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bnhcomputing
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 07:20 pm |
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Both! Send it to EVERY and ANY body who will listen. Tell then this IS what needs to happen.
P.S, probably better if we don't call it "Hubert's"
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 09:56 pm |
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Yeah maybe we should call it Murphy's..get it Murphy's Law? 
I am sending it to every state rep and every senator and the NRA guy
Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 09:57 pm by J.Gleason
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:24 pm |
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Question, before I send this out.
1. Any adult, or emancipated minor may posess a firearm and/or CC permit. Said individuals do not have a duty to retreat anywhere they may lawfully be.
2. No landlord may post or restrict.
Don't these two kind of say the same thing?
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bnhcomputing
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:37 pm |
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J.Gleason wrote: Question, before I send this out.
1. Any adult, or emancipated minor may possess a firearm and/or CC permit. Said individuals do not have a duty to retreat anywhere they may lawfully be.
2. No landlord may post or restrict.
Don't these two kind of say the same thing?
No, VERY DIFFERENT.
#1 would allow any adult who can legally possess, or an emancipated minor (16Yr-old but declared an adult by the court) to conceal or open carry. (They no longer have legal parent/guardian) as well as incorporate the castle doctrine (no duty to retreat).
#2 prevents the Malls from posting, individual stores can, but NOT the Malls, they are the land lord.
Very different things, and both equally important.
I might even change #1 to "PURCHASE and POSSESS/CARRY firearms and ammunition."
Please not spelling correction
Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:38 pm by bnhcomputing
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:39 pm |
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Ok and how about adding #11 The state will issue with the permit a manual which will explain the laws regarding fire arms, self defense and reciprocity to all permittee's.
Yes? No?
1. Any adult, or emancipated minor who may legally do so, may PURCHASE and POSSESS/CARRY firearms and ammunition and/or CC permit. Said individuals do not have a duty to retreat anywhere they may lawfully be.
Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:47 pm by J.Gleason
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Master Doug Huffman
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:57 pm |
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Who is gonna pay for the manual and how will the price be set.
Hypothetically, "Because of the limited volume of sales and the specialized material, the Wisconsin Gun Manual will cost each applicant $100."
I can see reciprocity/recognition being queered by emancipated-minors carrying.
Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:58 pm by Master Doug Huffman
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:58 pm |
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This is what the email looks like, keep in mind I am addressing Rep. Ott, Senator Lasee and Jordan Austin of the NRA but I am cc'ing this to every state senator and representative in the state.
Dear Representative Ott, Senator Lasee and NRA Liaison Jordan Austin,
As a member of several Wisconsin Gun Rights Organizations, I have in the past few weeks researched the organizations and spoke with numerous amounts of individual gun owners through out the state.
In working together with key members of these organizations as well as individuals, we have outlined the criteria for a Fire Arms Carry Bill which would be acceptable to the Gun Owners through out the state.
1. Any adult, who may legally do so, may PURCHASE and POSSESS/CARRY firearms and ammunition and/or a concealed carry authorization card. Said individuals do not have a duty to retreat anywhere they may lawfully be.
2. No landlord may post or restrict.
3. A Fire Arms Carry permitting system, for reciprocity with the other states. No permit required in Wisconsin.
4. Individuals shall obtain a reciprocity concealed Carry permit via application, from the SAME FFL Dealers where legal fire arms are purchased, to be received within 4 to 5 days of the date of application. An NCIC background check is sufficient. If an individual can legally purchase the firearm, then the individual shall get the permit. WE would accept a small processing fee payable to the state for printing/mailing the reciprocity permit. This same system shall be used for individuals already legally possessing a legal fire arm. After an additional NCIC background check a concealed carry authorization card shall be issued within 4 to 5 days of the application date.
5. Voluntary inclusion on a "law enforcement" list.
6. If any individual has a defensive fire arm use and is found not criminally liable by court order or investigation, they are granted immunity from civil prosecution.
7. The penalty for violating a Fire Arms holders rights (unlawful posting, unlawful detainment for example) is a $5,000 fine per holder per occurrence. This applies to ALL individuals including LEO who are individually responsible for said forfeiture.
8. If you lose your ability to legally possess a firearm, then you lose the concealed carry authorization card. This is also the ONLY way to lose the reciprocity permit.
9. The issuing authority is not liable for the acts of reciprocity permit or concealed carry authorization card holders.
10. No mandatory or mandated training.
11. The state shall issue with the concealed carry authorization card and reciprocity permit, a manual which shall explain the state laws and statutes regarding fire arms, self defense and reciprocity to all card holders and permit-tee's.
After speaking to many people at TEA Parties and Events as well as through the organizations here in Wisconsin, this is a combined criteria of what the gun owners of Wisconsin believe are fair criteria for a Fire Arms Carry Bill.
Considering Vermont and Alaska have unrestricted CCW systems and have virtually had no issues with those systems, there is no reason what so ever that Wisconsin can not model a CCW system after either of those two states, resulting in a no compromise CCW/OCW non permitted system. Permits would only be necessary for reciprocity purposes only and can be issued after an NCIC background check anywhere that fire arms can be purchased.
It is my understanding that the members of these organizations are not willing to compromise OCW for CCW in any way.
A law abiding citizen can lawfully open carry a fire arm without mandatory or mandated training. There is nothing of significant difference between carrying openly or carrying concealed that would warrant training in order for an individual to exercise their Rights under the U.S. or the Wisconsin Constitutions.
As you are aware there is a strong movement in Wisconsin at this time for Gun Rights. With elections around the corner in 2010 many will vote with this issue in mind. Your support in helping this Fire Arms Carry Bill become Law will be greatly appreciated and acknowledged at election time.
We eagerly await your reply,
Sincerely,
James A. Gleason
Let me know what you think. I will send this out tonight.
ETA: this is the letter that was sent out.
Last edited on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 06:16 pm by J.Gleason
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Master Doug Huffman
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:13 pm |
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Lammie
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:44 pm |
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| I wish some of you would quit refering to this proposal as the CCW Bill and call it as it should be, The Firearm Carry Bill. Also the word "permit" is bothersome. Permit means permission. We don't need legislative permission to carry firearms. In my estimation a better choice of words would be "concealed carry authorization card", or "concealed carry validation card". The very word "permit" conotates permission, restrictions and cost. If politics remains true to form it will likely come packaged with all three.
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davegran
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:59 pm |
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J.Gleason wrote: ....
8. If you lose your ability to legally possess a firearm, then you lose the permit. This is the ONLY way to lose the permit.
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Let me know what you think. I will send this out tonight.
It sounds really good! I especially like, "Your support in helping this Bill become Law will be greatly appreciated and acknowledged at election time."
Thanks,
Dave
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 12:37 am |
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Ok I edited the letter above, let me know what you think. Again I will send this out tonight if possible.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:06 am |
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OK Sent.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:34 am |
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Here is the email I received almost immediately from Jordan Austin from the NRA:
From: jaustin@nrahq.org
To: j.gleason@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:30:00 -0500
Subject: RE: Fire Arms Carry Bill
James, you’re really not helping the cause. We talked about this and the emails to the entire statehouse.
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Master Doug Huffman
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:44 am |
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J.Gleason wrote: We talked about this and the emails to the entire statehouse. Barbara Streisand.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:51 am |
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Here is my response,
Jordan,
We have been working on this issue for months, it is in the last few weeks that we have compiled this outline through the numerous Gun Owner and Fire Arms organizations through out the state. How is this not helping?
It would take you and these state representatives and senators months to do all of the talking and listening that we have done here.
Did you take the time to read this email? This is a reasonable outline. You told me in your last email that you have compiled nothing as of yet in essence of an outline for this Bill.
These legislators need to know what the attitude is out here. If they do not want to listen to the constituents of this state, then the outcome at election time will be their own doings.
These legislators need to know how their constituents feel about this issue. I was asked by this group of people to send this email in an effort to avoid having these legislators bombarded by thousands of emails. This way they only get one.
Having you run interference for these legislators is nothing more than a ploy for them to ignore the wishes and concerns of the people of this state.
I am well aware of what the NRA stands. I have no issue with the NRA cause. However, does that mean that only the NRA should be involved when it comes to such issues?
I still have only received 1 response since my first email. That was Senator Lasee, who then directed me to you. So the NRA speaks for the entire Wisconsin legislature?
If this is the attitude in Madison, there will be a large amount of new faces there after election time.
Sincerely,
James Gleason
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:53 am |
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It is time for everyone to step up with the emails.
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J.Gleason
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:57 am |
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Master Doug Huffman wrote: J.Gleason wrote: We talked about this and the emails to the entire statehouse. Barbara Streisand.
You lost me on that one.
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Master Doug Huffman
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 02:04 am |
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J.Gleason wrote: Master Doug Huffman wrote: J.Gleason wrote: We talked about this and the emails to the entire statehouse. Barbara Streisand. You lost me on that one. An euphemism for male bovine feces.
Or is it a disphemism? I suppose that depends on which one finds worse, MBF or BS.
If he and the benighted interrupter spoke of this to the entire statehouse then the extraordinary joint session would'a made the news. They may have had a 'joint' session but in private.
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Interceptor_Knight
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 02:26 am |
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J.Gleason wrote: It is time for everyone to step up with the emails.
Polite respectable E-mails.....
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Lammie
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 01:10 pm |
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| Good one Doug. Hope there wasn't too much smoke at the "joint" session. By the way welcome aboard.
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