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Sajuuk
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 03:33 pm |
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He was arrested for not giving his name? Then he had to pay to get out of detention? Did they not get the memo? What was he actually charged with?
Count me and the wife in for the field trip.
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Shotgun
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 03:46 pm |
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J.Gleason wrote: Does anyone now doubt the power of a civil rights lawsuit?
Additionally, maybe some criminal charges should be demanded?
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Nutczak
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:00 pm |
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I will be unable to attend any rally or meeting on 09-12-2009 due to prior commitments (We are catering 2 weddings this weekend back to back)
I hope you guys get a good showing of support, and make some progress.
Any news on why he was approached by the poilce? did a neighbor call, did the police just drive by and take him? was he suspected of something else? was he out and about beofre being kidnapped by the racine JBT's? What started this chain of events??
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mja1000
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:00 pm |
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everyone needs to go here...
http://www.cityofracine.org/depts/police/
tell the Racine Police Department what you think of this situation.
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bnhcomputing
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:21 pm |
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These are the FACTS that we can share at this point:
LEO was in the area for a completely unrelated issue.
Once they noticed our member, sitting on his porch they took him.
LEO was not called because of any action on the part of our member, and our member violated no law.
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Nutczak
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:26 pm |
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bnhcomputing wrote:
These are the FACTS that we can share at this point:
LEO was in the area for a completely unrelated issue.
Once they noticed our member, sitting on his porch they took him.
LEO was not called because of any action on the part of our member, and our member violated no law.
That sounds good, it leaves no grey area at all and clearly shows the police acted outside of their authority.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:27 pm |
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I have sent an email and a copy of the new federal ruling for the chief to share with his officers.
here is the chiefs email:
kurt.wahlen@cityofracine.org
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 04:41 pm |
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Just trying to thinkof all of the charges for the officers here,
Trespassing
Illegal search and seizure
Theft of a fire arm
Kidnapping
Ransom
Misuse of authority
Police Misconduct
Profiling
I smell the green backs a coming!!!!!!
Why has this still not made the news?
Last edited on Thu Sep 10th, 2009 05:20 pm by J.Gleason
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Mike
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 05:18 pm |
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| Once we know the facts better, perhaps the Racine City council needs to hear from everybody.
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JimE
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 05:29 pm |
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| I'm going to have to refrain from forming an opinion on this till I get more info. I just can't help but think there's more to this story. I've love to hear the cops side of this.
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Sgt_Habz
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 05:38 pm |
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bnhcomputing wrote:
These are the FACTS that we can share at this point:
LEO was in the area for a completely unrelated issue.
Once they noticed our member, sitting on his porch they took him.
LEO was not called because of any action on the part of our member, and our member violated no law.
I'd love to be calling my local news and talk radio hosts, but without a source to cite for any of this material, this will be turned around as just a rumor. Now, I don't doubt bnhcomputing or parabellum, but I'm certainly not going up to bat for a story neither I nor my radio talk show host can verify. Can we PLEASE get some more information and a source to cite?
Further, if this turns out to be true and no other significant details have been left out, we can make a great case out of this. Wife & I can't make it this weekend, but I imagine this fight will be lasting longer than a few weeks 
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 05:39 pm |
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I already sent my complaint to the City Council members.
I take Para and Hubert for their word.
If they say it checks out then I believe them.
Last edited on Thu Sep 10th, 2009 05:56 pm by J.Gleason
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AaronS
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 06:58 pm |
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Long letter sent...
Man I just thought about it... I sure hope the cops are nice to his gun. It looked like it was brand new last time I saw it... Thing is worth about $1000.Last edited on Thu Sep 10th, 2009 07:03 pm by AaronS
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Parabellum
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 07:27 pm |
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JimE wrote: I'm going to have to refrain from forming an opinion on this till I get more info. I just can't help but think there's more to this story. I've love to hear the cops side of this.
The cops went out if their way to make sure the story would not be as accurate as it could have been. The voice recorder that was running during the encounter was rendered inoperable by the LEOs as it was taken away. Hopefully the recording is still intact and the truth will come out regardless of what the LEO have to say. If the recording is not there, the police destroyed evidence.
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Woodchuck
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 07:48 pm |
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bnhcomputing
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 08:24 pm |
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LEO only "recommends" charges, the DA actually files charges.
We should have more PUBLIC info as this makes the papers and TV stations.
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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 08:35 pm |
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To quote a 'high ranking' official....
The police behaved stupidly.
And this time it looks like a correct assessment.
Bet the judge ruling two days ago denying immunity to cops for
even less action than this will make them sleep well tonight.
But sounds a lot like poor Danbus, cops turn off recorder then
say we don't have all the facts to have an opinion.
At what point in the 'altercation' did they retrieve the voice recorder
for 'officer safety'?
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TFred
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 09:46 pm |
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A news link has shown up in Google News:
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/58583422.html
Racine Police: Open Carry Arrest May Have Been a Set-Up
By Dan O'Donnell
RACINE - The Racine Police Department believes a man arrested for obstructing officers might have been setting them up.
Officers received a call regarding shots fired and, when they responded, found the suspect with a holstered gun standing on his front porch, and asked him for identification.
"The officers wanted to know who he was and that he actually lived at the address where they found him," said Racine Police Sgt. Bernie Kupper. "We wanted to know that he did in fact live there and wasn't a suspect."
The man refused to provide identification, allegedly citing Attorney General JB Van Hollen's recent letter to Wisconsin's district attorneys promoting the state's open carry law.
"The suspect said he had a right to carry his gun and that the officers couldn't ask him for ID unless they arrested him," Kupper said.
Officers then arrested the man for obstructing them.
"When we ultimately arrested him, he had an open carry pamphlet in his pocket and a digital pocket recorder that an officer says he was attempting to turn on while we were talking with him," Kupper explained. "When you couple those things with the fact that we eventually determined that the shots fired call came from his address, we felt that we were possibly being set up."
An investigation into the incident is ongoing.
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gollbladder13
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 09:56 pm |
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Just saw that TMJ4 at 6pm tonight will be doing a segment on it. They said he tried to get arrested on purpose...
From the earlier posted article:
"When we ultimately arrested him, he had an open carry pamphlet in his pocket and a digital pocket recorder that an officer says he was attempting to turn on while we were talking with him," Kupper explained. "When you couple those things with the fact that we eventually determined that the shots fired call came from his address, we felt that we were possibly being set up."
If that's true, I worry this would be a step backwards for us rather than forward. Yes, the caller was within his rights after the police showed up, but a false 9-1-1 call is a serious matter, and could totally negate everything good that could have come out of this.
I thought there would be more to the story, and now I see it...
Here's hoping the news report is inaccurate, but this is why I wait until all details are sorted out before jumping on sides. I truely hope that he was not the caller for the shots fired call. Seems like he could get into more trouble than he bargained for otherwise...
Last edited on Thu Sep 10th, 2009 10:09 pm by gollbladder13
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AaronS
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 10:09 pm |
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bnhcomputing wrote: LEO only "recommends" charges, the DA actually files charges.
We should have more PUBLIC info as this makes the papers and TV stations.
My question on this is, what DA would even think about filing any charge against a person exercising a known right? I just do not understand the thinking. The laws are known, so what kind of trumped up charge could be filed? And this time it was on private property... I would love to get an idea of what the cops were/are thinking...
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