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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 09:45 am |
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See my next post down for an inkjet version formatted by 2nd_to_one for proper printing on HP and some other printers. See which one works best for you.
Go here for a discussion about distribution of this pamphlet:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=8552&forum_id=55&jump_to=138496#p138496
Attachment: Free Washington Gun Rights Pamphlet.pdf (Downloaded 3432 times) Last edited on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 11:30 pm by surfj9009
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ScorpioMk
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 12:37 pm |
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Only thing I have to say right now from a quick glance is that we in washington have CPL's (Concealed Pistol License) not a CWP. After it gets looked over by everyone else that see's something to change its definatly something I'll print and keep with me at all times.
Marcus
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 03:43 pm |
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Excellent!! That looks like something that will be really handy to have. 
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joeroket
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 05:57 pm |
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Agent 47 wrote: Excellent!! That looks like something that will be really handy to have.
I agree 100%. It looks very well thought out and assembled.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 09:59 pm |
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Edited to reflect ScorpioMk's proofreading. Thanks a ton. The CWP wording was actually cut and pasted from a training bulletin!!!!
ScorpioMk wrote: Only thing I have to say right now from a quick glance is that we in washington have CPL's (Concealed Pistol License) not a CWP. After it gets looked over by everyone else that see's something to change its definatly something I'll print and keep with me at all times.
Marcus
Attachment: Washington Gun Rights_Inkjet.pdf (Downloaded 656 times) Last edited on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 11:30 pm by surfj9009
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G27
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 10:36 pm |
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| That's beautiful. Good job. +1000 for sure.
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surfj9009
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:34 am |
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Ok everybody. My buddy who is a graphics design artist helped me get the format down. It should print out just fine now. I had to eliminate a few things to get it properly printable.
The download link has been updated with the new file. So you may wish to replace your previous download with this one. I think it's pretty much as refined as I can get it.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:54 am |
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That pamphlet looks great! I like both quotes as-is.
Well, since you asked for it, I'll put on my spelling/grammar-freak hat that I normally take off when I log onto the internet.
- Fact 1 should read "...carrying a weapon onto primary or secondary school grounds or other prohibited...", not necessarily italicizing the words. Places of higher education do not have state law restricting firearms carry and that's what a lot of discussion has been about on the forum as of late.
- In Fact 2, you may want to bold the quote (and make it a quote) to emphasize the 'and' over the perceived 'or', as such: "...in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another person or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons." Please note that it is not "the safety of persons", it's "other persons"... so if you look like you might hurt yourself with your firearm or other weapon, but not hurt other persons, then you're not breaking the law.
- The last sentence of Fact 2 should read: "If there is a dispute, for example, and..." for the grammar of the commas.
- Fact 3 should read "Unlawful carrying without a Concealed Pistol License (CPL) occurs..." as you have already stated that carrying openly without any kind of permit is legal.
- The last sentence of Fact 3 should probably read "A person may carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle only if they have a valid CPL." This is because you do not state that those without a CPL may not have a loaded firearm in the vehicle. You may also want to add this part: "Those without a valid CPL may carry a firearm in a vehicle only if the firearm is unloaded and in a secure wrapper or opaque case. There is no restriction regarding distance from the driver or occupants."
- Fact 5 needs to read "...an area designated as "No Minors allowed" by the Washington Liquor Control Board."
- First bullet of Places Off-limits While Carring should read "...where local authorities must provide a lock box or a designated official..." as it is required by law that they do so. If they do not, they are commiting a crime. Also, remove the end-parenthesis at the end of the sentence.
I think that pretty much covers the most glaring things... if I notice anything else, I'll let you know.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 01:47 am |
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New PDF posted implementing all of just a car's suggestions with the exception of the following.
just_a_car wrote: - There is no restriction regarding distance from the driver or occupants."
Due to the amount of information in the pamphlet, there is very little room for too many changes.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 02:12 am |
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Cool. I can understand not including that... since our right to open carry is due to not having a law against it. Thus, if there's no law against having a firearm too close to you while carried "peacably", then it's not illegal.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 05:13 am |
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You have a numbering problem in the RCW 9.41.300 section.
The paragraph numbered (2) ("These areas do not include...") is not (2), it's a further paragraph under (1). (2) should be the paragraph beginning "Cities, Towns, Counties..." and the rest of the numbers should be adjusted to match.
Otherwise, fabulous work!
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 05:39 am |
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kparker wrote: You have a numbering problem in the RCW 9.41.300 section.
The paragraph numbered (2) ("These areas do not include...") is not (2), it's a further paragraph under (1). (2) should be the paragraph beginning "Cities, Towns, Counties..." and the rest of the numbers should be adjusted to match.
Otherwise, fabulous work!
Thanks for pointing that one out. Fixed it. New PDF in original post, yet again.
That was from all the formatting adjustments I've had to make. Thanks for catching it!!!
Keep up the info guys. I've been looking at this thing so long that I keep missing little stuff like that and I'm so tired of looking at it that I need to stop reading it.
I sure am glad I started it though. Maybe after I get it perfect it can be posted on the training bulletins page.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 05:57 am |
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How far into grammatical and punctuation niceties do you want to go?
If the answer is, "as far as anyone can find and comment on", then let me further add that Facts About Lawfully Carrying section has a couple of minor items:
A. The examples in 1.) and 2.) are punctuated and formatted as if they were full sentences, but are in fact not. Given the space constraints you have, it's probably better to just make them into dependent clauses, e.g.
This means a person may carry a firearm in an exposed holster without any kind of permit unless there is something that makes is specifically illegal. For example carrying a weapon onto primary or secondary school grounds or other prohibited places, or carrying a weapon by most felons or anyont convicted of a domestic violence crime.
could become
This means a person may carry a firearm in an exposed holster without any kind of permit unless there is something that makes is specifically illegal (for example, carrying a weapon onto primary or secondary school grounds or other prohibited places, or carrying a weapon by most felons or anyone convicted of a domestic violence crime.)
and similarly for the example in 2.)
B. In the last sentence of 2), there's a space before the comma following 'example', instead of after the comma.
C. In the interests of space, if you took out most of the space before and after the bullets under Licensing and Places Off-Limits, the last two bullet items would probably fit on one line each, giving you a bit more vertical space in that column.
D. Also regarding space, if you turned hyphenation on, it might help fill up the space better (notably 'circumstances' in #2 would do so.)
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 06:11 am |
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kparker, thank you for your input. I want it to be perfect. You never know who is going to get their hands on this thing one day. I sent you a PM
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 06:29 am |
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Wow!!! Great work. Thank you very much.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 07:41 am |
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kparker wrote: How far into grammatical and punctuation niceties do you want to go?
If the answer is, "as far as anyone can find and comment on", then let me further add that Facts About Lawfully Carrying section has a couple of minor items:
A. The examples in 1.) and 2.) are punctuated and formatted as if they were full sentences, but are in fact not. Given the space constraints you have, it's probably better to just make them into dependent clauses, e.g.
This means a person may carry a firearm in an exposed holster without any kind of permit unless there is something that makes is specifically illegal. For example carrying a weapon onto primary or secondary school grounds or other prohibited places, or carrying a weapon by most felons or anyont convicted of a domestic violence crime.
could become
This means a person may carry a firearm in an exposed holster without any kind of permit unless there is something that makes is specifically illegal (for example, carrying a weapon onto primary or secondary school grounds or other prohibited places, or carrying a weapon by most felons or anyone convicted of a domestic violence crime.)
and similarly for the example in 2.)
B. In the last sentence of 2), there's a space before the comma following 'example', instead of after the comma.
C. In the interests of space, if you took out most of the space before and after the bullets under Licensing and Places Off-Limits, the last two bullet items would probably fit on one line each, giving you a bit more vertical space in that column.
D. Also regarding space, if you turned hyphenation on, it might help fill up the space better (notably 'circumstances' in #2 would do so.)
All of the changes above were made except for the hyphenation thing, still trying to get my head around that. New PDF in the first post, yet again!
Be patient guys. One day it will be perfect and we can share it with everyone!!!
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John Hardin
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 06:12 pm |
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surfj9009 wrote: Due to the amount of information in the pamphlet, there is very little room for too many changes.
If you're tight on space, consider dropping the images. They add no useful content. You could also format it for legal size paper - I've considered doing that for my pamphlets to gain some more space for information.
http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/firearms_laws_washington.pdf
http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/open_carry_training_bulletins_washington.pdf
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 06:33 pm |
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John Hardin wrote: surfj9009 wrote: Due to the amount of information in the pamphlet, there is very little room for too many changes.
If you're tight on space, consider dropping the images. They add no useful content. I like the images. Gives you the impression of something interesting that you need to read, rather than just a piece of paper full of uninteresting facts.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 09:57 pm |
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heresolong wrote:
I like the images. Gives you the impression of something interesting that you need to read, rather than just a piece of paper full of uninteresting facts.
I like the images too. to me it is a little more inviting to read.
I like the training bulletins John Hardin did in that format, but I carry that just as a reference for me. I am designing this pamplet with the intention of wide distribution and so I want it to be as professional as possible.
Formatting it for legal paper may be worth looking at though.
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just_a_car
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 11:44 pm |
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+1 to keeping the images!
That's something I'd carry many copies of to hand out to people.
I carry the other documents for my own reference also.
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