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heresolong
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 04:18 pm |
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Any chance that in a future iteration you could add little fold marks? That would make it much easier to consistently fold them nicely.
Thanks.
Edit: Never mind. Just printed out the latest version and there they are, large as life. Fold marks. Thanks.
Last edited on Thu Jul 10th, 2008 04:34 pm by heresolong
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surfj9009
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 03:19 am |
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Bumping this for the new folks here and to keep it higher on Google when the term "Washington Gun Rights" is searched. 
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Bookman
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 09:08 am |
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Surf, I've only been on here for a couple of weeks now and finally found this thread. I want to thank you for all of the hard work you put into this. It looks great and is probably the single, most useful bit of work I've seen on any forum, including the cookbook I compiled for a different site.
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Gene Beasley
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 09:59 am |
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Ah, perfect timing. Until I hear back from Jim675, I have the box of pamphlets. I will go out of my way to meet up with anyone who wants some. They are $5 per 100. They are professionally printed on sturdy glossy stock very, very nice. I agree, kudo's to surf for all the work on this and to Jim who picked up distributing this 2nd run. I think they are well worth it.
PM me or send me an email. Depending on the day I can do south Seattle and south as far as say Ft. Lewis area. I would have considered south Kitsap, but not paying the toll. If outside that area, PM me anyway. I'll be on vacation next week (woot!) and can't really afford to actually stay anywhere, so the wife and I are planning some day trips. Tell me about your local attraction and it might work out. Always up for coffee as well.
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BlaineG
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 07:13 pm |
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| Thanks for your work on this.....very helpful, and educational.
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Ajetpilot
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 11:49 pm |
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Gene Beasley wrote:
PM me or send me an email. Depending on the day I can do south Seattle and south as far as say Ft. Lewis area. I would have considered south Kitsap, but not paying the toll.
PM sent. I can pick up all for Kitsap County and distribute here or at the Mason County picnic. Let me know.
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Ajetpilot
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:27 am |
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| Okay, I've got all the pamphlets that have been ordered by those who live on the Kitsap Peninsula thanks to Gene Beasley who dropped them off at my house tonight. I'll be bringing them to the Mason County picnic for distribution. I also have some extras for anyone who failed to order but would like some. Come & get 'em! Last edited on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:29 am by Ajetpilot
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DEROS72
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 06:11 am |
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| Outstanding job getting that together.Latley I at my last art show I past out more pamplets than I sold art.Doing the best I can to get the message out.It fits perfectly with my military ,pro American art work.
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Ajetpilot
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 07:22 pm |
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I sold 500 pamphlets at the Mason County picnic, and I still have several hundred left. If you live on the peninsula side of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, and you have not received pamphlets that ordered, PM me and we can make arrangements to get them to you. Likewise, if you didn't order any and would like to get some, let me know. When I run out, I won't be getting any more. If you live elsewhere, contact Jim675 .
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trevorthebusdriver
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 03:58 am |
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| PMd jim675, got no reply. Will anyone have some at the Seattle dinner on Saturday?
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QuintinB
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 10:09 am |
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| Question: Am i right in understanding that ANYONE convicted of domestic violence CANNOT openly carry a gun?
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sirpuma
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 03:46 am |
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trevorthebusdriver wrote: PMd jim675, got no reply. Will anyone have some at the Seattle dinner on Saturday?
I will have some color copies on plain paper folded. I have 10 for myself and just printed up another 20 
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Dave Workman
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 02:15 am |
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QuintinB wrote:
Question: Am i right in understanding that ANYONE convicted of domestic violence CANNOT openly carry a gun?
If you have a DV conviction, you can't even have a gun. Period.
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Lumpia is so sarap!!!
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 10:55 pm |
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| Thank you, it'll come in handy on my trip to WA next month!
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Enoch Root
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Posted: Fri Nov 28th, 2008 09:16 pm |
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Thank you very much for this.
It's time we the people defend our rights, across the board. The first step in that direction is a clear and cognizant understanding of what they are.
I have spoken to a retired LEO from another state who told me he would never apply for a CCP, CWP, or CPL. His reason stated: This is an abrogation of your constitutional right to Keep and BEAR arms.
Your rights, once abrogated, can never be reclaimed.
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Gene Beasley
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 11:37 am |
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Enoch Root wrote: I have spoken to a retired LEO from another state who told me he would never apply for a CCP, CWP, or CPL. His reason stated: This is an abrogation of your constitutional right to Keep and BEAR arms.
Your rights, once abrogated, can never be reclaimed.
Welcome to the board.
I agree, to a certain extent, with the sentiment. I think the problem is that we have corporately gone along with the abrogation. Individually abstaining will neither change it nor make your life easier. I would not choose to comply with our state's ridiculous requirements for carry in a motor vehicle without a CPL. If you really want to get your dander up over abrogated rights, just look at the plethora of infringements from federal all the way down to local (such as Portland). But hey, it's easy to preach to the choir.
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Dave Workman
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Posted: Tue Feb 10th, 2009 02:53 pm |
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Enoch Root wrote: Thank you very much for this.
It's time we the people defend our rights, across the board. The first step in that direction is a clear and cognizant understanding of what they are.
I have spoken to a retired LEO from another state who told me he would never apply for a CCP, CWP, or CPL. His reason stated: This is an abrogation of your constitutional right to Keep and BEAR arms.
Your rights, once abrogated, can never be reclaimed.
Your pal is not terribly bright, particularly for a retired cop. Even Mas Ayoob has written about how foolish this philosophy is, considering today's political environment. Perhaps being a retired cop, this guy figures he will skate on any gun beef, and maybe that would work in his state.
To paraphrase: Your gun rights, once lost, can never be reclaimed.
I don't particularly care for concealed carry "permits" or "licenses," but I REALLY don't care for jail food, dumbass attorneys who don't understand firearms law and will encourage you to plea bargain, or judges who are sticklers for the "letter of the law" when dealing with gun offenses, even misdemeanors.
We have a system, it's not the best, but it is a lot better than most other states. There is no training requirement. A CPL enables same-day delivery of a newly purchased handgun, you are not required to immediately inform an LEO upon contact that you are packing, and a CPL flag does not automatically pop up when somebody runs your name on a traffic stop. A CPL is good for 5 years, we are one of the original "shall issue" states.
http://www.danddgunleather.com/pages/washington_gun_rights.htm
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Enoch Root
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Posted: Sat Feb 28th, 2009 04:28 pm |
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Dave,
I'm a bit confused by your stance.
On one hand you're posting on this OPEN CARRY fourm, yet you seem to feel everyone who carries a pistol needs a CPL. The law in our state does not require me to acquire one, and therefore I will not. I've OCed for several months now and have never had even one hassle with the public or the police.
As for my pal, he was once honored with an award by President Ronald Reagan for being this nation's TOP COP for the year.
To show you what kind of man he is, please read this:
Biteme wrote:
http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/posting.php?mode=edit&f=1&p=45382
I know that this article deals with Wisconsin exclusively however it follows my long time preaching that guns will not be illegal but we will all in one way or another become criminals or felons.
Last year I had an encounter with a DNR Warden while deer hunting on public land. This man had zero identification and was driving a really tricked out Silverado and wearing a plastigun glock .40 cal on his hip.
This guy approached me and demanded my rifle (which was rare cuz I'm a .44 mag guy) without identifying himself at all. And I did also possess the .44 mag in a holster (and a .38 in my sleeve hmm hmmm).
I of course said NO!! And I followed with if you reach for that weapon your carrying I will kill you! "what do you want" I asked. He responded "your firearms". I responded "apparently this is an attempted armed robbery and I will defend myself at all costs" he responded once again "give me your firearms". I responded "OK, barrel first" I leveled the rifle at his chest and took it off safety and stated "you have three choices, identify yourself as law enforcement, turn and leave or drop from a gunshot wound to your chest" "don't test me because at this point I am still considering this an armed robbery".
He slowly removed his hat and pointed to a dirty little bit of printing that said WDNR. I responded with that is not identification what does Wood Duck Nude Racing have to do with identifying you? At this point this clown still had not ever said that he was law enforcement nor had any "official" markings or ID been shown.
After about 30 seconds of stare down he finally broke down and said that he was a Warden. At that point I said prove it and till you do this rifle will remain in it's current status!
Well he slowly produced a badge. I followed that with "now the picture ID". That got him really pissed but he produced it and I said fine. Put the safety back on lowered the weapon and asked "how may I be of service sir?"
He again demanded my firearms and I said NO. Not gonna happen you have already displayed marginal criminal intent and obfuscation so unless you need assistance or have a VALID charge against me our contact is finished.
He put his hand on the sidearm and demanded my weapons again. I stated hey dumbass you are a slow learner. You are violating the constitutional rights of a retired police officer and I've had enough of your @#$%!! Justify your contact much less your constitutional violations or leave me alone.
He began to apologize profusely and was going for his truck in a hurry and I stopped him and demanded his business card. He smiled and reluctently handed me his card and sped away.
There were roughly 15 witnesses to this that I did not know. I got business cards and contact info from 10 of them...Just in case.
Next day different area:
My hunting partner and I were sitting in his truck having some coffee and a sandwhich. What do I see sneaking up from behind us with weapons drawn but this same dingbat and a snot nosed gay looking rookie.
I told my buddie to sit tight he had a shotgun at his head and not to move. I rolled down the window and simply stated asked "got a short memory there big guy" at a point where they believed they had not been detected. The guy physically startled jumped back screaming to his little barney fife buddy "get back, get back there is nothing here, get back".
As he got to my window I was laughing so hard I was about to choke. I asked if he was having a good day. He said yes "I am now going home good luck hunting."
OK. Long story but true. Now with this article below you will see why this is happening to just plain honest hunters in Wisconsin.
This contact was made simply because I use a motorhome for hunting so that my disabled friend has a warm place to be. Someone "reported us" for overnight camping. We arrived at the lot at 4:30 am that day.
Give me your weapons citizen
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Epilogue
I ran into this guy a few months ago at an LEO conference. We chatted a bit and before parting he said. " I retire next month. I learned more the day we met than I did during my whole career. Thank You" I said you are very welcome sir, I sure hope that the rookie learned something as well.
He replied "Yes, and thank you."
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I know that the uninformed average citizen would believe my actions were in fact criminal. But as an LEO I know that I had no authority under any law to accost a citizen without Identifying myself and make demands that are contrary to Constitutitonal rights.
This guy was simply fishing for a felon to create. Nothing more. For a game warden to be "afraid" of armed citizens while in the field hunting is just insane. These guys act like the firearm in the field while hunting is an unusual or suspicious act.
I was trained in the Western US. 30 years ago it was very different. In basic training we had a whole section on Lawful Contact and Arrest. It was hammered home really hard that if your contact was unlawful the subject had every constitutional right to resist arrest. I don't think they teach this truth anymore.
Instead they teach the untruth of "anything a cop demands is a lawful order" and this simply is not the truth. I know that stupid liberal judges have agreed with that lie but it truly isn't lawful.
I would not suggest that everyone go the length that I did because you better be right and you have to be committed follow through.
Please don't get the idea that I have contempt for law enforcement. I only have contempt for law enforcement that acts unlawfully and far outside the bounds of their authority, or, that of the constitutional law. I do and will stand my ground. I will be disarmed by no one. Having committed no crime and having not made any threat of use in an unlawful way I am under no obligation to surrender any arms without cause to anyone. I feel that same now as I did on the street as I worked with the public. Guns on hips and rifles in racks of pickups were just as common as cell phones today. Part of life, just a tool.
Problem is now that these LEO are well trained in gay rights and uninformed as to constitutional rights.
"A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost"
And a right, once abrogated, is forever lost.
Last edited on Sat Feb 28th, 2009 04:38 pm by Enoch Root
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Jim675
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Posted: Sat Feb 28th, 2009 04:56 pm |
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Why'd this guy retire, surely he has another 10 years in him?
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Dave Workman
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Posted: Sat Feb 28th, 2009 05:34 pm |
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Enoch Root wrote:
Dave,
I'm a bit confused by your stance.
On one hand you're posting on this OPEN CARRY fourm, yet you seem to feel everyone who carries a pistol needs a CPL.
You need to re-read my post. Carefully. It should remove any confusion. 
I always encourage people to get a CPL, just to have the damn thing. I'd much rather not have such a requirement for concealed carry, but since that's the law, I'll follow it. Someone who doesn't is simply asking for trouble that he doesn't need.
This pal of yours, the retired copper in another state, how can he know that one day he will not run afoul of some local statute or ordinance where he is?
Ayoob, I will submit, has a great deal more experience in the way the laws work, and the system works, than anybody I ever ran across. He's saved people from jail and seen others go there, perhaps tragically.
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