition, is neither side getting what they want, but both getting what they can live with. They don't have to see a gun, I don't have to leave it behind. I get what I need, they get my money.
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jbone
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 02:19 pm |
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As all the scripted responses have mentioned “our warehouse stores” so with that in mind I still OC at their discounted gas pumps, which is not in their warehouse store. No encounter’s yet.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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jbone wrote: As all the scripted responses have mentioned “our warehouse stores” so with that in mind I still OC at their discounted gas pumps, which is not in their warehouse store. No encounter’s yet.
+1. I OC every time I fill up and that's been about 30 times or so. Never an issue... oh, and I stand strong-side towards the lines of cars 4-deep.
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Triple Tap
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 05:15 pm |
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Iwrote them a "nice" letter too, as i am a business account that shops there. They still havent even responded to my letter. Hmmmm.... customer service at its best.
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Triple Tap
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 10:25 pm |
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I got a reply back, same "canned" form letteras above. My money goes elsewhere from now on.
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Right Wing Wacko
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 11:45 pm |
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Triple Tap wrote: I got a reply back, same "canned" form letteras above. My money goes elsewhere from now on.
Don't just quit shopping... send them back your card and explain why.
(You might even get a refund).
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Triple Tap
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 12:14 am |
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oh, I did respond. Like most corporates, they dont care. We are such a small percentage of business it wont impact them. But I will do my part.
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jbone
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 01:32 pm |
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Right Wing Wacko wrote: Don't just quit shopping... send them back your card and explain why.
(You might even get a refund).
My corporate response I post June 16th, states they will refund membership.
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lilothedog
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 02:53 am |
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| I don't know guys, I've posted time and time again that I regularly OC in Costco here in Clarkston and never get a second glance. Maybee were just more used to it over here; thankfully.
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