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surfj9009
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 12:27 am |
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New PDF up, again.
It was edited to make the "Disclaimer" same size font as other section headings in column 1.
Retyped 2 of the useful resources webpage addresses, also made them all the same color. One was the wrong shade of blue.
Also added a empty line before "RCW 9.41.290 – State Preemption" on the second page in the last column. (Just to make it all uniform)
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sv_libertarian
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 01:28 am |
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Thank you for the work.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 04:23 am |
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New PDF again.
Changed some spacing to hopefully make it print up in a better way to allow proper folding.
I can't think of anything else, so hopefully I can leave it alone now.
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Trigger Dr
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 03:28 pm |
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| That looks like just the right thing to pass out at the store when I sell a gun to someone in the grey area of OC knowledge. I think I'll print about 500 and see what happens.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 07:02 pm |
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Trigger Dr wrote: That looks like just the right thing to pass out at the store when I sell a gun to someone in the grey area of OC knowledge. I think I'll print about 500 and see what happens.
Do It!!!!! Heck yes. That's exactly what I am talking about!!!
I was thinking about getting a table at one of the gun shows over here sometime. Although I am not a dealer, it would get a lot of awareness. I would have no problem hanging out and talking with people over a weekend, once my skills at verbally communicating about OC are sharpened. I was also thinking about putting a bunch down on the board at the Spokane Rifle Club and the other local range if they let me someday.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 07:08 pm |
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I could totally print out a bunch in black-and-white, but color copies are dang expensive. I think I'll print off anywhere from 50-100 of 'em to start off.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 07:22 pm |
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So where do you guys plan on giving these out? Gunshows, ranges, interested individuals who ask about OC of course. But where else? Let's get ideas going.
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Trigger Dr
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 01:11 am |
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Well, I have been handing out TB's at the gunshow locally for the past 3 months, and printed one in color 2 sided today, laminated it and have it on the counter at the store (Sportsmans Warehouse). Just a little expensive in color for my retired budget, but, Will get some in B/W also for handouts.
BUT I WILL Do color handouts at the gunshow. I normally have a couple of tables, and get a lot of attention there.
Jim
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Ajetpilot
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 02:06 pm |
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I thought I remembered something about prohibited uses of the Washington State Seal. I found it:
RCW 43.04.050
Use of state seal -- Prohibitions -- Imitations.
(1) Except as otherwise provided in RCW 43.04.040, the state seal shall not be used on or in connection with any advertising or promotion for any product, business, organization, service, or article whether offered for sale for profit or offered without charge.
RCW 43.04.040 says you can use it for educational purposes, but you have to get permission in writing, and there is a filing fee that must be paid with your request.
Is there anything else that can be used that would connote Washington State but is not the official seal?
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John Hardin
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 04:24 pm |
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Ajetpilot wrote: Is there anything else that can be used that would connote Washington State but is not the official seal?
An outline of the state? If you did it as a watermark you wouldn't even have to lose any space for information.
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heresolong
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 05:34 pm |
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Ajetpilot wrote: I thought I remembered something about prohibited uses of the Washington State Seal. I found it:
RCW 43.04.050
Use of state seal -- Prohibitions -- Imitations.
(1) Except as otherwise provided in RCW 43.04.040, the state seal shall not be used on or in connection with any advertising or promotion for any product, business, organization, service, or article whether offered for sale for profit or offered without charge.
RCW 43.04.040 says you can use it for educational purposes, but you have to get permission in writing, and there is a filing fee that must be paid with your request.
Is there anything else that can be used that would connote Washington State but is not the official seal?
I read the rules that the Secretary of State promulgated and we definitely shouldn't be using it without an application and a filing fee. I'd say replace it with an outline of the state of Washington.
Good catch ajetpilot.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 05:56 pm |
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NEW PDF UP!!!
DEFINITELY A GOOD CATCH!!! YOU GUYS ARE BEING TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
I looked online for a good replacement image. Found a green picture of the state which I think is the best replacement. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I am not sure how I feel about not being able to use our state seal, but it is just easier to replace than go through all the trouble.
I corrected the quote under "Facts about carrying a firearm", section 2 to the proper wording directly from the RCW. I am surprised that got by all of us. It was cut and pasted from a different source, a training bulletin actually, but was not 100% accurate in how it was worded. I was tempted to eliminate the example given there and replace it with a "shock and awe" quote from State vs. Casad instead. I am not sure if I could put the proper wording from that case in though given the space restrictions.
I went to Kinko's last night and printed one up on a laser printer in color, and it looked sweet!!! Unfortunately, they said it was .48 for each side if it is printed in color. OUCH!!! Only eight cents each side if printed in black and white. If one wanted to save some money, but still retain the "appeal" of color, you could specify to print the first page in color and the second in black and white. That would only cost .56 per page. Straight black in white would only be .16 each.
I was thinking it might look really good on a light green piece of paper.
I like the idea of the color for things like distributing at the guns shows, shops, ranges, and place where your likely to find "gun folks" who will actually keep it, read it, and then pass it on. Mass distribution events would obviously be much cheaper for things like the Bloomsday, the county fairs, parades, downtown public events, and 4th of July public gatherings.
If there is anybody who owns a print shop, or has a connection to get better prices on printing, please see what you can do to get a deal for us. If there are enough people willing to chip in some money when it is finished, we may all be able to save some money by pooling some cash to print several thousand at a time. Kind of like a group buy thing.
Last edited on Tue Feb 5th, 2008 06:04 pm by surfj9009
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just_a_car
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 08:33 pm |
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surfj9009 wrote:
I corrected the quote under "Facts about carrying a firearm", section 2 to the proper wording directly from the RCW. I am surprised that got by all of us. It was cut and pasted from a different source, a training bulletin actually, but was not 100% accurate in how it was worded.
What do you mean by "got by all of us"?... I quoted it perfectly in my second bullet on the first page. Admittedly, I added some bolding to emphasize some points, but I don't think that counts as improper wording.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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just_a_car wrote: surfj9009 wrote:
I corrected the quote under "Facts about carrying a firearm", section 2 to the proper wording directly from the RCW. I am surprised that got by all of us. It was cut and pasted from a different source, a training bulletin actually, but was not 100% accurate in how it was worded.
What do you mean by "got by all of us"?... I quoted it perfectly in my second bullet on the first page. Admittedly, I added some bolding to emphasize some points, but I don't think that counts as improper wording.
Sorry Just a car, it got by ME. I think when you suggested correcting it I failed to correct the WORDING. I must have glanced at it and thought it was correct, and moved on to the bold face and underlining.
Damn, my bad.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 09:09 pm |
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No worries, the amount of work you've put into this project more than makes up for any mistakes.
You should also put a little "open copyright" at the bottom about how it's copyright to yourself and members of WA OCDO forums, but is free to copy and distribute in it's original unaltered form.
That way, you don't have to worry about anti-gunners taking anything in it and reproducing it, without consent, not in it's entirety... at least legally.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 09:28 pm |
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just_a_car wrote: No worries, the amount of work you've put into this project more than makes up for any mistakes.
You should also put a little "open copyright" at the bottom about how it's copyright to yourself and members of WA OCDO forums, but is free to copy and distribute in it's original unaltered form.
That way, you don't have to worry about anti-gunners taking anything in it and reproducing it, without consent, not in it's entirety... at least legally.
Pardon my ignorance, but I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean. If you were going to write the statement, what would you write?
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just_a_car
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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It's called an "open copyright" but also a Creative Commons® Copyright. You essentially allow reproduction and distribution with the limitations determined by the kind of copyright license you indicate.
More can be read about here: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ
Also, look up "open copyright".
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Trigger Dr
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 01:35 am |
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My daughter works at a print shop, and I was quoted .56 per page. That is both sides color. Roughly $280.00 for 500. The cost would go down with a larger order.
G27, Thanks for stopping by the store today, good to see you again if only briefly.
Jim
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 03:42 am |
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Updated again to add copyright. Moved the disclaimer. Added line for the folds.
My buddy came by and fixed the formatting for me too. Moved a few things around and created some room for any additional text changes that are needed down the road, if any.
Could somebody print it for me and see if it came out ok? Everytime I print it it cuts off the edge, but my buddy says it should be perfect. I think my printer might be messing up.
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joeroket
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 04:43 am |
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| Prints perfect for me. Try setting your page scaling to "scale to printable area".
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