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dvnsyd
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 03:51 am |
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| I couldnt agree with you more! With my experience, the police were ready and willing to charge me with a felony and make me a felon over a transportation issue. It seemed to me they didnt care whos gun it was as long as it was off the street. And while in court today the judge pretty much made me feel as if I were a criminal for open carrying. And that it was a criminal act to open carry.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 05:34 am |
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Appeal, Appeal, Appeal!!!!
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 05:35 am |
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Doug Huffman wrote: http://www.bootsandsabers.com/images/uploads/AB605PH.doc from 2000 PPA hearings
Interesting, Walker was not present. Go figure.
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hugh jarmis
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 05:42 am |
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• Paul Bucher, WI District Attorneys Association
Gee... Thanks for nothing Paul. You f'in rino
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bnhcomputing
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 12:24 pm |
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Let's all get together http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum66/31345.html today. It looks like we have MUCH to discuss.
I realize many of you may have difficulty making this with such short notice, but NOW is the time for soliderity. NOW is when we MUST stand together. We are coming from 4+ hours away, hope to see you ALL there.
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S.E.WI
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Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 05:14 pm |
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A setup? The police do this all the time to catch those that violate the law. Who cares if we the people want to make sure the police are not oppressive and don't violate our rights.....yes, the police care.
Remember the arrest in West Allis? I was at a party and a West Allis police officer told me that the incident began a 17 million dollar lawsuit.
I hope Racine and the officers involved have their check books ready but please, don't settle out of court.
(You would think the attack on Mayor Barrett would show that there is never a cop around when you need them and 911 took way to long. Our legislators are placing our children at risk when we can't defend them....big mistake!)
Later, S.E.WI
 My mistake. I assumed that everyone could see that this was secondhand information. I only repeated what the man said and would like to thank those that took the time to check on it. It would have been nice to have the information like the Dixon Dozen had posted here. That case is in PA and sounds like it should go to trial in December.....this trial time frame is from a posting in the PA Forum.
I didn't see any reason for the officer to lie about the lawsuit, so I just repeated what I was told. I do hope it is true though and he does not settle out of court.
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pvtschultz
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 03:10 am |
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S.E.WI wrote: Remember the arrest in West Allis? I was at a party and a West Allis police officer told me that the incident began a 17 million dollar lawsuit.
Oh really?!?!? Brad ... lawsuit ... $17,000,000? I think that some proof be needed here. I mean, the guy has been pretty quiet lately, but there is no way that this could be covered up. Any out of court settlement with the City would be available via open records. West Allis PD should be put through the wringers though. They drew down on a guy planting an F'ing tree, IN HIS BACK YARD!.
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SD26
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 12:39 pm |
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pvtschultz wrote: S.E.WI wrote: Remember the arrest in West Allis? I was at a party and a West Allis police officer told me that the incident began a 17 million dollar lawsuit.
Oh really?!?!? Brad ... lawsuit ... $17,000,000? I think that some proof be needed here. I mean, the guy has been pretty quiet lately, but there is no way that this could be covered up. Any out of court settlement with the City would be available via open records. West Allis PD should be put through the wringers though. They drew down on a guy planting an F'ing tree, IN HIS BACK YARD!. I think if one rereads the original statement, it says, "began a 17 million dollar lawsuit." Says nothing about a final settlement. I have no information other than reading that original statement.
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AaronS
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 06:57 pm |
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SD26 wrote: pvtschultz wrote: S.E.WI wrote: Remember the arrest in West Allis? I was at a party and a West Allis police officer told me that the incident began a 17 million dollar lawsuit.
Oh really?!?!? Brad ... lawsuit ... $17,000,000? I think that some proof be needed here. I mean, the guy has been pretty quiet lately, but there is no way that this could be covered up. Any out of court settlement with the City would be available via open records. West Allis PD should be put through the wringers though. They drew down on a guy planting an F'ing tree, IN HIS BACK YARD!. I think if one rereads the original statement, it says, "began a 17 million dollar lawsuit." Says nothing about a final settlement. I have no information other than reading that original statement.
As far as reality goes, no such lawsuit has been filed against West Allis at this time...
Not for $17,000,000, or $7.00. I keep checking, but I have seen none as of now...
Have you?
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SD26
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 07:51 pm |
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AaronS wrote: SD26 wrote: pvtschultz wrote: S.E.WI wrote: Remember the arrest in West Allis? I was at a party and a West Allis police officer told me that the incident began a 17 million dollar lawsuit.
Oh really?!?!? Brad ... lawsuit ... $17,000,000? I think that some proof be needed here. I mean, the guy has been pretty quiet lately, but there is no way that this could be covered up. Any out of court settlement with the City would be available via open records. West Allis PD should be put through the wringers though. They drew down on a guy planting an F'ing tree, IN HIS BACK YARD!. I think if one rereads the original statement, it says, "began a 17 million dollar lawsuit." Says nothing about a final settlement. I have no information other than reading that original statement.
As far as reality goes, no such lawsuit has been filed against West Allis at this time...
Not for $17,000,000, or $7.00. I keep checking, but I have seen none as of now...
Have you?
I'm not checking, nor do I feel the need to worry about it.
Began does not imply that they have filed, hence, one would not be seen currently. Am I correct based on your checking for that information?
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AaronS
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 09:02 pm |
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| No. Nothing has been filed as of today that I can find. It would show up if it had.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 11:27 pm |
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Passive101 wrote: MARCI LAEHR TENUTA mtenuta@journaltimes.com | Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:10 pm | (12) Comments
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RACINE - The arrest of a Racine man openly carrying a gun on his front porch has sparked controversy that police believe may have been contrived.
Frank Hannan-Rock, 52, of 417 Luedtke Ave. was taken into custody Wednesday evening on a charge of obstructing. Racine police claim he wouldn't provide information to them during an active weapons violation investigation.
Reached by phone after being released from jail early Thursday, Hannan-Rock wouldn't comment. But friends and fellow supporters of open carry are outraged over his arrest.
Hubert Hoffman of Onalaksa called Hannan-Rock's arrest a persecution.
Hoffman, who made headlines as the organizer of an open-carry picnic in Onalaska earlier this year, met Hannan-Rock on an online forum at http://opencarry.org. He said he is angry that his friend was detained for eight hours and says he did nothing illegal.
"I don't understand how Frank ended up in jail," said Hoffman. "I'm angry about it. Police charged him with obstruction of justice because he refused to answer questions. You can not be charged with obstruction of justice by simply standing mute."
However, police are looking into whether the whole incident was a set-up by Hannan-Rock to test officers' reaction to him openly carrying a gun. They have determined the initial call to police about a weapons violation in the neighborhood came from his house.
"It appears to be a set-up, and we are checking it out," Police Chief Kurt Wahlen said.
"(Hannon-Rock) didn't get arrested for a weapons charge," Wahlen said. "We take weapons violations very seriously. We've suffered from a lot of gun violence in our community. If he had answered a few questions, this would have ended differently."
Police said officers were called to 405 Luedtke Ave. [NOT Frank's house.] at 6:30 p.m. Wednesday for a report of a man with a gun. An anonymous caller told dispatchers that a man was shooting at raccoons in his backyard and was walking out to the street to reload his gun. The caller said she was concerned because there were children playing outside in the neighborhood.
The caller provided a description and said she thought the offender lived in the upper unit of a home at 405 Luedtke Ave.
When officers arrived at that address, residents there said the man who lives in the upper flat had left. [OK, the ACTUAL SUSPECT is no longer there. They know this BEFORE they ever talked to Frank.]
While in the area, police saw a group of people gathered on a porch at 417 Luedtke Ave. One man matched the suspect's description and was standing next to Hannan-Rock, [Standing NEXT TO, as in NOT Frank] who was openly carrying a holstered gun on his side.
Officers said they began asking Hannan-Rock questions [Why? He didn't match the description, the police here CLEARLY stated "standing next to."] and said they were investigating a weapons-discharge complaint. He answered their questions about the type of gun he was carrying [he doesn't match the description, they already have information the suspect has LEFT, why are they asking Frank (who doesn't match the description) anything about HIS firearm?] but refused to give his name or any other information. [As is his RIGHT]
Police reports said the man told police that Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen told him he didn't have to answer their questions.
Police then handcuffed and arrested Hannan-Rock for obstructing. He was booked into the Racine County Jail as John Doe. [What's the charge? You cannot be charged for remaining mute.]
According to reports, police became suspicious about Hannan-Rock's motives when they were trying to talk to him, because he was fumbling with a digital voice recorder. [Those who carry, also carry recorders for EXACTLY THIS REASON, look at what they LEFT OUT]
When he was arrested, he refused to walk past a certain point, telling officers that he would not be arrested for carrying a weapon within 1,000 feet of a school or church. [Again, how many LEOS handcuff and put in the car individuals who are STILL ARMED? Looks to me like maybe they were trying to "set up" Frank]
After being taken into custody, Hannan-Rock was found in possession of the recorder and a pamphlet on open carry.
Hoffman said it is very common for those who openly carry firearms to also carry voice recorders. "I carry a voice recorder with me every time I carry," he said. "We shouldn't have to."
He said they carry the recorders for the same reason as they carry their guns: for protection.
Hoffman said he was called by Hannan-Rock's wife a few hours after the incident occurred. A story about the arrest was posted to the http://opencarry.org site and Wahlen said he has been getting e-mails from people all over the country about it.
"We have to make sure there is no danger to others when we're handling a call for service," said police spokesman Sgt. Bernie Kupper. "We don't just arrest people because they have a gun." [Except in this case. They NEVER talked to the guy next to Frank. As soon as they saw he was carrying, these officers made it ALL ABOUT THE GUN. Frank DIDN'T match the description of who they were looking for, so why the harassment? It is OBVIOUS to any logical thinking human that LEO made this ABOUT OC.]
Officers later determined Hannan-Rock was not the offender in the shots-fired call. No one had been arrested for that crime Thursday, but police are issuing a warrant recommendation for a man who lives at 405 Luedtke Ave. [So, if your neighbor commits a crime, you can expect to be jailed in Racine if you choose to remain silent.]
Reports said officers found blood on the sidewalk in front of that house and believe someone could have been shooting at raccoons. [Evidence in front of the OTHER house, and they arrest Frank, anybody see the pattern here? They made it about the gun!]
http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_56888e4c-9e4f-11de-8895-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story
I think there is a lot we don't know about this incident. I'm waiting for more facts to come out.
I think all the information is now out. These officers went on a power trip which is TYPICAL in Wisconsin. In addition, the police did not tell the press they CURSED at Frank. That is unprofessional conduct!
We need to turn up the heat. If we have any additional members or lurkers in Racine County you need to act NOW as you could be next. Every body who reads this needs to Email the chief, the mayor, the DA. Keep the heat on them. Call the talk radio programs, bring this up EVERY DAY and ask when did the residents of Racine surrender the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
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skamp
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 02:04 pm |
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| i was out of town this weekend and i cant believe what i come back to! this is complete BS and obviously these police officers think that the laws they are supposed to uphold only apply to those they allow. Frank: you have my support. sorry i couldnt make it saturday believe me if i had access to a pc while i was out and read this i would have gotten back sooner.
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Mugenlude
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 04:26 pm |
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I was also out of town all last week to come home and read this. =( Sorry to hear about this Frank... let me know if there is anything I can do.
Did they take your firearm? Did they return it?
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Woodchuck
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 07:34 pm |
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| As far as I know, they took his gun for no reason and are currently in possession of it for no reason.
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N6ATF
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Posted: Mon Sep 14th, 2009 07:48 pm |
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Woodchuck wrote: As far as I know, they took his gun for no reason and are currently in possession of it for no reason.
The reason is so he is not, or less, able to defend himself against criminal attack. Once again government exists for criminal safety.
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Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2009 05:10 pm |
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You are responding to a 'shots fired' call, and you don't ask someone on their
porch if they heard anything, and if so from which direction first?
That makes much more sense, even if you think he was the shooter
you would want to get incriminating statements.
If a leo approaches me and explains they are responding to a crime, I
will comply with id'ing myself. Lord help him if my later check into the matter
shows he obama'd. But if they get in my face for sitting there, or in my case
walking up to report a problem to them. I don't care what they threaten me with,
I don't give an inch.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2009 05:46 pm |
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Woodchuck wrote: As far as I know, they took his gun for no reason and are currently in possession of it for no reason. Exactly, they arrested him for obstruction , why are they holding his fire arm.
Sounds like theft to me.
I hope he takes this all the way and doesn't drop out like some of the others have.
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Woodchuck
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Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2009 05:50 pm |
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J.Gleason wrote:
Woodchuck wrote: As far as I know, they took his gun for no reason and are currently in possession of it for no reason. Exactly, they arrested him for obstruction , why are they holding his fire arm.
Sounds like theft to me.
I hope he takes this all the way and doesn't drop out like some of the others have.
Wonder if he's contacted the ATF about his stolen firearm?
From what I seen Saturday, he's got a great support group and has no intention in backing down.
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SD26
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Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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Woodchuck wrote:
From what I seen Saturday, he's got a great support group and has no intention in backing down.
Is there a link to a larger support group for him and his violation of individual rights?
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