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ShooterMcGavin
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Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 03:58 am |
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surfj9009 wrote: I corrected the quote under "Facts about carrying a firearm", section 2 to the proper wording directly from the RCW. I am surprised that got by all of us. It was cut and pasted from a different source, a training bulletin actually, but was not 100% accurate in how it was worded. I was tempted to eliminate the example given there and replace it with a "shock and awe" quote from State vs. Casad instead. I am not sure if I could put the proper wording from that case in though given the space restrictions.
I don't think this section has been corrected yet. I just downloaded the PDF and it reads:
“in a manner under circumstances at a time and place that manifests an intent to intimidate or that warrants alarm....”
To quote RCW 9.41.270, that part should state:
"in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm...."
I don't mean to pry, but since the document is very much related to open carrying, that statement might be the most important text on both pages. The concealed carry laws are pretty straight forward, but there has been considerable gray area surrounding that specific part of the RCW.
BTW, excellent job and thank you!!!!! I have never OC'd in Washington mainly because of my fear of encountering uninformed officers. I can't afford lawyers. This pamphlet helps a lot of people!!!!
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surfj9009
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Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 08:48 pm |
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Thanks shooter. I don't know why that keeps slipping by me. Although the change was very slight, it is an important part of the text.
With the inclusion of that specific RCW on page 2, I suppose the information was there already, but I did change it.
I would have done it sooner, but I have been out of town and my ability to update the file was nil.
Now that I am home, it's time to start beating on some doors and getting this thing out there here in Spokane.
Who has been printing these lately in large amounts, and what has your cost been?
I want to get a bunch printed, but my costs are too high. If you guys can let me know by email or PM what you pay, maybe I can send some funds to you for the service and you can ship them to me.
Thanks
Surfj9009
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2nd_to_one
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 05:38 am |
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Surfj9009,
First let me say what an awesome job putting this together. It looks really professional and manages to cram a great deal of information into a pretty small space.
I did find one minor typo when reading through it though, on the second page under RCW 9.41.300 (2)(a) the word abridged should be abridge.
I also have a question for you and anyone else on the board who has printed this. I have an HP Officejet K550 printer (inkjet) with a duplexer on it. When I try to print the pamphlet it cuts off the edges as the printable area seems to begin just less than 0.5 inch from each end. What printers have people used with success? If I allow Adobe reader to scale the page to printable area the folds do not appear in the correct place.
One more thing. I don't know if any other members have looked at this but my consumables cost for printing these in color would be in the neighborhood of 8 to 13 cents a page (paper and ink). It might even be less depending upon the actual ink consumption. I am using the page estimates from HP and I don't know what assumptions they make. If this could be made to print correctly on an inkjet like mine it would not be particularly expensive to print large numbers and handing them out at gunshows and stores would be pretty easy.
Thanks again for your hard work.
Steve
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Trigger Dr
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 03:32 pm |
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I am printing them on a Lexmark X1185 from my computer. I have not figured cost yet as I still do not know how many I can print before running out of ink. So far I have printed 75. Paper is free, as office depot used to give a ream of paper for an empty ink cartridge, and I really took advantage of that program.
I print one side, turn the paper over and print the other side. The folds do not line up exactly, but close enough to still work.
jim
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Mainsail
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 04:11 pm |
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I tried it on the mighty HP 5550 Color LaserJet in the office and it prints out fine with one exception, the reverse page is upside-down. Something is whacked.
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2nd_to_one
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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Gentlemen
Thank you for the replies.
Mainsail,
Your printer driver should have an option to "flip on long edge" or something to this effect. This controls whether the pages are printed so that they are readable in a horizontal or vertical flip book form. Try changing this setting and your problem should go away. Note that the setting will be different for landscape versus portait printing as well.
Hope this helps,
Steve
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joeroket
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 05:18 pm |
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You want to do a "flip on short edge" with this document.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 08:39 pm |
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I still can't seem to get it to print on my printer properly, but i got tired of messing with it so now I just go to Staples to get it printed.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 02:59 pm |
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Implemented the spelling fix that was found by 2nd_to_none.
Also tweaked a margin at #6 under "facts about carrying"
It is a good thing that we are still getting the bugs worked out on this. I do want it to be perfect. Thanks for all who have been patient. I would just get in the habit of coming back every once in a while to check for a new file. I will continue to post the changes made in the first post of this thread as they happen. i bet your all thinking it's too bad I didn't get it perfect the first time huh?
Well, that's just not how things usually work for me. LOL.
I don't see much more to fix on it though, but even little typos should be fixed, so if you find them, post here and I will continue tofix them.
You never know where these things will end up, so keep up the feedback. i do appreciate it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 01:19 am |
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| I just want to commend you for a great job! I printed this last night on extra heavy weight imaging paper and it looks fantastic! I gave a couple copies to my son and to a co-worker and told them to share with pro-gun friends.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 08:01 am |
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Bump. New file up. Read the first post!!
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Ajetpilot
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 01:12 pm |
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| Very nice! The blue printing on selected passages makes it quick and easy to find the most important items. The highlighting looks very professional. Outstanding!
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surfj9009
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 08:57 pm |
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Thanks. I like the blue too. I think it looks the sharpest out of all the colors I tried.
One thing I still want to try to do is this:
You know on the Thomas Jefferson image how it is square? I am hoping to get my graphics design buddy to modify that picture so that it will only print the oval part. I suck at picture editing, so I am going to leave that to him when he can get to it.
The first 5000 run of printing will be submitted after we reach 5000 and I get that image edited. I dont want to print it on nice paper in color and have those corners on the picture. It works fine for now, you know, but it is something that can be fixed.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 12:36 am |
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| Fixed a tiny typo found by pssthpok.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 04:52 am |
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Just FYI for everybody. I sent an email to the Secretary of State's office with regards to filing for approval to use the official state seal. I have no idea what the filing fee will be, or if it is even worth it, but since it is for educational purposes only and not for profit, we should have a decent shot at being able to use it. Will let you all know what I come up with. I sent them a copy of it how it is now, and a copy of one with the state image replaced by the Washington flag.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 04:38 pm |
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surfj9009 wrote: Thanks shooter. I don't know why that keeps slipping by me. Although the change was very slight, it is an important part of the text.
surfj, I need to point out you never did fix Fact 2.) as I had pointed out in my response on page 1.
It needs to read:
"...in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another person or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons." -RCW 9.41.270
That last part is VERY important and has been a point of contention for OC'ers for a very long time. It's not sufficient that someone be alarmed, it must warrant alarm for the safety of others. That simple addition makes the difference between being able to haul in an OC'er for breaking the law and just harrassing them because they're doing nothing illegal.
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Mainsail
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 05:00 pm |
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just_a_car wrote: surfj9009 wrote: Thanks shooter. I don't know why that keeps slipping by me. Although the change was very slight, it is an important part of the text.
surfj, I need to point out you never did fix Fact 2.) as I had pointed out in my response on page 1.
It needs to read:
"...in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another person or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons." -RCW 9.41.270
That last part is VERY important and has been a point of contention for OC'ers for a very long time. It's not sufficient that someone be alarmed, it must warrant alarm for the safety of others. That simple addition makes the difference between being able to haul in an OC'er for breaking the law and just harrassing them because they're doing nothing illegal.
Agree. That's huge.
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 05:13 pm |
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Mainsail wrote: just_a_car wrote: surfj9009 wrote: Thanks shooter. I don't know why that keeps slipping by me. Although the change was very slight, it is an important part of the text.
surfj, I need to point out you never did fix Fact 2.) as I had pointed out in my response on page 1.
It needs to read:
"...in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another person or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons." -RCW 9.41.270
That last part is VERY important and has been a point of contention for OC'ers for a very long time. It's not sufficient that someone be alarmed, it must warrant alarm for the safety of others. That simple addition makes the difference between being able to haul in an OC'er for breaking the law and just harrassing them because they're doing nothing illegal.
Agree. That's huge.
I fixed it. I think I did actually fix that part before. When I started adding more color I had to revert to an older file that must not have been updated to reflect that. i may have overlooked it again though too, not sure. But it is huge, and I'm glad you brought it up. This file will probably be sent out for it's first run of 5000 in the next 2 weeks so all the scrutiny you guys can provide is greatly appreciated. Please feel free to proofread it a few times and let me know about anything else you find that should be corrected.
This thing has gone through so many revisions since I first posted it, that I never should have titled the thread with the word "done" in it.
When I searched for "washington gun rights" last night, this thread came up as #3. Yeahhh!!! So I changed the file name to show "free" in it and hopefully that might bring us a few more visits/downloads. I dunno, but maybe.
Last edited on Thu Mar 6th, 2008 05:16 pm by surfj9009
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 05:21 pm |
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If anybody has suggestions as to where else I should add some more color, underlining, highlighting, and visual accents anywhere please feel free to make your suggestions. While I think it looks pretty good now, I am still open to suggestions as far as the visual aspects go too because if we are going to go in on printing a large number of these, we all should get to voice our opinion of the finished product and what we want to see in it.
Thanks again for all the help everybody.
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t3rmin
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 01:52 am |
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| I can't seem to find the download link. Is it supposed to be in the first post?
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