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Mike
Super Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 01:58 pm |
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protias wrote: One way we could get around this issue of vehicle carry is if vehicles are personal property, and you can carry on your property, then having a loaded gun in your vehicle should be legal as well. I would assume a vehicle is personal property because it is registered to you, the owner.
Vehicles are already "personal property."
There is no general exception to the statutory concealed carry ban on "private property" or any type, nor the statutory encasement requirement in vehicles, boats, and aircraft.
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smithman
Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 14th, 2009 04:02 pm |
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protias wrote: One way we could get around this issue of vehicle carry is if vehicles are personal property, and you can carry on your property, then having a loaded gun in your vehicle should be legal as well. I would assume a vehicle is personal property because it is registered to you, the owner.
Mike is correct. Your car is personal property, but not private property. Driving your personal property (car) on a PUBLIC road does not make the bubble inside your car magically private property and therefore exempt from a whole number of restrictive laws.
If CC is legal on your private property, but it is not legal in a car, then either the statute is unconstitutional (yes, it should be, but it has held up in court tests) or your car is not private property. This is one clue.
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Mike
Super Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 12:50 pm |
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gbu28 wrote: I let my ACLU membership expire a few months ago after I read their position on the 2nd amendment-
http://www.aclu.org/crimjustice/gen/35904res20020304.html
That's the national postiion - try to get your state chapter to adopt diff bveiw - nevada aclu did so
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J.Gleason
Campaign Veteran
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:14 pm |
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ACLU....Against Civil Liberties Unit
Here is my inquiry:
Dear Fellow Americans and Wisconsinites,
As a Veteran of the U.S. Army, I was wondering what position the Wisconsin ACLU takes on the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans.
I would like to become a member of the ACLU however, I would not be able to support any organization which would not support my individual 2nd Amendment right.
I eagerly await your reply.
Sincerely,
James A. Gleason
15 Lehner St.
Chilton, WI. 53014
Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:27 pm by J.Gleason
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Mike
Super Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:50 pm |
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smithman wrote: protias wrote: One way we could get around this issue of vehicle carry is if vehicles are personal property, and you can carry on your property, then having a loaded gun in your vehicle should be legal as well. I would assume a vehicle is personal property because it is registered to you, the owner.
Mike is correct. Your car is personal property, but not private property.
The term "private property" is used in the statute in a manner that construes it to mjean "real property," i.e., land. The other forms of property are "personal property" and "intellectual property." "Private property" means usually real property which is not public, i.e., possessed by the government.
Fun, eh?
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protias
Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 04:00 pm |
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Mike wrote:
The term "private property" is used in the statute in a manner that construes it to mjean "real property," i.e., land. The other forms of property are "personal property" and "intellectual property." "Private property" means usually real property which is not public, i.e., possessed by the government.
Fun, eh?
Seems pretty @$$ backwards to me, then again, the liberal mind has never made sense to me.
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Mike
Super Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 04:09 pm |
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protias wrote: Mike wrote:
The term "private property" is used in the statute in a manner that construes it to mjean "real property," i.e., land. The other forms of property are "personal property" and "intellectual property." "Private property" means usually real property which is not public, i.e., possessed by the government.
Fun, eh?
Seems pretty @$$ backwards to me, then again, the liberal mind has never made sense to me.
Has nothing to do with liberalism, which i am one, classically that is, but is just about plain jane legal terms - public vs. private, real v. personal property, etc.
property like cars, dogs, etc., are "personal property." Land and improvements on land are "real property."
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