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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 11:53 pm |
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I open carried while grocery shopping at the Pick n Save HWY 100 and Cleveland in West Allis from 5:15 pm til 5:45 today (friday)
The store was relatively busy. Many people saw the firearm. No one made a comment, no one ran for the doors, there was no disturbance, "nothing happened" as expected.
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Nutczak
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 03:52 am |
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WOW! O-C in West Allis on a Friday evening, near Hwy 100, Do you make a clunking noise from your shorts when you walk? And do those brass balls get cold in the winter?
remembering the W-A police chiefs comments about arresting anyone carrying after Brads charges got dismissed, You are a braver man than I am!
I could not afford loss of a firearm or a defense attorney right now, (I actually would qualify for a public defender right now) So that is why I am a little shy about a bold move like that.
Congrats!
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1FASTC4
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 04:26 am |
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I really feel bad for you guys. OC down here in AZ is just part of the landscape. I am moving to the Northwoods in a couple of years. I hope a less liberal govt is in place there before I arrive.
I have a house on White Sand Lake up there. I plan on OC'ing in the Minocqua Woodruff area this summer. If I get stopped, I wonder how they'll take to an AZ resident with a gun.
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 06:52 am |
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remembering the W-A police chiefs comments about arresting anyone carrying after Brads charges got dismissed
Yup. I thought about them as I clicked my 38 Special into its retention holster in the parking lot.
Speaking in general (this isn't directed at you Nutzcak)
I refuse to be ruled by fear. Police chiefs don't make law. They are not elected.
If we are going to let a police chief run his mouth and scare us into compliance with HIS wishes, we have NO rights. We only have behaviors that the king allows us to have at this given moment.
I disagree.
We knew what our rights were. Judges acknowledged that TWICE without any direction from the attorney general. THEN we GOT direction from the attorney general. And we have further reason to believe in our rights.
If we are going to let ourselves be intimidated by rogue police chiefs who know they can throw a couple anti-rights soundbytes over the airwaves and command compliance, then we don't need this forum and we don't need legislators, we don't need courts, and we don't need constitutions.
If we are going to wait to Open Carry until the police chief of every respective jurisdiction in Wisconsin sends us a christmas card with their blessing to OC at will, we will be waiting a long time.
Freedom need not wait. Rights need not permission from police chiefs. Why we are writing letters to police chiefs is BEYOND me. the opportunity to secure our rights is right in front of our faces. We could blame many people before us for the inablity to exercise our rights up until now. But if we choose not to exercise our rights now, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Last edited on Sat May 2nd, 2009 01:25 pm by hugh jarmis
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Nutczak
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 03:47 pm |
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Hugh, I agree with you fully. I am scared to O-C in some places becuase of the threats by the chiefs and past experiences in both the city you live in, West Allis, and the other small communities in thsat area with their officers that are well known for the abusive procedures the seem to love to use.
I have always questioned and challenged authority, it is just my nature.
And I have usually came out victorious in court from the incidents I was accused of.
I just cannot afford an incarceration or physical confrontation by police right now. Especially after being away from that area for 24 years, I am sure any contacts I did have are all retired by now. I have some stories about the NBPD that would raise an eyebrow or two, and I have dealt with WAPD on several occasions back when Hwy-100 was my weekend hangout area. I graduated from NB Eisenhower in 83
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 07:00 pm |
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In a small way I'm almost hoping to get stopped by the police one of these days just to be able to demonstrate (for myself and others) what happens when people OC (post van hollen memo) and do get stopped.
But I have to be honest. Having OC'd for long periods of time now in many stores/places and knowing all other others doing the same. I think the public is well aware its legal now and I just don't think people are even going to calling the cops.
Thats why I think every time we open carry, we are normalizing dozens, perhaps hundreds of people to seeing a firearm. Just yesterday alone, had to be 30 people saw the firearm. Hope they went home and said to their family members "hey, saw someone with a gun in the store today... nothing happend"
On any given day hundreds of people being "educated by experience". I think this will help not ONLY Open Carry, but gun rights in general. When people see that guns don't fall out of holsters "just go off" and killing little babies in strollers, minds get changed. Ignorance gets obliterated.
When people see that accessible firearms don't lead to shootouts at the corner or gun battles in the aisle of stores, we win.
Last edited on Sat May 2nd, 2009 07:02 pm by hugh jarmis
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smithman
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 07:48 pm |
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hugh jarmis wrote: In a small way I'm almost hoping to get stopped by the police one of these days just to be able to demonstrate (for myself and others) what happens when people OC (post van hollen memo) and do get stopped.
But I have to be honest. Having OC'd for long periods of time now in many stores/places and knowing all other others doing the same. I think the public is well aware its legal now and I just don't think people are even going to calling the cops.
Agreed. Due to the large amount of media coverage, most of the public is aware of OC even though they may not personally agree with it. I think awareness leads to acceptance the more that the public sees us OC. It is time to leave the timidness at the door and begin regular OC. Hugh and I have been OCing for two weeks straight in Waukesha and Milwaukee counties and have not had any problems whatsoever. There are many other people who are taking up the cause of OF who do not contribute to this website specifically, I know several of them.
The risk of people calling the cops will always be there, however is much much lesss than before the media blitz two weeks ago. Probably 1/2 of the people who will recognize that you are OCing, own guns themselves and won't care. Of the other half, they will observe your behavior and see what they can make of you. Of that maybe 5% would consider calling the cops but they will probably have someone else with them who will convince them out of it. For instance, holding your wife's hand while walking into a store is a simple way to look normal to the public while carrying.
OCed at a Subway in Tosa recently. Everybody in there noticed I was packing but there were no people screaming for help or calling the cops.
Hugh I think your quote of "People who carry openly are showing that they have nothing to hide" on the news is a good one which clearly shows our mindset to the public, that they have nothing to fear.
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Mike
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Posted: Sun May 3rd, 2009 12:14 am |
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smithman wrote: Due to the large amount of media coverage, most of the public is aware of OC even though they may not personally agree with it. I think awareness leads to acceptance the more that the public sees us OC.
Actually my bet is we are just scratching the surface of the population in terms of educating them that OC is legal - that's why we need to run radio ads which will get us additional press coverage to reach all of Wisconsin.
John needs to update the LoriMeter as to contributions tonight and that shold show us well north of $500 but we need at least $1,400 to run an effective blast acorss multiple radio staions in greater Milwaukee - so please give today at least $10 - $25 - and if you can spare it, a C-Note or more would be awsome.
Giove now in a few seconds by credit card at http://www.opencarry.org/carryland.html
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Shotgun
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Posted: Sun May 3rd, 2009 04:41 am |
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It's kind of funny, but the big backlash to the AG's memo by the anti-gunners may have done far more to publicize and promote open carry in Wisconsin than if they had just swallowed and kept their mouths shut. The memo could easily have gone with little mention in the press had there not been the furor caused by people who weren't happy with it.
In a perverse sort of way, we ought to thank them. hahahaha
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smithman
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Posted: Sun May 3rd, 2009 02:11 pm |
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Shotgun wrote: It's kind of funny, but the big backlash to the AG's memo by the anti-gunners may have done far more to publicize and promote open carry in Wisconsin than if they had just swallowed and kept their mouths shut. The memo could easily have gone with little mention in the press had there not been the furor caused by people who weren't happy with it.
In a perverse sort of way, we ought to thank them. hahahaha
True..never considered that. Good food for thought.
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 02:24 am |
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Well, considering Mayor Barrett and Governor Doyle seemed to use "someone walking down Wisconsin Avenue with a gun" in their fear-tactic anti-freedom rants post-AG Van Hollen Memo.
Parabellum and I decided to go for a walk down Wisconsin Ave. in Downtown Milwaukee today. I provided documentation, Parabellum OC'd (oh and he also OC'd in a Walgreens in Milwaukee and a Pick n Save in Milwaukee.
I would like to publically say to Mayor Barrett and Governor Doyle that there was no disturbance. Parabellum spent about 30 minutes walking up and down a section of wisconsin avenue (couldn't go all the way to the lakefront, you clip a school zone.) Very uneventlful walk down Wisconsin ave and down the riverwalk. A good day for a stroll
I have video of the entire walk, but its going to take some time to upload to youtube. In the meantime, my good friend standing along Wisconsin Ave in Downtown Milwaukee.
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 02:27 am |
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| OC'ed at Home Depot in West Allis today. Hwy 100 and National. Spent about 1/2 hour in the store. Dozens of people saw the weapon. No reactions, and no incident. Even spent 5 minutes or so getting help from a store employee.
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Shotgun
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 02:32 am |
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Well done, both of you!
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Max
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 03:10 am |
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The tip of the spear.
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jefferson 4 prez
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 03:13 am |
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hugh jarmis wrote:
"I refuse to be ruled by fear. Police chiefs don't make law. They are not elected.
If we are going to let a police chief run his mouth and scare us into compliance with HIS wishes, we have NO rights. We only have behaviors that the king allows us to have at this given moment."
True that.
Last edited on Mon May 4th, 2009 03:15 am by jefferson 4 prez
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gila
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 03:24 am |
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| New member here. I have recently begun open carrying in West Allis. I live near 92nd & Greenfield and have been open carrying on my walks with my dogs and my wife. So far it has been a non-event. Considering this city's attitude to its rank and file citizens, it's been a pleasent surprise.
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smithman
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 03:45 am |
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BOOYA anti's. Take that. You can't stop us anymore. We will be secure in our persons wherever it is legal.
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BJA
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 04:00 am |
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HELL YEAH! Good job guys, dam I woulda went with ya! lol I too will hopefully report my public open carry experience in public soon!!
Ben
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 04:03 am |
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Gila, just be careful in your neighborhood. Watch the school zones REALLY close, you've got a number in your vacinity!
Well done!
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gila
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 04:56 am |
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| Yeah, you do have to be a bit careful of school zones. I stay a few blocks away from St. Aloysius and tend to walk towards St. Fair Park staying in the more residential areas. The dogs like it better and so do I. I also do not walk through Lafollette Park if carrying.
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