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eleuthera
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 12:40 am |
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Open carried into Pic and Save on Jackson in dt Miltown - no one really looked twice, security gave me a nod, couple of employees helped me when I messed up the auto-checkout. Business as usual...
Although I'm starting to think that it's only this smooth for me because I look like a cop when I have a collared shirt tucked in. Next time I'll dress like a bum...
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eleuthera
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 03:46 am |
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My assumption was correct - I open carried in jeans and a tucked-in tshirt today into pic and save, and after I paid and was walking toward the door, a security guy said "hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since pic and save is private property we're going to have a no-guns rule for everyone's safety."
I said ok, smiled and said goodbye to a group of employees on the way out. I would have liked to stay and talk with the guy and thank him for his knowledge of the law and respect for my rights, but I decided to play it extra careful and just say ok to avoid any cause for appearing argumentative.
Very polite, very cool dude that approached me tho.
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Shotgun
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 05:15 am |
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eleuthera wrote: a security guy said "hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since pic and save is private property we're going to have a no-guns rule for everyone's safety."
Apparently for everyone's safety but yours!
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bigdaddy1
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 12:44 pm |
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GOING TO???? There going to have a policy????
Sounds like crap to me. Unless I am mistaken Pick N Save doesnt OWN the property, so as for it being private property that may be the case but not THIER property. Semantics I know, but..........
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Nutczak
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 02:38 pm |
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And I take that security guards statement as. "hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since prick n slave is private property, we're going to have a no open-carry guns rule, That way we only allow criminals to carry their stolen guns concealed under a jacket into our store to rub us and shoot any unarmed customer that tries to intervene.
The store decided to hire a security guard, possibly due to it being a rough area, but will not allow law-abiding citizens the ability to exercise their rights and to protect themselves and their family while shopping there. We can scratch that business off my list to spend my money at.
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 03:47 pm |
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we really need an un-gun-friendly store thread. Stores that actually post signs or some kind of official documentation so we know its the stores official policy, not just a securitiy guard spouting off.
This would be important because as I (and hopefully others) write letters to these stores letting them know (professionally) that they are losing out on business from law-abiding citizens, I'd like to be able to point them to a thread where they can see that their anti-gun policy is known to hundreds if not thousands and its costing them business. Remember, the constitutional amendment documenting our RTKBA was passed OVERWHELMNIGLY. Even people who would never open carry support our right to do so and anti-gun attitudes by businesses will draw the ire of more than just those who wish to open carry.
Other ideas I have had. The ONLY thing that is going to matter to a business is the bottom line. If there is no financial detriment to banning guns from their store they will do it. If they can see that banning guns is costing them business. They will change there policy. Money completely talks in situations like these. As an example, pick n save. I spend $100 a week there. If they don't want my business thats $5,200 a year in sales they'll lose. In addition, with my frequent shopper card, they can verify how much money I spend there. It wouldn't take more than 10 or 15 people to sign onto a letter to document a BIG $ loss for them. That combined with the unknown for them of how many people would read a thread online showing their stores as "non-friendly to the law abiding" and not shop there. They'd change their policy in a heartbeat.
Other opportunities are if you see a store with a "no firearms sign" make a mental note of it, and if there are any 'big ticket items' you might potentially buy from there someday. (this would work best for locally owned stores) but as an example if you want to buy a flat screen TV for $2,000 but the store has a "no firearms" sign posted, write a letter to the store, let them know you are ready to purchase a TV but their store doesn't allow firearms and let them know you will be happy to purchase your TV there as soon as the sign comes down. With power of numbers this can be an even more powerful tool. If we have several people who want to purchase some electronics, we can leverage that in these situation also. IE, I call a store manager/owner and let him know that we will come in and buy X pieces of electronics on X day if their sign comes down. This will let these business owners know that WE are the kind of customers they want, and you'll be surprised how fast their 'rules' change when they'll make money cause of it.
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comp45acp
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 10:50 am |
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| I know that in some other states permit holders have made cards that state pretty much what Hugh has articulated. When they found signed businesses they would drop off a card to let the business know what they are missing out on. It worked in MN, there are almost no signs anymore-would probably work here also.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 02:17 pm |
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eleuthera wrote: hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since pic and save is private property we're going to have a no-guns rule for everyone's safety."
Boycott Pick -N- Save wooooohoooo!
Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2009 02:18 pm by J.Gleason
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Pointman
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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J.Gleason wrote: Boycott Pick -N- Save wooooohoooo!
Grow up.
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GJD
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 02:51 pm |
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| I try and avoid Pick N Save if I can. They called the cops on my OC'ing last year and I was detained for 45 minutes and released.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 02:56 pm |
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Hmmmm, Grow up?
How about this. My address is 15 Lehner St. chilton, Wisconsin.
Pleeeeaaaassseee come make me grow up as you put it.
Your on the wrong forum pal! Your looking for Iaman@#$%.org!
The fact of the matter is "Mr. Pointman" you are one of those egotistically rude and obnoxious people I mentioned in an earlier post.
You know a "Know it all", a wanna be lawyer.
You grow up! the fact is we should boycott places like Pick-n-Save when they allow some rent a cop to make policy for their store. That Mr. Pointman would get their attention!
Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2009 03:01 pm by J.Gleason
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skamp
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 03:01 pm |
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hmm.. i went to pick n save and nothing happened..
I was wearing a t-shirt and jeans also.. maybe its just the one?
of course the one i went to didnt have a security person around either..
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 03:38 pm |
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I know that in some other states permit holders have made cards that state pretty much what Hugh has articulated. When they found signed businesses they would drop off a card to let the business know what they are missing out on. It worked in MN, there are almost no signs anymore-would probably work here also.
Thats a great idea.
I try and avoid Pick N Save if I can. They called the cops on my OC'ing last year and I was detained for 45 minutes and released.
I try to be careful when I make judgements on retail outlets. I want to make sure that management (at least at the store level and most CERTAINLY at the corporate level is aware what is happening at their stores)
If I owned a retail business or a chain of retail businesses I would want my customers to let me know if EVEN the janitor treated them inappropriately. For all we know Roundy's corporate CEO "chairman bob" is pro-gun and would HATE to know that his stores are treating gun owners like you were treated GJD.
Now I don't know if the picknsave where you are is corporate owned, but a store that is a franchisee and licensee of the picknsave brand.... corporate would want to know about how a store with their brand name on it was treating their law abiding customers.
I've shopped at 3 picknsaves OC'ing and no problems at all. Not that I'm not concerned about your situation GJD, but I want to make sure that their policy is coming from the top, not a low-level store manager or worse a night clerk who saw a gun and freaked out.
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Pointman
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 04:01 pm |
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Gleason: Yes, grow up. Don't throw a tantrum because you don't get your way.
Boycotting a store before trying to solve the problem isn't helpful. Hugh took the time to explain in detail how to handle the situation and solve the problem.
Hugh has also approached this from a different, and better stance: Instead of treating adults who act like children as children, try to get them to think as adults. I simply don't have respect for people who refuse to act responsibly, and as Hugh pointed out, it would serve better if I took a different approach.
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 04:10 pm |
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Boycotting a store before trying to solve the problem isn't helpful
It VERY well may be helpful. Just not AS helpful or effective as doing a little homework first.
In either case, I don't think its hurtful.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 04:26 pm |
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Pointman wrote: Gleason: Yes, grow up. Don't throw a tantrum because you don't get your way.
Boycotting a store before trying to solve the problem isn't helpful. Hugh took the time to explain in detail how to handle the situation and solve the problem.
Hugh has also approached this from a different, and better stance: Instead of treating adults who act like children as children, try to get them to think as adults. I simply don't have respect for people who refuse to act responsibly, and as Hugh pointed out, it would serve better if I took a different approach. I wasn't throwing a tantrum. I was merely acting like you,Pointman. I figured acting like a bully is the only thing you understand.
See I made the boycott statement after reading Hugh's post. Therefore I did take into consideration that the other Pick-n-Saves did not treat customers the same way.
So therefore boycotting this particular store may have a positive effect, then again maybe not, who's to say, I am not the expert here.... You obviously are!
I am beginning to think you are working for the other side with all of the negativity that you breed.
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Pointman
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 04:45 pm |
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Gleason: The other side doesn't carry.
As I said, Hugh has a better approach. I'll do my best to adopt it.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 04:48 pm |
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Enough said.
With that in mind I will agree with you on one thing.
As these picnic are held, there should be raffles or whatever to raise money. This money should be put into a fund for defense or other purposes to support the cause and not the Wisconsin badger team. I am not trying to be harsh here and I do realize that the gentleman who organized the picnic in the La Crosse area has spent a lot of money out of pocket, therfore he can donate any proceeds to whom ever he chooses. I am just saying that in the future a defense fund would definately be an option in my mind.
Any thoughts anyone?
Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2009 04:54 pm by J.Gleason
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bigdaddy1
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 05:17 pm |
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I am attending an open carry picinic on Mem day, and I was thinking about some sort of raffle also. I dont know the legal side of it, but I remember reading about some guy that got busted by the IRS for holding a raffle without some sort of permission or documentation.
Better check with the legal dept first.
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comp45acp
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 10:42 pm |
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I just came back from another trip to the Watertown Pick N Save while packing. The Operations Manager ran the checkout line (the store was busy) I went to.
Saw the gun. Nothing said other than "paper or plastic" and a couple pleasantries.
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