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Mike
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Posted: Sun Jun 7th, 2009 11:35 pm |
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bigdaddy1 wrote: Do on-line petitions count officially?
Officially for what? A petition is simply a bill of desires.
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bigdaddy1
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 12:08 am |
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Taken from Snopes;
Claim: Signing and circulating on line petitions is an effective way of remedying important issues.
Status: False
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
Even written petitions have little value unless the vast majority of the intended person/persons constituents have signed. I have found out recently due to my efforts for a recall campaign against Gov. Doyle that there are some pretty stringent rules governing petitions.
From what I can determine an on line petition is little more than a "feel good" measure. If you want it to really count it would have to be a written petition with REAL signatures. Even then it wont carry much weight with the politicians unless there is a majority pull of voters.
I guess thats what I mean if it counts.
Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 12:09 am by bigdaddy1
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Sajuuk
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 02:41 am |
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I sure hope they remove the restrictions soon. I'm getting scared to even walk from my car to my house.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/47145492.html
This happened ON MY BLOCK! But I have can't even be armed because there are schools EVERYWHERE around here and my means of defense is in the trunk, unloaded!
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Mike
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 03:11 am |
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bigdaddy1 wrote: From what I can determine an on line petition is little more than a "feel good" measure. If you want it to really count it would have to be a written petition with REAL signatures. Even then it wont carry much weight with the politicians unless there is a majority pull of voters.
I guess thats what I mean if it counts.
Online petitions gather publicty and email addresses to be deployed later - and majorities of voters on any one uissue never exist nor are they material.
Written petitions are unwieldy and less visible and not suited for our purposes.
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Lammie
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 03:13 am |
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Found this on Snopes FAQ.
Q: How do I know the information you've presented is accurate?
A: We don't expect anyone to accept us as the ultimate authority on any topic.
In regards to Snopes long opinion on petitions, the statement below is probably the most important.
"At best, they're seen as an indication of the public's will, no more. "
That in itself may be enough, especially if the petition is directed toward politicians. Regardless our opinions of politicians the one thing they do pay attention to is the concerns of their constituents. They are well aware that the only way they can keep thier job is to have constituents that are satisfied with thier performance. Sometimes they may not act like it but they are concerned. Petitions may have little legal significance, unless they are freeman petitions, but they do have influence.
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Lammie
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 03:13 am |
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| Duplicate post deleted. Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 03:15 am by Lammie
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Mike
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 03:22 am |
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bigdaddy1 wrote: Taken from Snopes;
Claim: Signing and circulating on line petitions is an effective way of remedying important issues.
Status: False
I guess you never heard of the online "anti-abuser fees" petition in virginia a couple of years ago - raised such a ruckus that the legislature repealed the darn things unanimously as their first act the next time they met. Google it up.
The key is to keep pushing the petition - once the press puts in online, it will get more signatures. Has everybody entered it on their blogs, Twitter and facebook yet? if not, get to work.
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bigdaddy1
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 03:54 am |
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| Oh I fully intend on continuing the push. If it just lets our gubment officials know that there are MANY that feel a certain way about something it will have merit. I am just wondering of a more official written petition would have more of an effect.
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protias
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Posted: Tue Jun 9th, 2009 07:58 pm |
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Just checked again and there are 1,123 signatures.
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 09:43 pm |
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Even written petitions have little value
About half of the people who have signed the on-line petition have made their email address visible to me (as the petition creator) as such, I have well over 500 email addresses that I can contact if there was ever a time when we need to take decisive action.
The more people who sign the petition, the more that I can contact if there came a time when we needed to quickly and massively get the word out.
Not withstanding public officials would be interested in knowing that X number of people support a cause.
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bigdaddy1
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 02:28 am |
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| I'm all for it, keep us informed as to any additional action we may need.
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polekat
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Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 09:17 pm |
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| The petition web page is not available. I checked just now and late yesterday.
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Mike
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Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 09:41 pm |
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polekat wrote: The petition web page is not available. I checked just now and late yesterday.
Yeah, I hope they have not shut down the domain.
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protias
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 12:20 am |
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polekat wrote: The petition web page is not available. I checked just now and late yesterday.
Don't worry: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/petitiononline.com
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 05:42 am |
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Mike wrote: polekat wrote: The petition web page is not available. I checked just now and late yesterday.
Yeah, I hope they have not shut down the domain. What if they did? Are all of the signatures lost?
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Mike
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 02:23 pm |
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J.Gleason wrote: Mike wrote: polekat wrote: The petition web page is not available. I checked just now and late yesterday.
Yeah, I hope they have not shut down the domain. What if they did? Are all of the signatures lost?
Nik has the emails from those who allowed him to see their emails. Hopefully this is just a ghlitch - if not, i'm sure some other service will pop up and we will start again.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 02:37 pm |
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I think this is something we should start right away. Just in case.
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protias
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 02:43 am |
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I just checked the site and it is back up with 1,151 signatures.
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Glock34
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Posted: Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 05:20 pm |
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| Great petition !!!!! , It's up to 1360's now Last edited on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 05:21 pm by Glock34
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timmer84
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Posted: Fri Aug 28th, 2009 08:45 pm |
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Hello all!
I am new to the board and just signed this petition. I am new to the OC topic, and have not done so in public except when hunting. I am an active member of the armed forces, and am curious about the local laws. Gonna be doing plenty of research about OC, but I think I will not be able to do it even in my own neighborhood due to the proximity of a school...
timmer 
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