| Author | Post |
|---|
bohdi
Regular Member
|
Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 01:08 pm |
|
| Anybody do a FOIA request, are there any other updates?
|
dvnsyd
Regular Member
| Joined: | Sun Jun 7th, 2009 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 9 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 06:52 am |
|
| Working on it already. Jesus got me and Frank together with John Monroe at my house. The info is being fed as we speak.
|
pvtschultz
Campaign Veteran
| Joined: | Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 |
| Location: | West Allis, WI |
| Posts: | 230 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun Sep 27th, 2009 06:02 pm |
|
| Great news. Keep up the honorable fight and when you can, and with what you can, keep us informed. There's nothing worse than a mind starving for information.
|
Interceptor_Knight
Regular Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 01:12 am |
|
| Now that the charges have been resolved/dismissed and the weapon returned is there a civil suit to follow?
|
bnhcomputing
Founder's Club Member
| Joined: | Thu Dec 13th, 2007 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 633 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 01:29 am |
|
Interceptor_Knight wrote: Now that the charges have been resolved/dismissed and the weapon returned is there a civil suit to follow?
I CANNOT speak for the victim, but in talking with him, that is unlikely.
Reasoning is, such a suit would NOT set any new precedent. The legal precedents have already been set, which is why the DA chose not to pursue it.
Given that no legal precedent would be set, the only purpose for a civil suit would be financial gain. That type of suit would be eaten up by the press, ("see, we told you he did it for the money", etc.), so to maintain the "moral high ground" for Open Carry, no suit is planned at this time.
|
McX
Regular Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 11:20 am |
|
| Going out on a limb here; But how 'bout the victim, the responding officers, and a ranking official of the Police Dept. all sit down, and talk under the premice of: How can we all work TOGETHER to keep an event like this from happening again?
|
J.Gleason
Campaign Veteran
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:02 pm |
|
bnhcomputing wrote: Interceptor_Knight wrote: Now that the charges have been resolved/dismissed and the weapon returned is there a civil suit to follow?
I CANNOT speak for the victim, but in talking with him, that is unlikely.
Reasoning is, such a suit would NOT set any new precedent. The legal precedents have already been set, which is why the DA chose not to pursue it.
Given that no legal precedent would be set, the only purpose for a civil suit would be financial gain. That type of suit would be eaten up by the press, ("see, we told you he did it for the money", etc.), so to maintain the "moral high ground" for Open Carry, no suit is planned at this time. I understand the reason for not pursuing this, however, sooner or later it needs to happen to get the tyrannical governments attention. Let's be honest, in this day and age all anyone understands is money and the loss there of.
|
AaronS
Regular Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:19 pm |
|
J.Gleason wrote: bnhcomputing wrote: Interceptor_Knight wrote: Now that the charges have been resolved/dismissed and the weapon returned is there a civil suit to follow?
I CANNOT speak for the victim, but in talking with him, that is unlikely.
Reasoning is, such a suit would NOT set any new precedent. The legal precedents have already been set, which is why the DA chose not to pursue it.
Given that no legal precedent would be set, the only purpose for a civil suit would be financial gain. That type of suit would be eaten up by the press, ("see, we told you he did it for the money", etc.), so to maintain the "moral high ground" for Open Carry, no suit is planned at this time. I understand the reason for not pursuing this, however, sooner or later it needs to happen to get the tyrannical governments attention. Let's be honest, in this day and age all anyone understands is money and the loss there of.
I have to agree. The only way to stop the cops from this kind of stuff is to take a chunk of cash from them (the police union will never let the cops get fired). I do not like this at all, but I do not see it ending any other way.
|
Master Doug Huffman
Regular Member
|
Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 09:03 pm |
|
AaronS wrote: (the police union will never let the cops get fired). I do not like this at all, but I do not see it ending any other way. Will any union brother/member/officer work towards the firing of another?
|
McX
Regular Member
|
Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:31 pm |
|
| Again, at the risk of being heckled out, or kicked out I plead: How about we get a dialouge going with the Police officials? Maybe get a Liason Officer to act as a go between, to smooth out the rough road between the OC-er and the Police? Maybe ask the Police to aid us? Give us training, resources, to help them? Change the Police view of OC from "there's an OC-er- a threat" to "there's an OC-er- my ally". Put away the tape recorders, and pick up the video recorders, not to point in a Cop's face, but to record criminal activity, and shady individuals, that can be provided as a video record to aid the Police? The OC-er is a concerned, educated citizen, who often moves about society- and witnesses things, events, places, and people that if the information is provided to Police can help them in doing their jobs. Maybe even get a pipeline going to the city attorney's office. Not so much for "on the record" stuff, but for advice between allies on how to handle things, and situations, and how to keep the OC-er from having to "officially interact" with the courts, and Prosecutors as an adversary, building instead toward " an OC-er is a friend of Law Enforcement, The Courts, and all other civil authorities". Time for me to shut the hell up.
|
Master Doug Huffman
Regular Member
|
Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:36 pm |
|
There is a dialogue. Some want to lead it in directions and ways that others don't.
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$
|
SD26
Regular Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 24th, 2009 |
| Location: | Wisconsin USA |
| Posts: | 32 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:40 pm |
|
Personally, I'm disappointed there isn't a lawsuit.
There are real principles at risk here. No, it isn't about the money. Make it a small amount.
Dialog? Individual police officers had their dialog on the front porch. There are fundamental issues of law enforcement that are being trampled, specifically, individual rights.
If one wants dialog, it should be public record in a court where a decision will stand.
Doug, agreed.
Last edited on Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:41 pm by SD26
|
McX
Regular Member
|
Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:07 pm |
|
| I'm just suggesting is all. Rather than being seen as "nomads", we could help project the positive aspects of "our image". I know damn well there isn't a member on here that wouldn't rush to help a Police Officer in need of help, whether it be helping them to change a flat tire, or standing with them, until more of their forces arrive when they are alone and cornered in a situation. I have read in the forums here, of Officers commenting to OC-ers, on Halloween night, upon coming across them: I wish there were more of you out tonight, it would make my job easier. PRomoting the positive image!
|
J.Gleason
Campaign Veteran
|
Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:14 pm |
|
McX wrote: Again, at the risk of being heckled out, or kicked out I plead: How about we get a dialouge going with the Police officials? Maybe get a Liason Officer to act as a go between, to smooth out the rough road between the OC-er and the Police? Maybe ask the Police to aid us? Give us training, resources, to help them? Change the Police view of OC from "there's an OC-er- a threat" to "there's an OC-er- my ally". Put away the tape recorders, and pick up the video recorders, not to point in a Cop's face, but to record criminal activity, and shady individuals, that can be provided as a video record to aid the Police? The OC-er is a concerned, educated citizen, who often moves about society- and witnesses things, events, places, and people that if the information is provided to Police can help them in doing their jobs. Maybe even get a pipeline going to the city attorney's office. Not so much for "on the record" stuff, but for advice between allies on how to handle things, and situations, and how to keep the OC-er from having to "officially interact" with the courts, and Prosecutors as an adversary, building instead toward " an OC-er is a friend of Law Enforcement, The Courts, and all other civil authorities". Time for me to shut the hell up. Hmm, this kind of sounds like the Gestapo or the Security Forces in Iran.
No offense MX, but I personally have no intention of doing the LEO's work for them. That is what they get paid for. If something was to go horribly wrong guess who the blame would fall on.
I personally do not carry to make people believe I work with or to try to fit in with LEO.
Would I help if I seen some LEO getting his ass handed to him while attempting to apprehend an individual I knew to be a serious criminal. Yes.
Would I help in just any situation. I am thinking not. What if the guys who is beating the cops a55 has been continuously harassed by this officer. Or maybe his family has been harassed. Things like this do happen and I surely wouldn't want to take part in it.
Sure enough if law abiding armed citizens were to step up and help out the police, some form of corruption would come out of it and more then likely on the LEO side of things.
Just an example, say the cops stop some guy for a traffic violation and this guy just so happens to be someone the LEO doesn't like. The LEO wants to search the guys vehicle and the guy refuses the search. Soon another LEO shows up and they decide to whoop this guys butt and teach him a lesson. You just happen to be walking by on one of your OC walks and witness the whole incident. Both LEO's recognize you as a friendly OCer and ask you to go along with their story........see what I mean?
I am much more comfortable just exercising my rights and protecting myself and my family and letting the LEO's write their own drama.
|
SD26
Regular Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 24th, 2009 |
| Location: | Wisconsin USA |
| Posts: | 32 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:28 pm |
|
McX wrote: I'm just suggesting is all. Rather than being seen as "nomads", we could help project the positive aspects of "our image". Being seen as a "nomad" not a rational idea. Just meet that with issues of rights of individuals and the Constitution. Others are either trying to understand or will refuse to be rational. Leave it at that.
|
McX
Regular Member
|
Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 11:55 pm |
|
| Agreed guys.
|
McX
Regular Member
|
Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 12:06 am |
|
| O.K. How about this. We've got our Stories of Self Defense category, right at the top of the forum listing page. Independant of any state sub-forum. How about this: A category of Crimes Prevented; Crimes prevented by an Open Carrier interloping, or being present in a place or situation. We could show the civil authorities the value of having O.C.-ers around. I've been poking around the forum, and have enjoyed reading of these stories, and situations. Could be a shining star of the movement. Something that was thrust upon an Open Carrier, AND NOTHING HAPPENED............just 'cause he was there.
|
McX
Regular Member
|
Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 12:10 am |
|
| Read on one forum site here Where during Trick Or Treat, some scumbags thought they were going to get GrandMa's bigscreen TV...............until the Open Carrier came around the corner. Saved a Policeman alot of paperwork even at the least, and most dehumanizing. ANd the end, and morale of the story was: NOTHING HAPPENED!
|
SD26
Regular Member
| Joined: | Mon Aug 24th, 2009 |
| Location: | Wisconsin USA |
| Posts: | 32 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 03:06 pm |
|
McX wrote: We could show the civil authorities the value of having O.C.-ers around. I've been poking around the forum, and have enjoyed reading of these stories, and situations. Could be a shining star of the movement. Something that was thrust upon an Open Carrier, AND NOTHING HAPPENED............just 'cause he was there. Well, do "civil authorities" want citizens to have their rights? Or does the buracracy want more power and money?
I would assert that government moves forward to continually offer more "services", mandetory service with forced payment for their continued funding and expansion. OCers do not follow from their program of monopolized "protection".
Read about the Cloward-Piven Strategy for an understanding of how government works today...
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967
|
McX
Regular Member
|
Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 03:17 pm |
|
| You got me there SD. Heard this many years ago: What's the difference between Democracy, and Communism? One more law.
|
Current time is 12:34 am | Page:   ... 2 3 4 5 6 7 8   |
|
